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On March 14 2024 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Damn, some of those Koshi posts look even worse than I remember them to be. Good dig, CopCake.
I think the "pitting DP against CopCake" seems a bit too paranoid for me to jump on. DP seems like the type of person who would do whatever they felt like, whenever they felt like it. I doubt anyone could coerce him to cause drama for no reason. This is probably aided by the fact that I perceived a lot of your posts/"style" the same way he did, and no one pushed me to do that, either.
Back to Koshi, the changes in reads on people like MZ feel almost gut-based, or at least they are not fully explained. I don't think that's necessarily AI overall; several people here seem to hop from one wagon to another, change their reads on a dime, etc. and they can't all be scum. Specific instances can open the window for pressure though, so I like that CopCake pointed out specific inconsistencies. Let's see what Koshi does in response.
I have already responded.
I think it is a tip top case and welcome your vote on me.
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On March 14 2024 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Damn, some of those Koshi posts look even worse than I remember them to be. Good dig, CopCake.
I think the "pitting DP against CopCake" seems a bit too paranoid for me to jump on. DP seems like the type of person who would do whatever they felt like, whenever they felt like it. I doubt anyone could coerce him to cause drama for no reason. This is probably aided by the fact that I perceived a lot of your posts/"style" the same way he did, and no one pushed me to do that, either.
Back to Koshi, the changes in reads on people like MZ feel almost gut-based, or at least they are not fully explained. I don't think that's necessarily AI overall; several people here seem to hop from one wagon to another, change their reads on a dime, etc. and they can't all be scum. Specific instances can open the window for pressure though, so I like that CopCake pointed out specific inconsistencies. Let's see what Koshi does in response.
Koshis response will be to yell that Palmar and I are mafia some more. I guarantee it.
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On March 14 2024 05:41 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Damn, some of those Koshi posts look even worse than I remember them to be. Good dig, CopCake.
I think the "pitting DP against CopCake" seems a bit too paranoid for me to jump on. DP seems like the type of person who would do whatever they felt like, whenever they felt like it. I doubt anyone could coerce him to cause drama for no reason. This is probably aided by the fact that I perceived a lot of your posts/"style" the same way he did, and no one pushed me to do that, either.
Back to Koshi, the changes in reads on people like MZ feel almost gut-based, or at least they are not fully explained. I don't think that's necessarily AI overall; several people here seem to hop from one wagon to another, change their reads on a dime, etc. and they can't all be scum. Specific instances can open the window for pressure though, so I like that CopCake pointed out specific inconsistencies. Let's see what Koshi does in response. Koshis response will be to yell that Palmar and I are mafia some more. I guarantee it.
Also Jealous
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On March 14 2024 05:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 05:41 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Damn, some of those Koshi posts look even worse than I remember them to be. Good dig, CopCake.
I think the "pitting DP against CopCake" seems a bit too paranoid for me to jump on. DP seems like the type of person who would do whatever they felt like, whenever they felt like it. I doubt anyone could coerce him to cause drama for no reason. This is probably aided by the fact that I perceived a lot of your posts/"style" the same way he did, and no one pushed me to do that, either.
Back to Koshi, the changes in reads on people like MZ feel almost gut-based, or at least they are not fully explained. I don't think that's necessarily AI overall; several people here seem to hop from one wagon to another, change their reads on a dime, etc. and they can't all be scum. Specific instances can open the window for pressure though, so I like that CopCake pointed out specific inconsistencies. Let's see what Koshi does in response. Koshis response will be to yell that Palmar and I are mafia some more. I guarantee it. Also Jealous
My bad.
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Dp helpppppppppppp
I don't care if your leg is falling off.
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Koshi went scumslayer mode this is town Koshi. Palmar/JAT/Jealous isn't an unlikely team.
Rels and copcake are probably two townies working for the mafia, whether consciously or unconsciously is debatable, but I don't see many other viable explanations here.
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Maybe they're mad they didn't get to play with rayn.
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On March 14 2024 01:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 01:35 iamperfection wrote:
Do you think Jelaous is being over defensive palmar? The tone of his annoyance seems reasonable.
