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"-Doesn’t mention last option-is mafiaso?" I guess you could think that. My defense is that I just didn't consider that an option. But that's just saying "I'm not mafia", which is something I can't prove until I'm dead. "-for an intelligent player this should have been obvious in the clues." If I was mafia I wouldn't have made this mistake at all. Actually I'm still puzzled at this question. There were 14 mafias, and 7 kills per night. Only 6 died. What if all 14 mafias voted someone different? Who dies then? Or what if 6 were voted by 2 mafias, and the other 2 mafias each voted somone separate, making it a total of 8 individuals (6 with two votes, 2 with 1 vote).... which one of the two would die? And thus this leads me to think, how do you know how many mafia votes a certain victim got? "-Stim pack? Say yes to stims?" This could point to me, I admit... although it can point to others. I'll have to do some digging to clear my name. T_T "Games of life…they maybe play to win? Live2win?" I think this is over-reaching. It's a vague clue that doesn't exactly point in a direction. Like House likes to say, "You see it because you're looking for it". Also, in our conversation, I made it clear that "Both could not be innocent". I also said it is highly unlikely that both were mafia, since it guarantees atleast one of them to be dead. So my conclusion was: If one of them is mafia, then the other is innocent. I wasn't convinced that "ShaLLoW[baY] was innocent".... rather, I was convinced that Dr.Dragoon was guilty. Tracil was convinced as well, and a few others were who I did not think were suspicious. As soon as Dr.Dragoon was found to be innocent, it was obvious that ShaLLoW[baY] was mafia. You might wonder why I didn't pounce on it right away then, but I was away this weekend and didn't ahve much time to spend on TLnet.... the little time I had on here I spent on looking up GSI results and Survivor/OSC results. (A poor defense I know, but it's the truth). To proove that I was not defending ShaLLoW[baY], but rather accusing Dr.Dragoon, here's a quote I said way back regarding Day 1 clues. On February 12 2008 08:38 Live2Win wrote: low blow = you gotta be shallow to make a low-blow. :p A bit stretched, just a guess. Here's my semi-accusation of Shallow[bay]. I dismissed this clue and went after Dr.Dragoon rather than Shallow[bay], simply because clues brought on by real reactions are much more reliable than clues created to be found. Lastly, about my position on Tracil. I tried to make this clear when I first posted about him, but I knew it wasn't clear enough. I was never convinced that Tracil was mafia, or never against him exactly. I was simply cautious of him. Here's a reply I posted in regarding to Tracil.... page 18, post 351 "I am not trying to expose you. I simply saw that the community was reacting very positively to your post, and wanted to simply say "hey, slow down a moment... you could be heading straight for a trap". I am very tempted to trust you as well, but the fact remains true that you know what you're doing. It's only been day 1, the evidence is far too short to make any accusations on my part to catagorize you as mafia or townie. I am simply being cautious, and voicing my opinion. " At this point I am still cautious of Tracil, but I'm also less guarded towards him. | ||
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That was created at the beginning of the game.... on Day 1 and changed on the early parts of Day 2. Half of those on my list were directed BASED on the fact that Dr.Dragoon was guilty. Since it turns out he's not, the list needs to be changed. Can't really remember which ones were based on that theory, so I have to look back a bit (FakeSteve is there for another reason). I can tell you caller, that the reason you were high up there is because you were one of the first to come to Dr.Dragoon's aid... and without much proof. It was early in the game, people were posting lightly without thinking of the concequences (if you notice people are careful to post now). As I mentioned before, since I considered DD guilty, I assumed the people who flew to his aid were his fellow mafias. Thus I made a list of those "suspected mafias". Since that theory turned out horribly wrong, (DAMN YOU SHALLOW[BAY]) I have to rearrange my list. | ||
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Live2Win
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So yea, once I was pretty sure you were not mafia, I was going to change my vote... but before I could I had to take an exam that lasted longer than I thought. <hr> Since it's becoming more apparent that I'm going to get lynched (and that makes me sad) I am going to leave out a theory so that when I die, and when I'm proven innocent, it will hopefully steer your attention to another suspect: Caller. To begin with, I want to explain why I suspected Caller, and why he's high up on my list: 1.) His opposition against ShaLLoW[Bay]. Of course this reasoning is now thrown out the window since it turns out Shallow[bay] was mafia, and Dr.Dragoon was innocent, so I won't go into much detail. Basically he was against Shallow[bay], and since I was convinced Dr.Dragoon was mafia, I figured he must be protecting a mafia.... I was wrong. This reasoning is no longer valid. 