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On March 14 2024 13:37 iamperfection wrote:
because palmar said something that was true Jat didnt really make clear what he thought of me at any point in the game from what i see in his filter. We certainly interact and he kind of quotes me a lot but he never really calls me town or mafia from what i see.
He had you in a list somewhere. But it's not even that you guys don't call each other town or mafia, neither of you ever really tries to explain to a third party what the read of the other is.
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I'm going to do some black magic, and I refuse to elaborate because black magic should be outlawed.
On March 14 2024 14:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Three Vote Count
Justanothertownie (4): Palmar, Vivax, Koshi, DarthPunk
Palmar (4): Koshi, iamperfection, Vivax, CopCake, Meapak_Ziphh, Rels
CopCake (1): Rels, Jealous
Rels (1): die_meatbaby
Jealous (0): Vivax, Vivax
Koshi (0): CopCake
Meapak_Ziphh (0): Vivax
Not Voting (1): Justanothertownie
With 4 votes, Justanothertownie is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Friday, Mar 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
There is 0 mafia on jat
There is 1 mafia on me
There are 2 mafia in the non-voters/single-vote-wagons
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On March 14 2024 12:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target. Where is this happening???? You're voting for JAT, the player that probably townreads you the most in the game
I am absolutely developing reads throughout this day. I've added Koshi and you to my town circle, downgraded iamp to possible mafia, come back around on thinking jat has to be mafia.
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On March 14 2024 18:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 18:35 Koshi wrote:
I can still lynch both Palmar and JAT.
CC I just dont know anymore. I still read her as an enigma in solitude. I dont see in what team she operates.
Palmar is just keeping this game wide open. I am upset. I'd be enjoying this so much if I was mafia. Really annoying that I can't skirt this line of being always under suspicion but avoiding death when I am.
I have a hard time believing this isnt mafia Palmar having fun.
If you would die right now, your flip is the only thing we got.
I havent read a sheepable read on mafia.
I havent read a sheepable read on town.
It's worse. If you would flip mafia I would not know who your mates are based on your posts.
If you flip town, do I really want to sheep this iamp read? What do I do with the Rels flipflop?
Blargh
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Unfortunately I guess what I need is to get CC in the thread somehow and actually argue with her and I really, really don't like arguing with insane people.
@CC when you see this, lay out (again, I know I've asked you to do this before) why you're voting for me. Preferably make it at least 2 or 3 paragraphs. I don't need quotes of my posts unless you want to, just an outline of why you think I'm scum this game.
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On March 14 2024 18:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 12:36 Rels wrote:On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target. Where is this happening???? You're voting for JAT, the player that probably townreads you the most in the game I am absolutely developing reads throughout this day. I've added Koshi and you to my town circle, downgraded iamp to possible mafia, come back around on thinking jat has to be mafia.
Where did you add Rels to the town circle? I remember some TMI comment.
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On March 14 2024 07:12 Palmar wrote:
I'm just gonna go say Rels is lock town.
You said this. And then twice that Rels has TMI.
Nothing else in past 12 hours.
So weak.
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On March 14 2024 18:49 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 18:40 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 18:35 Koshi wrote:
I can still lynch both Palmar and JAT.
CC I just dont know anymore. I still read her as an enigma in solitude. I dont see in what team she operates.
Palmar is just keeping this game wide open. I am upset. I'd be enjoying this so much if I was mafia. Really annoying that I can't skirt this line of being always under suspicion but avoiding death when I am. I have a hard time believing this isnt mafia Palmar having fun. If you would die right now, your flip is the only thing we got. I havent read a sheepable read on mafia. I havent read a sheepable read on town. It's worse. If you would flip mafia I would not know who your mates are based on your posts. If you flip town, do I really want to sheep this iamp read? What do I do with the Rels flipflop? Blargh
I'll help you with the latter:
There is a chance my iamp read is based on me assuming he's smart and being annoyed when he's acting stupid. The fact that DP still considers him town significantly impacts my view. Like I still can't get over the fact that iamp doesn't know what a policy lynch is and I'm going to berate him for it probably for the rest of his life. I am perfectly willing to "sheep" DP in the sense that I'll temporarily work under the assumption that he's just null and not mafia.
So basically, don't really sheep the iamp read all that hard, but keep him accountable. In lylo he should be a prime target.