This is a non-answer.
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On March 14 2024 05:36 iamperfection wrote:
And I feel like you just went through koshis filter trying to find any inconsistency possible. Also not explaining why said inconsistency makes koshi mafia
- Koshi says I am unreadable and then says he can read me, then even dares to say he tone reads me.
- Koshi is like Oats I need to kill you and then says “yes, I was wrong about Oats” Oats also wanted to mayor Koshi.
- He hardcore townreads DP but suspects Jacob??? Even when he claimed gunsmith? He even says “Is jacob even the gunsmith?”
Post #4745 so you can see his reads before
Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc
Like I said, if he hardcore reads DP as town, why is he questioning jacob? Like if he thinks DP is town, shouldnt he believe Jacob’s claim?
- Many of his decisions are based on dead players: Marv would have liked, Sandro this, Rayn that.
I didnt went with the eyes of: I must find scum in Koshi.
I didnt like how he reacted to me being lynched then no then yes. Felt like he was trying to prepare the scenario of “I told you so”, which I know, it will happen because I am VT.
There are more things quoted, and I am phoneposting atm. I dont think I am going to get on the computer because I am tired and almost midnight.
If you think is worth to talk to me please do so. If you think my case is trash ignore me.
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This group dynamic, the martyrs, the uncompromising votes.
We know cake wants to die and we know she won't vote in accordance with very reasonable people like iamp and DP. There are no jesters in the game, so where does it come from?
Her entire gameplay is like that of those activists who glue themselves to a road to save the climate. It's a protest.
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On March 14 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 05:36 iamperfection wrote:
And I feel like you just went through koshis filter trying to find any inconsistency possible. Also not explaining why said inconsistency makes koshi mafia - Koshi says I am unreadable and then says he can read me, then even dares to say he tone reads me. - Koshi is like Oats I need to kill you and then says “yes, I was wrong about Oats” Oats also wanted to mayor Koshi. - He hardcore townreads DP but suspects Jacob??? Even when he claimed gunsmith? He even says “Is jacob even the gunsmith?” Post #4745 so you can see his reads before Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc Like I said, if he hardcore reads DP as town, why is he questioning jacob? Like if he thinks DP is town, shouldnt he believe Jacob’s claim? - Many of his decisions are based on dead players: Marv would have liked, Sandro this, Rayn that. I didnt went with the eyes of: I must find scum in Koshi. I didnt like how he reacted to me being lynched then no then yes. Felt like he was trying to prepare the scenario of “I told you so”, which I know, it will happen because I am VT. There are more things quoted, and I am phoneposting atm. I dont think I am going to get on the computer because I am tired and almost midnight. If you think is worth to talk to me please do so. If you think my case is trash ignore me.
Your case isn't thrash. For someone else it might even be good. In Koshis case however it just does not really work. You will always find loads of inconsistency and illogical borderline idiotic behavior in his town play. It is also perfectly in line that he sheeps the reads of dead players.
Unfortunately, only very selectively and usually the wrong ones. He should be all for what I am doing in respecting marvs read but he isn't. Which is irrational but totally expectable.
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On March 14 2024 06:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:On March 14 2024 05:36 iamperfection wrote:
And I feel like you just went through koshis filter trying to find any inconsistency possible. Also not explaining why said inconsistency makes koshi mafia - Koshi says I am unreadable and then says he can read me, then even dares to say he tone reads me. - Koshi is like Oats I need to kill you and then says “yes, I was wrong about Oats” Oats also wanted to mayor Koshi. - He hardcore townreads DP but suspects Jacob??? Even when he claimed gunsmith? He even says “Is jacob even the gunsmith?” Post #4745 so you can see his reads before Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc Like I said, if he hardcore reads DP as town, why is he questioning jacob? Like if he thinks DP is town, shouldnt he believe Jacob’s claim? - Many of his decisions are based on dead players: Marv would have liked, Sandro this, Rayn that. I didnt went with the eyes of: I must find scum in Koshi. I didnt like how he reacted to me being lynched then no then yes. Felt like he was trying to prepare the scenario of “I told you so”, which I know, it will happen because I am VT. There are more things quoted, and I am phoneposting atm. I dont think I am going to get on the computer because I am tired and almost midnight. If you think is worth to talk to me please do so. If you think my case is trash ignore me. Your case isn't thrash. For someone else it might even be good. In Koshis case however it just does not really work. You will always find loads of inconsistency and illogical borderline idiotic behavior in his town play. It is also perfectly in line that he sheeps the reads of dead players. Unfortunately, only very selectively and usually the wrong ones. He should be all for what I am doing in respecting marvs read but he isn't. Which is irrational but totally expectable.