2.) His allegiance to FakeSteve. I've explained in a previous post why I suspect FakeSteve. Therefor, anyone who supported FS I had an eye on... especially those who voted with little reason, as explained the link to my post. These are Caller's quotes regarding FS's nomination: On February 12 2008 04:41 Caller wrote: I vote for FakeSteve edit: on the grounds that he likes paint On February 12 2008 07:13 Caller wrote: don't vote for better and/or trucil, they're both mafiosos trying to corner the vote. a vote for fakesteve is a vote for honesty and arbitrary executions. On February 12 2008 21:06 Caller wrote: vote for fakesteve, at least if he's a mafiaso he'll be killing random people anyways On February 13 2008 02:30 Caller wrote: dont forget to vote against the mafia tyrrany that is somuchbetter and tyracil... vote for fakesteve On February 13 2008 07:05 Caller wrote: vote for fake steve u fools These posts give relatively weak reasonings as to why he would vote FakeSteve, or why we should vote for FS. Of course, this doesn't mean he is mafia. It was just enough for a red flag on Caller. 3.) His odd posts, as if purposely stirring up trouble when not needed. Here's a few quotes from Caller that had me thinking that: On February 12 2008 09:47 Caller wrote: Alright i give up im a mafiaso, lynch me please  This was pointed out by Tracil, but I'd like to emphasize that this short sentence makes almost no sense as a townie. On February 12 2008 10:20 Caller wrote:  EDIT: It was a sort of reaction test to see what would happen. In this case, you had a strange reaction when I said that, which I thought was a bit odd. Hmm... On February 12 2008 10:30 Caller wrote: there was a smiley face for a reason lol. I thought it might trip up people whom weren't too cautious. Also, do any of the current clues have anything to do with me? Its not like i have a sig, nor is my name overly complicated. His original message was just a simple " ". But one has to wonder, why do this? He explains it's a "reaction test" yet he made no follow up to what he found out. I personally don't think this was a test, but a simple little trick to confuse people.4.) This one's new. It's a theory I've cooked up after the Shallow[bay]/Dr.Dragoon incident was cleared up. One thing that puzzled me was that no one tried to kill me the first night, or the second night. Here's a quote from a few pages back: + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2008 16:54 Live2Win wrote: I wasn't saved by a paramedic, because I didn't get this "PM" from Chuiu or Dapperdan. I have no reason to lie about this either, as the paramedic(s) can easily uncover my lie. However this puts me in a difficult position. The fact that the mafia didn't even attempt to kill me, means a few things: They want the towns people to suspect me and lynch me, or they want me to think I'm wrong and change my thoughts.... OR I am wrong and see no threat in me. I need time to think this through. Now first of all, this means that (assuming I'm a townie) none of the mafia tried to kill me. I'll admit at one point I was convinced that it's because I'm way off with my theories. But right now I'm seeing a possible, more ingenious reason: they can't, so they won't. Think about it: there are 4 paramedics, and there has been a few requests to protect me tonight, both by myself and a few others who trusted me. To the mafia, this guarantees that I will not be killed that night, unless more mafias attacked... yet with 4 medics, it is dangerous to attempt to kill me so early when there aren't that many people they trust to protect yet. In fact, if they attempted to kill me and I was saved, it would PROVE my innocence. The town won't know it, but the target (me) and the medic would both know, and they would let the town know. Once the town saw me as a target, they would assume I was innocent, and try to protect me. In the end the mafia won't be able to kill me until more medics were killed. So instead they're doing something different: they're trying to frame me. They first target the ones who have suspected me as mafia, making me look suspicious. Then they leave me untouched, making me look like a possible mafia. Then as the finale a mafia comes out and directs their finger at me, using the reasons listed above as proof. And who's finger is pointing at me? Caller. <hr> Now of course, some of you will simply look at this as a ploy of mine to stay alive. At this point I can understand how Dr.Dragoon feels. People are hopping on the lynch train simply because they don't feel like looking into the clues and coming to a conclusion themselves. They scan over someone else's conclusion, half-agree with it and lynch whoever that person lynch. I only ask of you, Liquidians, to not let that happen. If you must lynch me, look over Caller's posts, and my posts. Consider all possibilities and if you agree with him, then lynch me. Please don't lynch for the sake of lynching. | ||
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Live2Win
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I vote to lynch Caller | ||
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However I am in danger of being lynched, I think it good for me to "over-reach" if it means keeping myself alive for the day atleast. As for whether I change my lynch vote, I'll have to give it some thought. Caller withdrawing his vote surprises me, and he does make a point is saying he wouldn't sacrifice himself to get me. (and I should really stop thinking like everyone's out to get me, lol) | ||
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Live2Win
