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On February 27 2008 12:08 CDRdude wrote: Oh! I get it now! What Tracil is saying is that to miss the mark is the mafia that keeps missing the mark with his poisonous solutions. It all makes sense now, how couldn't I have seen it earlier? It seems that there is no record of him voting at all though, so we can't base anything off of what he said. Also because of that, we don't know if he's inactive. But now that I think about it, that clue HAS to point towards to miss the mark I am changing my vote away from Romance_us to to miss the mark ==edit== to miss the mark just posted above me, so he is clearly not inactive. Then why hasn't he voted at all? that is a damn good guess. One of the closest next to Romance_us/Valentine. I think the lack of voting is a what the mafia is trying to do, lay low so they aren't targetted by suspicion, while killing at night. I vote To Miss The Mark Hopefully we won't miss our mark this time. | ||
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Live2Win
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VOTE FOR TMTM PPL I HAVE A GOOD FEELING ABOUT THIS ONE! *if we "miss our mark" again I'll just have to jump in the river | ||
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Now Alventine's information is extremely useful. 5/9 are pretty good odds. Looking at Alventine's clues, I'd say the strongest suspect imDerek and Falcynn. I especially like the Falcynn one. When I read the Day 2 murder with the sleeping bag, it nagged me for awhile what it meant. But the idea of a "worm" being "preyed on" by a "bird" named mafia seems to fit in really nicely. I'd say our next target should be either Falcynn or imDerek. | ||
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.... cuz I protected Alventine last night. | ||
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I made a huge fucking mistake. I got a PM from Chuiu saying he didn't get any PM's from me. I was like wtf so I checked my sent messages and it turns out I PM'd Tracil of my Alventine protection instead of Chuiu. FUCKING SHIT Alventine might have been protected if I didn't make that mistake. I don't know how I ended up doing that ffs. Well this is it. My mistake probably cost us our "leader" detective and I deserve to get lynched for that. My only question is why didn't Tracil PM me back saying I made a mistake, or atleast post the PM publically which is what he said he'd do everytime someone PM'd him. If he just let me know I PM'd him I would have caught my mistake and PM'd Chuiu right away. | ||
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On March 01 2008 02:22 Falcynn wrote: Seriously, this is why we shouldn't have lynched Fakesteve. Previously I wanted a double lynch to get L2W and Vharox, but after L2W's latest comment I'm pretty much positive that either him or Tracil are mafia... Edit: wait, but how the hell do you "accidentaly" pm Tracil? I mean you either had to type his name in the "To" box, or click the PM button next to his name. and considering that Chuiu's the first poster it'd seem to make more sense to just go to the first page and click the PM button there.... seriously...wtf? I don't think Tracil is mafia, nor myself (obvioiusly)... I don't have any good reasons to suspect so, atleast. My guess as to why Tracil didn't PM me back is because he didn't think it was a mistake, but some kind of "trick" I was trying to use on him, so he was waiting and building up a case against me and was waiting to posting the PM until he had a solid case. | ||
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On March 01 2008 02:56 Fen wrote: Ok, assuming Live2Win is mafia, lets look at the game. - A reoccurring theme is that a mafia with a syringe is injecting people with a substance that seems like it is supposed to increase strength. It fits the description of a stim very well and the best fit is Live2Win's Sig. - He gets in trouble and is about to be townie lynched. He looks at the list, realises that there are 4 paramedic positions still alive. Chances are, one is not playing and he can assume that role. His move pays off. - After announcing to everyone that he is a paramedic, he is not attacked by the mafia. You would assume the mafia would want to take paramedics down as their power becomes greater as the townie numbers decrease. - After becoming the medic that is supposed to watch over the townies most valuble asset, he "accidently" sends the PM to the wrong person and the detective dies. This info is pretty solid against you Live2Win. I'm interested to hear your counterargument. EDIT: only to make it more readable Recurring theme - I can understand how that can lead to me. I was hoping the suspicion would die down when TMTM died, but apparently he wasn't the one the clues were pointing to. As soon as I saw Day 5's clues, I knew people would mention me once again. Pretending to be Paramedic - Far too risky. Pretending to assume a position means you WILL be uncovered eventually. It puts a timeline on your life. If I was mafia, my goal would be to stay alive until the end. I wouldn't assume a role unless I knew I could live it out. Of course, both