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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 16 2024 09:53 GMT
#9201
On March 16 2024 18:50 DarthPunk wrote:
are you not going to be around that much then Palmar?

Nope, I'll try, but honestly nope.
Computer says mafia
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 16 2024 09:56 GMT
#9202
I think you should read MZ's filter if you want to lynch him at least.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 16 2024 09:56 GMT
#9203
Can I ask you why you never really pursued your reads on Oats and TTS on day one?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 16 2024 10:12 GMT
#9204
On March 16 2024 18:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Can I ask you why you never really pursued your reads on Oats and TTS on day one?

TTS was never a "read" per se. I noticed he said something like "I'm not going to do anything till day 4" which to me was weird because he expected to be alive by then. But I also recognized it was a very minor thing.

He did post though, and I remember someone asking about the difference between hapa and TTS in my views, and that is exactly that. Hapa just straight up left. TTS made some bad posts and left. Trfel made some decent posts and left. I considered them all vigi targets/possible policy lynches on day 1/night 1, but obviously each situation is different.

I can't claim I "caught" TTS, he was just mafia by measurable heuristics.

Regarding Oats, and I know this isn't going to sound great for me. I didn't do great on the scumhunting part in the last game I played. It's been like 4 years since I played mafia, and I lynched HF despite the fact I should've known better, and it took me a long time to find both dmb and rayn. I essentially had to rely on marv bailing me out of a lynch, and then on cooperation with sandroba that I should've seen as town much earlier to finish the game. Yes, I got around to voting only mafia for the last few days, but it took me longer than expected.

So, this game, and this is still the case, and I really need a smaller game to clear my head a bit, my confidence has been shaken a little bit. Just look at the lack of "fuck you, you're mafia" I've done this game. I'm genuinely not sure on anything.

So coming back to Oats, I made a really, really good point that should obviously point to the dude being mafia. The point being that Oats announced a run for mayor, and then never, ever tried to follow through with it at all. And it's not just that he didn't follow through, it's how he didn't. His play devolved into questions and comments about other people. I would've forgiven it if his eye caught something interesting to chase, but he just said "I wanna be mayor" and then started looking for other random shit to comment on.

But alas, Koshi, who I strongly believed was town at the time, and through most of the game, started berating me for calling Oats scum and pointed out my case was just based on one thing. So I kinda dropped it then. Then I fully moved Oats into the town column when he actually made a great, but obviously NAI point about me posting really townie shit and marv still being obstinate about it. Of course marv would come around later, but the fact that Oats saw it first just let him right into my pocket, a position he rode till death.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 16 2024 10:15 GMT
#9205
On March 16 2024 18:23 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2024 17:04 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 16 2024 14:00 DarthPunk wrote:
Koshi was actually a viable mislynch probably so I think it points to the fact that he was on the right direction.

(this is all surface level ignoring layers of WIFOM)

I don't think Koshi was a viable mislynch at all.


I think you are wrong.

I don't think he was.

Like despite all his ridiculous antics he was always at least an associate, if not a full member of my towncircle.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 16 2024 10:23 GMT
#9206
On March 16 2024 11:22 DarthPunk wrote:
Im not sure Palmar is mafia, but I am not defending him anymore either.

I will view the case on its merits.

If Palmar is mafia it makes sense to keep me around using my thread pull to defend him.

That's ok, I don't really need you to defend me.

But you need to remember that you thought I was town based on things I did (posting) and you're wavering on things the mafia did (nk).

I can't control the mafia NK, so the situation that comes from it is what it is. All I can do is continue posting.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 16 2024 10:26 GMT
#9207
On March 16 2024 12:11 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2024 08:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 09 2024 08:28 iamperfection wrote:
On March 09 2024 07:32 Palmar wrote:
Like I think you've done everything right if you're town Oats, and if you're mafia massive kudos for wool stuff. I am NEVER lynching you here without a red check.

I'll stick around for a little bit while doing other stuff, but I'm just not confident enough in my reads to actually move somewhere else. I think.

he says this and then votes VE ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I mean he also says this just prior:
On March 09 2024 07:27 Palmar wrote:
On March 09 2024 07:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey look Palmar Sandro thought i was town too.
Just like for your records
On March 06 2024 11:00 sandroba wrote:
oats is very townie imo


Yeah I know

I'm like this close to saying fuck math and changing my opinion.

But you did make a case on me, which looks bad for you. Not sure I should blame you for that though.

Like I'm almost tempted to just fucking lynch slam lol

The only solid thing he told me in our chat is that his vote was for the lulz but maybe he just doesn't want to justify changing his mind and going with his gut?

Maybe meapak cant be with palmar with this post.


Oh I completely forgot I actually told MZ that I was doing it for the lulz. Remember the vote isn't even close when I did it.

That looks better for me, thanks MZ.

