A Classy Game of Mafia - Page 385

On March 14 2024 04:41 Koshi wrote:
How both Palmar and JAT do not turn on each other or even easier me is beyond me.

There is mafia within us 3. That is obvious after that flip.

But no hostility or investigation at first. The wheels did not do clickclickclick.

On March 05 2024 05:24 Koshi wrote:
I am on page 25 right now and I am not getting anything out of it anymore.

Oats posts too much to be lynched today. I don't enjoy reading his posts but that doesn't make him mafia. I think he deserves time to develop his play due to activity.

Copcake is unreadable. I don't feel like she is hiding though. I just don't get what she is thinking yet.

tfrel I will filter right now. He is also in my null pile with all these people but the most in hiding.

Slam is being slam. Not going to go further into that. He can stay alive, but if rayn kills him I won't be upset.

mebaby made bad posts and a couple sensible posts after that doesn't change that. She is in red territory but won't be lynched most likely because she is active enough. (shouldn't be lynched d1 in such a big game imo)

On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:

page 36 and too angry to continue.

But

town:
iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor.
dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way.
Vivax I like him
MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way

Null
Oats

Mafia
DMB because bad start
TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance
Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe.
marv because he can die

On March 07 2024 05:43 Koshi wrote:

Vivax is never mafia. He is too active, too funny and he is making really good observations.
The other 2 are fair game if you want to pursue them.
I think DP could be mafia. We should limit his posts to 60 for D2. If he does more we policy lynch him.
I think he very well could be mafia shitting up this thread.

On March 08 2024 02:28 Koshi wrote:

Yeah. Why not shoot slam.
Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?

But then marv is mafia.

On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:

CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.

On March 08 2024 17:18 Koshi wrote:

You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested.
I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE.
MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch)
Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch.
Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.

My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck)

So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn)

And then TTS who could be anything.

On March 09 2024 03:46 Koshi wrote:
Oats got to say. You did everything right.
If people complain about effort in future games I will post your performance. Solid through entire game and this town has no balls. Yesterday I was proud to be in this town. Today I am ashamed.

On March 09 2024 07:33 Koshi wrote:
Worst math I have seen in a while.
If they have a framer, the chance they picked Oats is the only thing you need to calculate. Add the chance of a miller in there and you know the odds.

The chance they picked Oats is high because our cop decided to bold his fucking name in his reads post after claiming cop.

Chance of Slam not being town and cop is low.


Our blues and DP are so fucking bad that mafia has 1 rb and 3 blues to pick from.

So I guess 2 die tonight. And no tears will be shred.

On March 09 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess.

On March 09 2024 02:19 Koshi wrote:

Why is rayns death important?

On March 09 2024 08:00 Koshi wrote:
Also me being alive.
If cc and Oats are mafia I am basically playing for the mafia team.
Add in that I prevented a blue rayn from being Mayor.

Ohboi

On March 10 2024 18:54 Koshi wrote:
Lynching Copcake is a mistake.
I would prefer ve or anything else that is consistent from marv and rayn filter.

On March 11 2024 04:19 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba spent a decent amount of posts calling me mafia, Oats town and copcake mafia.

If we disregard those, not that much is left except that list I quoted earlier.

So VE+Rels is mafia.

On March 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:

VE Rels MZ DMB

All other reads are silly.
But if you really want to go there I guess
Koshi
JAT
CC (only cuz sandroba)
Palmar (only cuz rayn)

Idiotic reads would be:
iamp
Jacob
DP

I forgot other people

On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
marv would also always lynched VE over cc.

On March 11 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:

Ohyeah. Him. Forgot he was in the game. He rarely posts.

On March 11 2024 08:44 Koshi wrote:

Only if VE isnt mafia.

Why go against rayn marv and sandroba to get this cc lynch?

On March 11 2024 19:24 Koshi wrote:
Ok so Rels is town and played really good.

On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:

i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die.
We shouldn't do tfrel first.

rayn or marv. Let's go big.

On March 14 2024 04:44 justanothertownie wrote:

You can keep screaming about it for a while if you wish. I will not let you rush me doing anything - there is more than enough time and unlike today I will be able to spend a good portion of tomorrow on this game.
I don't think there is mafia within us 3 though.

On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote:
This is the read in which DP is town

Night 1.-

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Conclusion: In my opinion, a mafia vig went for Slam, and Rayn saved him. This is not confirmed, but it is the most likely scenario. I also think Vivax was blocked during this phase. It is not confirmed, but it is very probable.

Night 2.-

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Conclusion: In this case, it is very likely that Vivax got blocked (duh), and Slam died. This makes me very certain there is a roleblocker. Assuming there is a JK and a Confirmed JOAT, I think balance-wise, there should be a roleblocker, but that is my view of this world.


Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because
1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon."

2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP.

Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town.

Night 3

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This is a bit tricky because I will be assuming things according to what I have seen in the relationship between DP and Jacob so far in this game and the other. DP has shown a soft side for his Aussie boys, TTT and Jacob, who, regardless of whether Jacob is right on his reads according to DP or not in an opinion, DP would take a deep breath and try to think about Jacob's point of view.