cases have no proof to back them up. - Not attacked by mafia - I'm actually baffled by this myself. I figured by night 2 I was going to be a gonner. My only guess is that another medic protected me. If that's the case, I'm screwed unless that person reveals himself. If no one protected me... then perhaps the mafia knew I would get lynched eventually, succesfully making the town waste a lynch on me. - Accident - This one should be easy to defend. What good do I get out from making up this "accident?" If I was mafia, pretending to be medic, why would I even send out a PM to anyone? PMing Chuiu would do no good, and sending a "fake PM" and then posting it would only make me look suspicious. What motive do I have to intentially bring the suspicion back to me? If I was mafia being a paramedic, all I have to do is say I'm protecting someone and pretend to do so. But to intentionally do things that would bring suspicion to myself? Does that make sense? | ||
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We have 11 mafias and 28 townies dead. The vote count per night has gone down to 5. The mafia don't need to kill us all off, they just need to outnumber us, which means they have about 4 or 5 nights to do so. However if we get incredibly good at hitting our targets, while medics successfully protect their targets (unlike my dumbass) and vigilants pull at least 1 hit, we are likely to win this game. The next two day/night cycle plays a CRUICIAL role in this. Right now we HAVE to get a mafia kill. It will only bring the count down to 10 mafias, which is still 5 hits per night, but if we get a vigilante or another lynch successfully we will get down to 9 mafias by day 6, which means 4 hits and that'll be good for us. So this brings back to me. Again, I ask you all this question. WHY WOULD I DO THIS TO MYSELF IF I WAS MAFIA? I can't stress this fact enough. I have NOTHING TO GAIN by pulling this stunt. This is a lose-lose situation for me, no matter what I do. I realize as soon as I made this mistake I was in a horrible position. But I knew unless I came clean with it now, the situation was going to get worst if Tracil pointed it out instead. Please, someone explain, if I was mafia, what my intentions would be by pulling this stunt. | ||
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On March 01 2008 06:49 Empyrean wrote: I'm afraid that I'm going to have to vote for Live2Win. Why? I'm actually not basing this on the "clues", as as I've stated before, I'm never going to rely on the clues. They've gotten way too many of us killed. In fact, the only clue which actually led to a mafia death was the blatantly obvious one for to miss the mark. However, I'm going to go with the fact that he publically stated that he was a Paramedic and was expecting to die. However, he still isn't dead. And, coincidentally, NO ONE HAS RECEIVED PARAMEDIC PROTECTION. I would believe him if he publically announced who he was going to protect, but there has been no such announcement. And what do we get? An "accidental" death of our detective. Way to go. Of course, it is entirely possible that the mafia just didn't kill him so we suspect him. ...but I don't think that's very likely at all. I vote for Live2Win That's not true. I protected Alventine the first night. Before he came out and said he was a detective, (the 3rd night) he PM'd me and ask for parametic protection. That night I protected him, because this was the night I told you all I'd protect anyone who asked for it. Night 4 I was going to protect him again, when I made this really fucked up mistake. You see in Alventine's "I'm a detective" post that this was true. "So, that is what i have done the last 3 day/nights. I asked Live2Win to protect me tonight, but nobody targeted me (as i did not receive a pm if he protected me successfully, so im assuming i was not targeted) I am going to use my day/night 4 role later to determine more information, but we need to rule out people that we know are townies." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66251¤tpage=113#2254 I realize this doesn't prove my innocence, as I could have been pretending to protect Alventine the 3rd night and then had the mafia kill him on the 4th night (assuming I am mafia).... but why would I announce that I DID NOT protect him that night? Why would I dig my own grave? | ||
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On March 01 2008 10:08 Unforgiven_ve wrote: im 100% sure L2W or Tracil are mafia. my vote goes to Live2WIn I don't see how you can be 100% sure either of us are mafia. I obviously know I'm not mafia, but I don't suspect Tracil to being mafia. Guys, if I do get lynched tonight, PLEASE DO NOT START LYNCHING TRACIL WITHOUT GOOD REASON. THAT IS WHAT THE MAFIA WANTS. Unforgiven, I've been suspicious of you for awhile now. Explain the reason why you are 100% sure one of us are mafia. Because to me this sounds like a mafia trying to ensure the town lynching two townies over two days, giving the mafia a HUGE advantage. | ||
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On March 01 2008 11:06 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: Live2Win is Mafia! i know it because the letters in his name are red [/sarcasm] But I was a blue letter when the game started! This means I am the paramedic I announced myself to be! | ||
