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On June 07 2024 13:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But you also said "rayn gave the answer i was looking for" when Vivax confronted you.
Whats that about then, if your opinion is basically the opposite?
Because these aren't "Masons" I think that's a disingenuous term for the random "neighbor" meetup. I think neighbor is a better term. Just because I haven't played with a Mason game, doesn't mean I don't understand what they are. It doesn't confirm anyone in this game.
"It's just fun to talk privately with someone."
I trust your wisdom that this is really all the extra perk is about.
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And at this time I'm voting Trfel for the scumslip
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On June 07 2024 13:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay maybe all this hassle is pointless.
I have a few more minutes before I call it a night.
Has anything else stuck out at you?
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On June 07 2024 19:20 Mocsta wrote:
Trfel prepare to be disappointed
Although I did read as you predicted. Yet not much to analyze
You improved. Not sure why the tone changed but it did. And I like that rain observed at same time.i did
Rsoultin I'm back to neutral
Buzziest read to me is kelsier and alphazero
I don't find alphazero insight that great. I.e. Scott defense was adequate to me
And. Alpha is reading to immediately nitpick which I can't relate to
I'm looking for scum.and town. Just weird so far
His tactic of flag was a nice touch though. I will steal that for future
On June 07 2024 20:11 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 20:05 Kelsi3r wrote:On June 07 2024 20:02 Mocsta wrote:
How about why isn't rsoultin scum? Is she? Whats the case ? You have my vote now ##vote: kelsi3rFor being intentionally obtuse . This shouldn't be this hard mate
After re-reading the page before, this makes sense to me.
On June 07 2024 21:09 die_meatbaby wrote:
Good morning
I am suprised that there are so few pages to catch up, was expexting more.
Ehhh... This is like a "I don't know what else to write"
On June 07 2024 21:45 Vivax wrote:
I‘d say that marv has likely rolled mafia based on his recent non-posts
I was going to give him another 6 or so hours, but yes - if marv rolls mafia he's super quiet.
On June 07 2024 22:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 07 2024 13:48 rsoultin wrote:
Truffle thinking this is about arguments. Well I was kinda hoping for a rayn follow-up but tbf you were concentrating on more important things so I'll just pout a little in the corner instead.
Rayn, I am very, very happy that your 'Truffle is having fun' wasn't a townread. That's how I initially read it and I was like...hmm. The calling people stupid thing was also not greeeat but idk as part of a joke it's not as weird for a truffle.
Regarding the oats thing, I kinda get what Viva's putting down as an early read. It's very derpy derpy fuck you which feels nice and relaxed to me. I'm not quite sure why it's significant to you, though? The jump on the not reading the OP comment felt...ick. Very low-hanging fruit. What's the mafia motivation for just declaring you're not reading it? This, Trfel, is why i gave town points for rsoultin. It would be very easy read for mafia to make (even on a partner), just because "happy to play = town", which ofc is bullshit. Now based on MY view of your "relationship with rsoultin in mafia games", she might have even made that read as mafia. Let’s be honest, it would be a downright blunder for maf-rsoultin to have done that.
I liked rayn's point - marv agrees with it also. *noted*
On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote:
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me
See I disagree with this.
On June 07 2024 23:41 Vivax wrote:
I don‘t like how AZ went redflag mode on Scott only to conveniently forget about it and start gunning at Mocsta.
If you‘re going to look that convinced on someone why switch priorities so easily ?
Although we did talk about the "red flags" weren't scum reading per se, I like this observation.
On June 08 2024 00:05 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 12:57 scott31337 wrote:On June 07 2024 12:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of the situation regarding you scott?
Do you get Alpha's argument? I think it's helping to drive discussion. I kind of get it, but, it really was a question for someone more experienced to give a point of view of how it helps. That's all I was looking for. I liked what you said and it made sense. I thought Alphazero was doing the red flags to call me scummy at first. This is a weak answer imo. I'm not a good judge of Scotts character imo but all of this is very weasel-y and evasive. His inner bully didn't awaken from being double prodded, so maybe it doesn*t exist altogether because it's something inherent to townies. If I got bombarded with red flags I'd be more inquisitive I think.
My memory isn't the best - but it was more flagging the post then "Scott is mafia with red flags."
Wouldn't lynch order
raynpelikoneet - townie inquizzitive vibes. Hopefully we can figure out this game like last one and smoke out the mafs.
Vivax - feels like his townie game too.
marvellosity - feels like usual townie game. Like I mentioned, super quiet as mafia.