I'm not flipflopping on Rels. I just think it's hilarious that he drops this many "TMI" bombs. Kinda impressive if he's town, which is what I think he is.
If I die, stay the course. Kill jat, then scrutinize the fuck out of the people outside of my town circle. dmb, cc, jealous, mz.
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On March 14 2024 10:07 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 14:02 CopCake wrote:
You are also calling me Mafia but want to push Palmar? Huh…
Btw I am catching up, I only checked if I havent died.
I believed I did because I got a pm but instead I got masoned, what a privilege!! @Palmar did you receive a PM when you got masoned, or did you just get added to a Discord channel?
I refuse to answer this.
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On March 12 2024 23:22 Palmar wrote:
Starting some work:
For context, I've basically considered Rels a pseudo-lurker this game, but that may not be the correct take. Due the length of the game and my sporadic availability we may not have been in the thread at the same time much.
He basically hated the same post that I hated from TTS on day 1, which is a stance I wasn't aware of. I like that take, even if it's not impossible to make as mafia.
In the next few pages I think I agreed with most of what he was saying. I honestly think he just got hypnotized by my enormous balls and ended up getting mislead, but aside from attacking me, he wasn't actually bad in the early game.
I come away thinking he's less likely to be mafia than before, but this is just preliminary work.
This is the last time you gave reasoning.
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And I read Rels early game. He was mafia on you and JAT. So... you liked him being on JAT?
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On March 14 2024 18:56 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 07:12 Palmar wrote:
I'm just gonna go say Rels is lock town.
You said this. And then twice that Rels has TMI. Nothing else in past 12 hours. So weak.
Rels is town because he has been extremely right this game, outside of his tunnel on me.
The TMI joke is simply because of just how much he has been right, I thought you'd understand that.
The only weird actual possible TMI thing that he has done is his response to MZs case on me:
On March 14 2024 10:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 15:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I have been hesitant to scumread Palmar bc I had that TR of him early, masoned him but got blown off so I couldn’t make any real determination, and he was drunk posting with me. That said I think Rels looks terrible right now and some of that has been his association and disassociation with his Palmar reads. Palmar has also been scumreading me for most of the game so I’ve been careful trying to not let that cloud my judgement. That said, it’s time to address his scumread of me or lack thereof. On March 09 2024 07:01 Palmar wrote:
God I'm so lazy and bad at this game.
This sums up my read of Palmar tonight. On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote:
As for other people.
I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax.
I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread.
iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment.
DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes.
TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out.
I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen.
rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems.
Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other.
MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him. MZ bad but haven’t read him On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. I’m in his mafia category On March 09 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote:
Essentially it comes down to:
I really need to filter dive CopCake, DMB, MZ, Rels and JSL because there's like 3 mafia in there.
One is probably either Oats or Slam, unless we're just the unluckiest town in the world.
Also if Slam and Vivax are genuinely town and both claimed on day 1, we deserve to lose.
There's gonna be a hidden mafia there somewhere. MZ in the Mafia but have to filter dive category On March 09 2024 07:30 Palmar wrote:
MZ doesn't look great in our topic.
But to be fair, neither do I cause I don't talk to him. More MZ not great On March 10 2024 20:21 Palmar wrote:
There is 3 mafia in mz/rels/jat/iamp/ve MZ again On March 10 2024 20:56 Palmar wrote:
I actually think we should be lynching MZ as an alternative Lynch MZ On March 11 2024 19:22 Palmar wrote:On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.
Lets even say VE is scum.
Who's the last two? Lol this doesn't matter for now. To put the game in perspective, we're basically in a normal 13 player game of town vs mafia. 10 town, 3 mafia. But we have two VERY likely "blue checks" (you and DP). We also have like 200 pages of bullshit that can be parsed. We're in a great position. We can mislynch 3 times and still be in the game. The current state of the game demands simple playing. We're not in lylo, we're not even close to lylo. We should not be tinfoiling for hidden mafia. We need to be killing the people who have stereotypical scum characteristics, and first and foremost amongst them is VE. He is not interested in the game, isn't helping to solve it, seems to not be enjoying playing etc. Consider it a pseudo policy lynch, which is almost always a good idea in day 1 on a normal game. I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game. The one weakness of the game is that very little information can be gained from the last 2 days because they have been semi-default lynches. Which is another reason why resolving VE is great for the state of the game. I'll happily reconsider if VE starts looking supertown. Also to answer your question... MZ and JAT? MZ with a big old question mark On March 12 2024 00:54 Palmar wrote:
By the way I think CC should not be lynched and have a slight townread. I understand the waffling and self-doubt and giving up can be faked, but it still is more likely to come from town than scum.