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On March 01 2008 11:37 Live2Win wrote: I don't see how you can be 100% sure either of us are mafia. I obviously know I'm not mafia, but I don't suspect Tracil to being mafia. Guys, if I do get lynched tonight, PLEASE DO NOT START LYNCHING TRACIL WITHOUT GOOD REASON. THAT IS WHAT THE MAFIA WANTS. Unforgiven, I've been suspicious of you for awhile now. Explain the reason why you are 100% sure one of us are mafia. Because to me this sounds like a mafia trying to ensure the town lynching two townies over two days, giving the mafia a HUGE advantage. this plus the reasons stated by others, I vote to lynch unforgiven_ve | ||
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If one of our vigilantes get a kill tonight the vote count will go down to 4! That will be pretty freaking amazing. | ||
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On March 03 2008 02:02 Empyrean wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm only posting this because I'm almost positive I'm going to be killed this night. I'd request for Live2Win to protect me tonight publicly. If he is a paramedic, then I'll be safe this night and we'll all know he is actually a paramedic. nemY is still voting for NotSorry. I have no clue why. He also posted, somewhat jokingly, that Unforgiven_ve shouldn't have been a mafia member. I have a few doubts as to what he may be. He seems to really like accusing other people on the stupidest of clues. Keep in mind, all the clues we've used so far have been blatant. To miss the mark's name was basically dropped inside a clue, as well as unforgiven's "You won't be forgiven". All of his wild accusations basically just cause townies to go against each other, which is EXACTLY WHAT THE MAFIA WANT. It's pretty obvious that the "You won't be forgiven" clue doesn't point to NotSorry, as it was directed at unforgiven. I don't really suspect NotSorry at the moment. So why would nemY still vote for someone who's pretty much confirmed not to be a mafioso? Now, of the fifteen people who voted for Unforgiven, keep in mind that it is entirely possible that some mafia members would vote for him in order to cast aside suspicion. Once they saw that Unforgiven was basically destined to be lynched, they quickly voted for him. Thus, I have some suspicion about some of the people who voted at the last minute or changed their vote to Unforgiven. Maybe after the fifth or so vote? In case anyone tries to use this against me, keep in mind that I was one of the first people to vote for Unforgiven. I've always held a sneaking suspicion of Falcynn, though it's not based on really anything. Most of it is from the clue that deals with "prey", though I admit it's a pretty bad clue. He's not really on my watch list at the moment, though, as he has a pretty consistent voting record for the townies. Fen has suddenly become very active recently, which I think is because of the townies actually making a comeback. He probably gave up earlier and just decided to come back. I don't really suspect him at all, but anything's possible. HotZhot we know is an elder. Live2Win, I'm hoping is a paramedic. I'm hoping that my public request for protection'll go answered tonight. If I don't die, then I'm just pretty much sure that Live2Win is a medic. This is good, since an active paramedic is certainly a great boon for our town. Has HotZhot confirmed his position yet? I recently sent HotZhot a PM with my mafia role in it, but he hasn't replied. If there were a detective alive, I'd ask him to verify my role :/ For paramedic strategy, I think we should have one paramedic protecting HotZhot at all times. So for the other paramedics besides Live2Win, it would be wise to protect the only confirmed "special" townie we have. Finally, I suspect zdd, if only for the clue about the pale hand. He's been countering his accusations, though, and seems like a concerned member of the town. He's second on my watch list. Summary: my suspicions = nemY and zdd. If anyone has the same thoughts, please post them. If anyone has contrary opinions, please post them too. It's best for the town's interest to stir up debate, as mafia members'll probably reveal themselves. EDIT: Fixed something minor. Check the timestamps to ensure that I didn't change my post in response to someone else's. I already sent in my PM to protect HotZhot I could change it, but maybe one of the other two medics could protect you? | ||
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After a vicious hydra vs speedzeal battle (and a sneaky dt with like 10+ drone kills) Live2Win emerged victor with macro that makes JaeDong cringe (lol w/e). Beaten, nemY reveals himself to be townie. Now the question is, was nemY man enough to keep his word, or did the scum inside him strip him of his honor? Only time will tell. Anyways I think we should push back nemY for now, and try to get others. If he flips scum then I'll ban him for lying to me! | ||
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