Mocsta - I see him as town searching around - he seems to have an accurate read on me.
Trfel - Feels townie as well. I'll be unvoting him.
rsoultin - Even in obs I have a terrible time reading this person. Two people with more experience say elsewhise.
Oatsmaster - I could be convinced, but is playing a little different.
Could lynch order:
Kelsi3r - His back and forths with Mocsta was pretty bad when Mocsta seemed genuine to me.
Alakaslam - nothing of value contributed
die_meatbaby - not enough info
sandroba - Stayed on the Mason bandwagon after reading the thread - read of Kelsi3r and others seem bad
AlphaZero - I don't think this is HF. Maybe DP? But seems to be a experienced player shitting up the thread. Hinted at me then went after Mocsta
So I'm unvoting Trfel and voting for Kelsi3r.
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On June 07 2024 21:09 die_meatbaby wrote:
Good morning
I am suprised that there are so few pages to catch up, was expexting more.
This was four hours ago. He mentions there's so few pages, but has not posted since. Looks really bad
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On June 08 2024 01:07 marvellosity wrote:
Scott, just to be clear, it wasn’t a townread on rsoultin, rather that if she had attacked Trfel it would have looked bad
Thank you for the clarity.
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On June 08 2024 01:20 Vivax wrote:
I‘m taking back the TR on Mocsta.
I‘d like to understand why he seemed so focused on rso in his first two posts.
I just re-read Mocsta's filter and I'm not seeing what you are talking about.
I see the fifth and sixth posts
On June 07 2024 19:59 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 19:57 Kelsi3r wrote:On June 07 2024 19:54 Mocsta wrote:
Klesi3r
Why does the read on rsoultin matter in regards to alphazero? Why does my read matter? Dunno i guess thats up to you Hi mate It matters as you referenced rsoultin to bias your read on alphazero as town What's the concern to embellish?
On June 07 2024 20:02 Mocsta wrote:
How about why isn't rsoultin scum?
Are these what you are referring to?
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On June 08 2024 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Can we lynch sandy?
Possibly, but I'd like to know your reasoning for such.
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On June 08 2024 02:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 02:23 scott31337 wrote:On June 08 2024 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Can we lynch sandy? Possibly, but I'd like to know your reasoning for such. well, narcissism originally haha >< i wanted credit for my truffle read he stole and took all the nuance out of but then he stayed on your stuff after rereading the whole thread and idk feels like there's a lot more going on at this stage i was also feeling icky about the mocsta - kelsier interaction but on rereading the filters separately it seems fine
Did anything else stick out in their filters?
Hypothetically if Sandroba was off the table, who else would you be interested in lynching?
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On June 08 2024 03:09 Trfel wrote:Worst List Post of All TimeTownMaybe Townrsoultin + Show Spoiler +It's very easy to follow her thought process. raynpelikoneet + Show Spoiler +Raynpelikoneet is generally helpful, but in this game, he's shown original/unique thought, as opposed to just "normal" lines of reasoning. Mocsta + Show Spoiler +This is a dangerous read since I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding what Mocsta is getting at sometimes and I don't have the focus to try and wade through it and actually figure it out, but I still like how Mocsta is very willing to go against the thread sentiment. Mafia can imitate this but I think it's much less likely. Oatsmaster + Show Spoiler +Oatsmaster's posting has trended towards my expectations for him, as described here. Unfortunately, I have no idea what that means with regards to Oatsmaster's alignment. Congratulations on wasting your time reading this  scott31337 + Show Spoiler +Made you look die_meatbaby sandroba marvellosity + Show Spoiler +I dunno. Really like his posting style, funniest person in the game by far. But I don't actually like this thoughts all that much, which makes me sad  Specifically the post on rsoultin that raynpelikoneet just quoted, I was going to say the same thing. It's very easy to point fingers and say "that person hasn't done anything yet!" when the person in question was only present for the first four and a half pages of the game, when there isn't that much to be done. It's hard for me to understand how marvellosity (of all people) could completely miss this. Feels like taking a cheap shot to discredit someone and make yourself look better. Vivax + Show Spoiler +He hasn't really made much of an impression to me yet, to be honest. AlphaZero + Show Spoiler +Not sure. Opening posts seem quite reasonable, but I have a much harder time following the thinking after. Alakaslam + Show Spoiler +On June 08 2024 02:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 22:47 Alakaslam wrote:
Hijole how did I forget this
My work, my work! Don't post too much!