I also think dmb sounds a lot more reasonable this game than last game.
For one reason or another, I'm not really considering the following people right now:
dp
jls
koshi
cc
dmb
vivax
Then there's like two people I just need to actually get off my ass and read
jealous
iamp
rels
and then there's the people I actively think could be mafia
jat
mz
ve
Remember, to me I'm really thinking about the game as a "day 1" situation where we have plenty of time and mislynches left. I am not really questioning weaker townreads and tinfoil theories at the moment, there is no need to. Oh boy guess who’s scum again On March 12 2024 23:39 Palmar wrote:
Still don't like MZ, but again, it's just preliminary filtering, not a full read. I have been Palmar’s main scumread most of the game and he has done literally nothing about it. Every single time he calls me scum, he caveats his read so that while I’m his number one choice, he’s always got a reason why he’s not sure, maybe he just puts a question mark there or maybe it’s because he hasn’t read my filter, or maybe he needs to reread me. We're all busy but it's D3 and he's still using these excuses. He’s used every reason possible to not actually stand behind his scumread of me, push his scumread of me, or do anything but sheep along with whatever wagon that’s been convenient for the last 2 days. He is not actually serious about this read. It gets lost in the churn of the thread since he hasn’t been very active but it’s painfully clear when you read his filter. I think he keeps expecting to come back to the thread and for there to be a wagon on me that he can hop on and push but then have plausible deniability because he won't have been the primary push for me despite shading me the entire game. I think Palmar is scum with Rels, tbd who their teammate is at the moment. I have a part 2 of this analysis which is going to look at the connections between those two but that’s gonna have to wait bc its way past my bedtime and I have work tomorrow. Not on bad post on Palmar TBH Kinda townie from MZ too, thinking about the game as a whole and thinking about Palmar and I being partner. If Palmar is town, that means that this analysis is thrown out the window as soon as one of us flips
After declaring Rels lock town this is giving me pause. Maybe he should not be in my town circle and Koshi can be a full member instead.
The point is, Rels knows I'm more likely to flip than him. So instead of commenting on the quality of the case, or refuting it, he simply goes for the "Well when Palmar is dead and flips town I'm cleared" approach.
It's a weird takeaway, considering that Rels personally thinks I'm mafia and has thought that the entire game. Yet the only option/outcome of MZs analysis he comments on is the reverse of what Rels actually thinks is going to happen. He seems not worried at all what it means if I flip mafia, which then in turn, according to MZ should implicate Rels.
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Like i don't fucking know.
Kill jat, deal with other things later.
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I realize I flip flopped my view and talked myself out of my townread as I was writing a single post.
I'm a moron.
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maybe the mafia is just jat rels and jealous or something
That would solve the game, absolve all the shitty lynchbaits and insane people and whatever.
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Just sheep DP to victory and stop thinking, I'm bad at it anyway
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I no longer think iamp must be mafia and I liked the fact that he agreed with me about what I noticed in the interactions between him and jat
And in that post where I called Rels town I accidentally also called him mafia. So now I guess that's what I think.
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Someone vet my work, am I blowing this out of proportion? I
1: MZ makes a case on me and rels being mafia together
2: Rels says case is good, and if I flip town it has to be thrown out the window
Problem with 2 is Rels doesn't think I'm town, so why mention it, instead of pointing out why the case is wrong in associating us as mafia.
The solution to that is that Rels KNOWS I'm town and is using the opportunity to clear himself on my townflip.
If Rels is town and thinks I'm mafia, why isn't his primary concern to convince MZ that the association is wrong? Instead of just saying "good case, means I'm clear when palmar flips town".
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On March 14 2024 19:07 Koshi wrote:
And I read Rels early game. He was mafia on you and JAT. So... you liked him being on JAT?
I ignored/disliked Rels early game.