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On February 20 2008 15:44 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: so everybody just ignores the 'caller is a bodyguard' thing basically due to the ineptitude of you lot one of my bodyguards is fucked paramedics, save caller every night forever you have 2 more | ||
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Live2Win
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Keeping this information no longer benefits me. It will be revealed anyways, and hopefully once my innocence is revealed, my previous accusations will be considered heavily. Also, I pubically request the pardoner, Tracil to pardon me. There's no point in PMing him, as he is against all PMs regarding the game. Some of you may see this as a desparate attemp by a mafia to stay alive. But this would be the same whether I was a townie or townie. If I die then that's it for me. I can do no more. Thus, I'm spilling everything I know for the town to use. Hopefully the town will use my previous posts and information to direct their attentions to someone else, someone who is hopefully a mafia. Others may wonder why I would risk a piece of information that guarantees death by the mafia, if not by the town. Again, because if I die then that's it. Even if this move keeps me alive for only an extra day, it will let me help the town. Another possibility is that another paramedic may keep me alive for the awhile, if they believe I'm innocent. There, I'm now naked in front of you all. I hide nothing. | ||
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On February 21 2008 12:14 Caller wrote: i figured as much... although i wouldnt pubically request anybody to do anything. that'd be kinda sketchy.  My only question for you is, why did u keep calling on medics to save you? because I can't save myself? I figured if the Mafia would target anyone in the first night, I would be one of them since I and Tracil talked the most. Tracil became Pardoner so he's safe, but I had no protection. So I asked to be protected. I will admit the very first night I protected ShaLLoW[baY]. This was night #1, when we were all convinced, especially me, that Dr.Dragoon was scum. Imagine how shitty I felt when I found out I wasted a night on a mafia. | ||
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Live2Win
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Because there was no one I trusted enough to protect, nor anyone who I considered in grave danger. I also didn't have time to look into it. (night 2 and day 3 came pretty fast compared to day 2) | ||
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On February 21 2008 14:19 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: you couldn't tell the difference between your own ass and a hole in the ground, who are you to interfere with what i do the pardoner? His job description is to interfere with what you do, if he deems it wrong. | ||
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On February 21 2008 15:36 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: stop voting for caller retards if you voted for him, change it No. As far as I can tell you're even more suspicious than he. Plus the alternative is my death. :p | ||
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Live2Win
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I change my vote from Caller to FakeSteve He has been a shady character from the start. But most of all he has been using force to sway the public. I'm afraid he may be too dangerous to keep. | ||
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Currently Tracil is in 2nd and myself in third. I obviously don't want to die yet, and I'm fairly convinced Tracil isn't a threat. Tracil has been the most involved in this game, so I think him dying would be a tragedy for the town, if he turns out townie. If he's mafia then yes, but right now I'm inclined to believe he's townie. | ||
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I find the clues pointing to him from Day 1 compelling. | ||
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When we "idiots" vote and the two leading candidates to get lynched are both townies. That's when he'd use his double lynch. If the top ones were mafia and townie, would he use his double? No. | ||
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Live2Win
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On February 23 2008 13:04 SoMuchBetter wrote: me n steve are brothers till the end cmon steve, ill race you to the gallows I vote for the guillotine | ||
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Live2Win
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It's quite simple actually. Someone ask for paramedic protection tonight, and I will save them for the night. The only way that fails is if I'm attacked and the one I'm protecting is attacked, or the one I'm protecting is attacked by multiple mafias. In this case we'd both die. So if you die and I die, then my identity will be revealed (too late though, since we're dead). If you die, and I don't die, then I'm mafia. AFAIK there is no way the mafia can kill someone I'm protecting without killing me. Of course this doesn't PROOVE I am a paramedic, since if the mafia just ignore us then the question still stands. But atleast this guarantees either your safety or my guilt. Because if YOU DIE, then my alligience is revealed. | ||
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