I shall return
When I come back, I expect to see much vote alakaslam based on this... but I can do no different! Uh, maybe I'm falling into the Chezinu trap with Alakaslam, but I actually think this is suspicious? Like, forgetting about the game or going to work or not posting isn't suspicious at all. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Also, Alakaslam is one of those people who likes to post as mafia, so him not posting isn't a mafia indicator IMO regardless. What is suspicious is the self awareness. Specifically I am looking at a few games ago, it was a Grackaroni game where he invited everyone to the Discord server and Alakaslam was one of the first three people to join. So when three people joined, he thought that was the mafia Discord server and that he was mafia with them, and he said something like "I can't play for a few hours so go ahead and bus me for a while" which IMO doesn't make much sense, who pushes someone for being away for a few hours? But it shows that Alakaslam is exceptionally self-aware/self-conscious as mafia, particularly about activity levels. Unfortunately I can't say that Alakaslam isn't like this as town. I haven't seen anything to indicate that he has this mindset as town, but it's still possible. Regardless though I think it's worth keeping in mind. Kelsi3r + Show Spoiler +I admit that I struggled a bit to understand Kelsi3r and Mocsta's discussion but my initial point still stands. On June 07 2024 19:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2024 16:44 Kelsi3r wrote:
I enjoyed Alpha Zero pointing out that scott had basically answered his own question and giving it a red flag. I love shit like that.
What does it say about scott? I don't know
But rsoutlin also liked it so I guess I like Alpha and rsoultin at this early stage.
Trefl and rayn were posting a lot and having a discussion, i've always been a sucker for activity = town . But ngl I didn't read a lot of the posts and sort of glazed over.
That's an ok starting point.
Yeah idk. The more I think about this (plus his previous post where he says he doesn't like Vivax) the more I am suspicious. If Kelsi3r doesn't know what AlphaZero's point about scott31337 means with regards to scott31337's alignment, that should lead to there being less reason to townread AlphaZero (and also anyone else) for this reasoning, no? Of course you don't always have to agree with someone's reasoning to think it makes them look towny, but it certainly helps. Furthermore, I could understand it better if he just said that it made AlphaZero look better, since they were the first to clearly lay out that line of thinking. But to add on that rsoultin looks good, purely for agreeing, when Kelsi3r himself doesn't even know if the point means anything for scott31337's alignment? Seems out of place. And to add, the only person he said he didn't like, Vivax, also commented on this kind of idea. Vivax didn't put scott31337's posts in contrast like AlphaZero did, but he (rightfully) pointed out that one of scott31337's posts in question didn't make a ton of sense. It wasn't exactly the same idea, but it was somewhat similar, and this was (presumably) enough to make AlphaZero say that Vivax looks town. Kelsi3r seems to have ignored this entirely, however? New top suspect, I think. Idk, am I being too stubborn? I legitimately think that Kelsi3r is a valid suspect, and he hasn't done anything to give me pause yet.
I appreciate the work here. Most I can understand and follow.
On June 08 2024 03:14 Kelsi3r wrote:
Do i need to read anything?
Sigh.
On June 08 2024 03:19 Trfel wrote:Like, EVEN IF we ignore the big juicy reason to suspect Kelsi3r: He hasn't really done anything? List of what he's done: Then the kicker, he stayed around to discuss for a while but just answered questions and didn't actually share any new thoughts. I'd be more okay with this if he'd shared a bunch of thoughts earlier, but this really feels like posting for the sake of posting and not looking to solve the game. Note that he has shared zero suspicions of anyone whatsoever, but seems content to not work towards changing that. And he even said that this is an okay starting point? Not having any scumreads/suspicions, sure. But in combination with actually being somewhat present and posting? And in combination with the other thing, townreading rsoultin for liking with something that he didn't agree with himself? Would very much like to discuss this.
Kinda already am (Since I'm voting for him) but could sheep this
On June 08 2024 04:19 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 03:01 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 02:56 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 00:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote:
So far I like rayn and trfel as town. So what was the point of your comment on Trfel?! Felt off and stood out to me at that point on the thread, I'm content with not pursuing it since further reading points to town. you stole my story who do you wanna lynch if it's not still scott? i'm bored of the scott conversation Is this not the person YOU want to lynch? Wtf
A good catch.