Computer says mafia
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 16 2024 10:28 GMT
#9208
On March 16 2024 19:23 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2024 11:22 DarthPunk wrote:
Im not sure Palmar is mafia, but I am not defending him anymore either.

I will view the case on its merits.

If Palmar is mafia it makes sense to keep me around using my thread pull to defend him.

That's ok, I don't really need you to defend me.

But you need to remember that you thought I was town based on things I did (posting) and you're wavering on things the mafia did (nk).

I can't control the mafia NK, so the situation that comes from it is what it is. All I can do is continue posting.


This is a really good point actually.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 16 2024 10:31 GMT
#9209
On March 16 2024 11:21 iamperfection wrote:
I think Palmar just has to be mafia. I have listed the reasons several times and i just keep wifoming myself out of it. His reactions to the CC flip just adds to it he had no real thoughts or analysis to make as he isn't interested in figuring things out.

This is the kinda shit that keeps you out of my towncircle.

Of course I have no reaction. I "knew" she was town and I was highly annoyed at her. The people who I feel in hindsight swung the lynch onto her (DP/Vivax) are my town circle people so while I don't quite understand why they did it after all the dick move analysis, I don't think this warrants looking into them.

DP shot mafia. He gets to be alive until lylo. That is the earliest I think he should be looked into.
Vivax is a bed we kinda made on day 1, but there are additional reasons to think he may be town. I liked his early posting, and I don't think he does the whole paranoia thing as mafia.

So why are my "reactions to the cc flip" bad? There is nothing to learn. We lynched a townie who everyone thought was town.

The only way it actually becomes interesting if we confirm Jealous is mafia. But that would be a pre-flip association and you know how I feel about even post-flip associations.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 16 2024 10:34 GMT
#9210
On March 16 2024 19:28 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2024 19:23 Palmar wrote:
On March 16 2024 11:22 DarthPunk wrote:
Im not sure Palmar is mafia, but I am not defending him anymore either.

I will view the case on its merits.

If Palmar is mafia it makes sense to keep me around using my thread pull to defend him.

That's ok, I don't really need you to defend me.

But you need to remember that you thought I was town based on things I did (posting) and you're wavering on things the mafia did (nk).

I can't control the mafia NK, so the situation that comes from it is what it is. All I can do is continue posting.


This is a really good point actually.


I mean I'd make it as mafia as well, the point isn't good from me as town, it's just really good generic mafia playing advice.
Computer says mafia
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 16 2024 10:34 GMT
#9211
Well Palmar if you are pocketing me this game so be it, you slipped straight back into my pocket.

Vote: Jealous
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 16 2024 10:34 GMT
#9212
I wasn't there, why did we swing the vote onto CC?

I thought we agreed she was innocent child?
Computer says mafia
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 16 2024 10:36 GMT
#9213
On March 16 2024 19:34 Palmar wrote:
I wasn't there, why did we swing the vote onto CC?

I thought we agreed she was innocent child?


Chance of her being unsatisfied traitor 20%, 80% pity and game purity.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 16 2024 10:36 GMT
#9214
and lack of a clear direction played a part.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 16 2024 10:37 GMT
#9215
I hate reading MZ so much.

I'm so certain he has to be mafia for the game to make sense. And my feeling throughout the game, and even very often in his posting he sounds like passive mafia. He's never in the thick of things. He even did the same dumbass "I'll be mayor" thing that Oats did.

But he's just such a genuinely likable person that I don't want to call him scum, and it makes it hard. I'm just a short bit into his filter and I need to head out now.

I am going to be far less available than yesterday, so you know, if you wanna take a shot at me, your shot is today boys
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 16 2024 10:38 GMT
#9216
On March 16 2024 19:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2024 19:34 Palmar wrote:
I wasn't there, why did we swing the vote onto CC?

I thought we agreed she was innocent child?


Chance of her being unsatisfied traitor 20%, 80% pity and game purity.

I was kinda happy with just letting her live and calling the game invalid if she mafia.

But whatever.
Computer says mafia
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 16 2024 11:08 GMT
#9217
On March 16 2024 19:38 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2024 19:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 16 2024 19:34 Palmar wrote:
I wasn't there, why did we swing the vote onto CC?

I thought we agreed she was innocent child?


Chance of her being unsatisfied traitor 20%, 80% pity and game purity.

I was kinda happy with just letting her live and calling the game invalid if she mafia.

But whatever.


You had to be there I guess.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 16 2024 11:55 GMT
#9218
Can you let us know who you mason please jealous?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 16 2024 12:50 GMT
#9219
Day Five Vote Count

Jealous (2): Justanothertownie, DarthPunk
Palmar (1): Rels

Not Voting (6): Vivax, Jealous, Meapak_Ziphh, Palmar, die_meatbaby, iamperfection

With 2 votes, Jealous is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Monday, Mar 18 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in


iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
March 16 2024 13:54 GMT
#9220
Mz can you give a full summary of your discord with palmar. How many posts overall were there too.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
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