It was only later when I noticed how reasonable and correct everything he said was that I started thinking he's town. Then when I did the actual analysis yesterday I concluded he had been right about everything and thus looked pretty townie.
There are some points that look to the opposite. His crusade on me on day 1 for some weird interactions with marv never made any sense to me, because all he needed to do was ask marv if it was weird (it wasn't...) I felt like he just sort of came in the thread after a long absence and started attacking me for dumb shit. I decided I was doing other things at the moment, hence:
On March 06 2024 08:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:27 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:25 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:19 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:07 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 09:51 Palmar wrote:
Cba arguing with marv now but did make a mental note of him posting about vivax probably being town but not wanting to mayor him. Weird take because voting town mayor is always best. Can just bully them into lynching theme way we want.
But ironically I’m not sure marv would call me mafia as scum because he has no idea if I’m gonna put in work tomorrow or be lazy. But it’s all very weak and I’m not day 1 lynching players who can be relied on to actually try later on in the game.
I liked some Koshi posts
This is what I had in mind. Less strong than I thought but yeah, at the beginning of the marv push, the mentality was "marv wouldn't push me as scum". Let's see where that changes On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? I guess there, throwing shade at marv Because I wanted marv to change his mind during my flurry of posting this morning. He failed to do so correctly and is has received a citation for that. That's not true. Here you were surprised at marv not changing his mind: On March 05 2024 23:53 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:50 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread. I’m getting you lynched bro. Wait you still think I'm mafia? Did you read my last 2 pages? But you were throwing shade at him before that point: On March 05 2024 22:12 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. It looks really, really bad for you guys that you're all just checked out of the game but claim to be active in the thread. At least be a man and just actually check out of the game like me. Whoever is town of you three needs to start getting shit done in the thread. On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? On March 05 2024 22:48 Palmar wrote:
I need Sandroba to come convince me his mason buddies aren't just mafia.
I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it. So forced and intentionally misread. Rels looks terrible for these takes. Almost like he went to my filter with a preconceived decision. It's really obvious how and why I've approached marv the way I did. How if it a misread? Is it not true that you stated that you couldn't see marv as town, and then was surprised that he didn't change his mind regarding you? I don't need to convince you anymore I think so I'm just gonna ignore you.
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On March 14 2024 14:20 CopCake wrote:
Can I get lynched?
It is not going against my win condition
- Jelaous thinks I dont help town
- iamp is like sarcastic
- vivax post weird shit
- DP is locked I am mafia
- Palmar doesnt understand me
I think my death will help town, it will bring a new perspective and will FORCE people to look somewhere else.
I think me being alive is only to make others look better. The people I tend to work perfectly fine in the game is either death or are not on the player list.
The game will also be less chaotic
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DP also said getting my affilition would solve the game. 😌
I hate to be here, Idk why iamp saved me if she is going to say stuff like this:
On March 14 2024 12:36 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 12:27 DarthPunk wrote:
Perfection do you think cake and palmar can be partnered? I dont think its impossible. Cop is more just confounding. I dont understand the way they think at all. I think cop is more likely to be town the palmar though.
Then I have DP and Koshi saying if Palmar is town then Cake is mafia.
It feels like a set up.
Yes, yes, I know you are scumming reading Palmar but why said “it is not impossible”
I would rather get lynched, because tomorrow is going to be “cake vs someone else, maybe Jat”
Idk, I dont want to be the mafia tool of misslynches.
Like c’mon it is like
“Cake is super mafia lets lynch her” VE flips town
And next day
“Lets lynch Palmar” but if he flips town then is cake
You have been convinced I am mafia, why do I get saved? Why do I got saved by iamp?
At least with my flip, THE TOWN will consider the WORLDS i have proposed. They will see I was right on Tfrel, on VE, and that my actions are not for TMI.
@Palmar
Yesterday Iamp amp asked me to think in a world DP is town so I elaborated and found out that Koshi is scummy. Iamp and JAT said that I was wrong so I decided to sheep now. I mean, I am not the best player, right?
You are calling me insane, so please, lynch me to save yourself.
This sounds very like “playing against your win condition” but once again, my flip will give… light? Many have mentioned it.
Idk why I got saved, I think people would enjoy VE to be here than me.
I am not gonna get sad or anything, just thankfull for that.
If I an correct, town can have this misslynch, you have insane out and game goes easy for town.
GL;HF
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