On June 08 2024 04:36 Kelsi3r wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 04:31 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 03:24 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 03:16 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 03:01 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 02:56 sandroba wrote:On June 08 2024 00:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2024 23:18 sandroba wrote:
So far I like rayn and trfel as town. So what was the point of your comment on Trfel?! Felt off and stood out to me at that point on the thread, I'm content with not pursuing it since further reading points to town. you stole my story who do you wanna lynch if it's not still scott? i'm bored of the scott conversation I'm not over scott. That single post by dmb then fucking off does look really bad, could get behind that. Rayn liking your terrible reasoning without knowing what it is also moves him away from my townie lean what are you talking about regarding me? You said you liked rsoul read on me, then asked her what is the case against me. Explain I "like her read" (lets put it this way -- because i do not necessarily agree with it) on you because in my experience rsoultin hates lying and taking a stance like that (which is not completely unreasonable), points towards her being town. I mean i can go further into this if you want to, but i just dont think she would accuse town!sandroba as mafia!rsoultin (even less if youre both mafia) like that. Basically i don't agree with her, that what you said and did makes you mafia, but i think it makes her town. @Alakaslam, it looks like you are posting as you catch up, but just in case that isn't true, here is the post you said you wanted to see. I also bring this up to make a point about Kelsi3r. Raynpelikoneet does a very nice job of explaining how he can think someone is town due a read he doesn't agree with. My point though, is, see how it requires a meaningful explanation? Like without the explanation, it doesn't make sense. I can kinda understand Kelsi3r townreading AlphaZero for his scott31337 post, but I really can't understand townreading rsoultin for being interested in AlphaZero's scott31337 post. If he had an explanation that made it make sense I'd consider it, but he doesn't, his explanation is pretty weak imo, and not at all insightful. It's not that what Kelsi3r did is inherently scummy, it's that the way he went about it doesn't make sense. you need to drop this shit
Instead of explaining your mindset, you say this?
On June 08 2024 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 08 2024 05:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2024 02:41 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rsoul what’s the Sandro scum read? hello oats how ya doing, just explained it up above, or i could use the word 'vibes' namely that he seemed like he was being all reasonable and shit but then his filter was very blah and focused scott who got the most flack from the beginning. very unexciting from a player i remember being good also i'm going to try not to read into preflip associations but note to self if sandro's scum this out of the blue poke from oats could be a scummate woot woot wouldn't it be cool if i found two already? \o/ sandy first ???? why are you so surprised? The read is “Sandro’s filter is boring” That’s not a real read + she just spams Sandro mafia lynch Sandro with me when he’s literally in the thread so wait, you think rsoultin is mafia? because of what exactly? Can you let me play or what What’s your vivax read this is a townie post imo. fuck it i actually think Oats is town here.
I still don't get who Oats wants to lynch though. I mean we got another day, but still...
I kind of don't want to lynch Slam anymore either.
But I'm not fully won over on Oats. Rayn and Sandroba are like "ta da Let's call Oats town" - uggg
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I've read the thread but I've had a long day at work as well, so am a bit tired.
I searched my name in Alpha's filter - 20 times at the moment
And if you have been paying attention - keeps calling me scummy.
I search for Vivax -
On June 07 2024 12:12 AlphaZero wrote:
Vivax looks town.
20 hours ago
The rest is quotes from Vivax or others saying his name.
A post an hour ago
Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him
And now he votes for him.
But AZ has been calling me scummy all game so far.
Seems suspicious to me.
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Who do you want to lynch today Mocsta?
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On June 08 2024 08:35 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 08:33 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 08:29 scott31337 wrote:I've read the thread but I've had a long day at work as well, so am a bit tired. I searched my name in Alpha's filter - 20 times at the moment And if you have been paying attention - keeps calling me scummy. I search for Vivax - On June 07 2024 12:12 AlphaZero wrote:
Vivax looks town. 20 hours ago The rest is quotes from Vivax or others saying his name. A post an hour ago Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him And now he votes for him. But AZ has been calling me scummy all game so far. Seems suspicious to me. Lol I knew someone (probably mafia) would makes this argument before I even posted my thoughts on vivax. And I did it anyway. What does it mean??
That DP rolled mafia again?
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On June 08 2024 08:49 AlphaZero wrote:
Scott not considering the game state with my vivax read and what it means about my alignment is the second scummiest thing that happened this game.
The first being Scott’s opening posts.
Town circle activate!
What fucking Vivax read? Your only posts about Vivax I put in my post that you lol'ed.
Did you post them in Discord instead? Because I've thread your thread again and I don't know what you are talking about.