But how do you explain the
Heeyy cake is town, maybe not, maybe yes, if ve is town, if ve is mafia, yes, no.
Is that normal?
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On March 14 2024 06:07 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 06:04 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:On March 14 2024 05:36 iamperfection wrote:
And I feel like you just went through koshis filter trying to find any inconsistency possible. Also not explaining why said inconsistency makes koshi mafia - Koshi says I am unreadable and then says he can read me, then even dares to say he tone reads me. - Koshi is like Oats I need to kill you and then says “yes, I was wrong about Oats” Oats also wanted to mayor Koshi. - He hardcore townreads DP but suspects Jacob??? Even when he claimed gunsmith? He even says “Is jacob even the gunsmith?” Post #4745 so you can see his reads before Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc Like I said, if he hardcore reads DP as town, why is he questioning jacob? Like if he thinks DP is town, shouldnt he believe Jacob’s claim? - Many of his decisions are based on dead players: Marv would have liked, Sandro this, Rayn that. I didnt went with the eyes of: I must find scum in Koshi. I didnt like how he reacted to me being lynched then no then yes. Felt like he was trying to prepare the scenario of “I told you so”, which I know, it will happen because I am VT. There are more things quoted, and I am phoneposting atm. I dont think I am going to get on the computer because I am tired and almost midnight. If you think is worth to talk to me please do so. If you think my case is trash ignore me. Your case isn't thrash. For someone else it might even be good. In Koshis case however it just does not really work. You will always find loads of inconsistency and illogical borderline idiotic behavior in his town play. It is also perfectly in line that he sheeps the reads of dead players. Unfortunately, only very selectively and usually the wrong ones. He should be all for what I am doing in respecting marvs read but he isn't. Which is irrational but totally expectable. But how do you explain the Heeyy cake is town, maybe not, maybe yes, if ve is town, if ve is mafia, yes, no. Is that normal?
Yes.
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Isnt Koshi a top tier player?
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On March 14 2024 06:24 CopCake wrote:
🤦🏾♀️
Isnt Koshi a top tier player?
Hit and miss :D
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Whyyyyy have my mafia team killed koshi night 1 in my past two games then?
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Because he cannot be mislynched as town. And sometimes he also has good reads. Don't know if that was the case in your games.
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I am sorry Koshi, I have no words.
I wont post in a whole day.
It is Palmar then.
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I am currently reading Jealous filter and I remember why I basically ignored him so far. I am literally falling asleep reading this. I feel like I am being unfair by saying this since he clearly put in a lot of effort but so far I saw nothing controversial at all and I constantly catch myself glossing over parts. Will try again tomorrow when I am less tired.
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On March 14 2024 04:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 04:14 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Palmar didn‘t notice the guy who didn‘t post for half a day started out by claiming VT. TTS and hapa are mischaracterized. TTs played early, then fucked off. For hapa it‘s the opposite. You can interchangeably use his reasons for his TtS and Hapa verdicts. They are barely different. It‘s fake. His Oats read was also extremely subpar. I know I repeat myself but now with the flip I am even more suspicious. Because he had to save himself and bussed a teammate weakly, then let himself get convinced Oats was town. Town!Palmar could have done more there.
And should have.
It was an objectively correct read, because it was right for the right reasons.
I just got sidetracked by people calling me mafia and then Oats pocket defending me.
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