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On June 08 2024 09:07 rsoultin wrote:
mmmeeeh i don't wanna lynch scott tho -_-
Then don't unless you are Mafia with DP/AZ
Even if I get mislynched (But I'm a lot better at defending than I was as a newb) it'll give town plenty of info to work with.
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Yeah those are all one page.. So I don't really have anything to link.
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On June 08 2024 09:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 09:46 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 09:41 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 09:37 rsoultin wrote:On June 08 2024 09:34 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 09:24 rsoultin wrote:
okay obviously i need to explain
isn't the crux of the push on scott
1) he opened with setup discussion = mafia = policy lynch
2) he asked how masons are towny then explained how masons are towny = objectively inconsistent You know there is more to it than that. cause you commented on it. Come on now. the 'more to it' isn't interesting to me it was fine for you and viva to jump on that early cause that was all there was and probably the only interesting thing going on apart from truffle sounding like a bloody robot. we've now got ~30 pages of game Yes that’s fair in isolation. but the second point against him definitely tracks with a mafia agenda. Now there are two points for the same player that don’t sit right. That’s a pattern building. But hey, feel free to present an alternative option if you see one. I will consider it on its merits. and your second point is what? that he thought it was scummy you went after viva when he couldn't find any mention of him in your filter after yammering about him all day? cause if that's the case, i'm not following you did mention issues with viva before voting though so hrum, i guess i can see how you'd see that as a scum!scott reaction. though then my question is what was your post about 'knowing' someone (probably scum) would mention that? frankly i'm just confused -_-
I would attempt to explain more than what's already in my thread but I think that horse has died at least twice already.
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I'm back from the festival. I'm reading the thread from page 37 and took out what I wanted to chat about.
Give me a little bit.
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On June 08 2024 21:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 20:54 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 20:52 rsoultin wrote:
Cause now i have to try and convince someone objectively scummy =/= scum and thats exhausting Yes yes, everyone knows that. Yet thats how i perceive your scott case I also find it genuinely mindboggling how anyone is hard townreading sandy like you and marv are and yet i think you're town so pfft
This is defintely on my mind as well...
On June 08 2024 21:16 AlphaZero wrote:
I want to lynch Scott unless he comes back and shits town flavored rainbows. 🌈
That make sense trfel??
What kind of rainbows would you like to see?
On June 08 2024 21:24 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 21:20 AlphaZero wrote:On June 08 2024 21:18 Trfel wrote:On June 08 2024 21:16 AlphaZero wrote:
I want to lynch Scott unless he comes back and shits town flavored rainbows. 🌈
That make sense trfel?? Yes and no, I understand that this is your perspective, but I disagree that doing so makes sense  In my opinion this is the towniest game I've ever seen scott31337 play. I'm just not very inclined to lynch him in it tbh. What do you propose then trfel? Kelsier lynch? It’s almost policy at this point. Yes, I've made it pretty clear that I want to lynch Kelsi3r. I don't think any other lynch is anywhere near as good. I don't think it's policy at all, honestly to me it looks most like either: 1 - he got bullied out of the thread or 2 - he got caught and lost motivation to post Obviously I think it's the latter, though if there is reasoning for the former I am willing to reconsider. Policy is lynching someone for activity or something like that. Kelsi3r was around, walked himself into a hole, got caught, and THEN stopped posting. Very, very different.
This was something I noted as well, and one of the reasons I would like to lynch Kelsi3r for the time being. He has not posted since you wrote this message either.
On June 08 2024 23:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 08:29 scott31337 wrote:I've read the thread but I've had a long day at work as well, so am a bit tired. I searched my name in Alpha's filter - 20 times at the moment And if you have been paying attention - keeps calling me scummy. I search for Vivax - On June 07 2024 12:12 AlphaZero wrote:
Vivax looks town. 20 hours ago The rest is quotes from Vivax or others saying his name. A post an hour ago Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him And now he votes for him. But AZ has been calling me scummy all game so far. Seems suspicious to me. The timing of this post was a bit suspicious because AZ and Oats were going at me at the time so it might have led me to be pocketed by Scott playing devil's advocate. I don't feel like this is going to be an easy game.
The timing was AZ going after me and changing his vote to someone else. This would be better read in context (post link) instead of filter. I still am lost about the "Vivax read" stuff.
On June 09 2024 05:23 AlphaZero wrote:
If one of these guys is town we are going to mislynch.
What town agenda is this from? It's extremely rare you find two mafia D1. And I know I'm town. Like to me posting this is just muddying the waters and shitting in it.
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