In addition, Jacob's death does not add any new information to the thread except for confirming that he was the gunsmith and that the crazy theory that got planted of Jacob-DMB-DP does not exist. Most people were already assuming he was the gunsmith; tone-wise, Jacob sounded bubbly, adorable, free, and happy. His enthusiasm was pretty townie.

Nevertheless, why Jacob and not DP? DP has a more strong presence. This is from my POV, but it is because the mafia more likely wants DP vs Cake and that we fuck up.

Marv is an excellent player, and he was one of the people who said, "DP, Cake, please stop."
Jacob also was, "Cake, DP is town," and yesterday he said, "I think Cake is town DP."

Killing a confirmed blue role is not surprising. If they had killed DP, Jacob would have been confirmed. Killing Jacob doesn't confirm DP; that is why DP is alive if he is in town.

If DP is town, the mafia wants the rest of the townies to have paranoia over DP. Let's say DP gets to lynch me; I flip town; who looks BAD?

I would assume DP would get all fuck this shit, fuck you, cake, you played so scummy, fuck I need to rearrange my ideas. If he is town, I would believe he would get extremely frustrated and probably a bit - sad?, maybe - because I think he is like a big bear that is super deadly but also has this - soft - side. I mean, he is friends with Jacob, so I guess he is between TTT (who is super serious) and a little less bubbly and shiny than Jacob.


In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy.

So that leaves us with these reads from the top of my head. I want to filter dive them with scrutinity but who am I kidding? I might not be able to do it because - irl -

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So in conclusion:

Koshi/Rels/Someone

If DP is town, Koshi fits the "let us make DP and Cake fight" besides there are these posts

Koshi claims I am unreadable and then that he has read me once. If he cant read me how is he townreading me so hard atm?







Here he tells me DP mafia, later he says DP is town. Just remember this.






Here I was considering why Mafia didnt kill Slam, but Koshi threw the shade of - Slam might be not blue and lied - to protect Oats?






Here he thinks DP is town (Remember when he told me DP could be mafia) and comments about me like yeah cake is townie but she can be traitor



but at the same time, inmediatly considers Jacob not Gunsmith? If you read DP town, shouldnt Koshi consider Jacob lock town there? Here he also says OATS needs to die but later does everything to save him.




He also uses a lot of emo posts to save OATS





This is also TMI, like how can you be so sure DP is town? LOL




Then we have these weird sequence


But when I questioned Rayn´s death




We also have Koshi calling me mafia many times



Then




He is also this dead person said this BUT these are also better lynches.



"Only because Sandroba"



Dude... Stop making DEAD PEOPLE THE REASON OF YOUR LYNCHES




Here he says that Darth barely posts if I understood correctly but another posts he says that should be Policy that Darth shoul not post a lot?





Stop having dead people do your reads wtf, COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS


I also noticed with his filter he called MZ several times scummy and suddenly trusts him so hard lol
but I am too lazy to go back and quote everything.

He also spends a lot of Time calling Rels mafia and suddenly





He also has stuff like this:





Some fun fact by one of our scummy confirmed mafia:

I was the first vote of the voting thread and it was Oats, second was Oats voting Slam, lol. Looks like that guy knew were to put his fangs because he was also being very creepy with DMB.

Oats wanted to mayor Koshi

Oats praised Koshi

Ok I am tired so

##Vote: Koshi

On March 14 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:

So why not.palmar in your world?

On March 14 2024 04:46 Koshi wrote:

Oh then you have 3 mafia in a group of 4?
I didnt realize you solved the game.

On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote:

Night 2.-

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Conclusion: In this case, it is very likely that Vivax got blocked (duh), and Slam died. This makes me very certain there is a roleblocker. Assuming there is a JK and a Confirmed JOAT, I think balance-wise, there should be a roleblocker, but that is my view of this world.


Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because
1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon."

2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP.

Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town.

In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy.

On March 14 2024 05:10 iamperfection wrote:
What are your reasons for clearing dmb I don't understand.

On March 14 2024 05:23 justanothertownie wrote:

I feel at this point this logic has been debunked several times. Mafia literally could not risk roleblocking dp no matter who he was going to shoot since otherwise they could not kill slam (or even worse get a shot blocked directly at the source). They obviously decided to take the risk since TTS was the most obvious target next to you maybe. This does not clear anybody. Especially if you are town.
If you have other reasons for townreading dmb feel free to share though. I take it you are in a mason chat.

How much experience do you have playing with Koshi?

On March 14 2024 05:28 CopCake wrote:


I answered above and last two games I remember I have played with him I have killed him.

On March 14 2024 05:24 CopCake wrote:


I think I have said it before, the way Oats weird votes on her, the way she is trying and questioning everything, the less drama “Plssssssss lynchhhh meeeee and not HolyFlare” to win towncred, the fact she was one of the people DP wanted to kill.

On March 14 2024 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Damn, some of those Koshi posts look even worse than I remember them to be. Good dig, CopCake.

I think the "pitting DP against CopCake" seems a bit too paranoid for me to jump on. DP seems like the type of person who would do whatever they felt like, whenever they felt like it. I doubt anyone could coerce him to cause drama for no reason. This is probably aided by the fact that I perceived a lot of your posts/"style" the same way he did, and no one pushed me to do that, either.

Back to Koshi, the changes in reads on people like MZ feel almost gut-based, or at least they are not fully explained. I don't think that's necessarily AI overall; several people here seem to hop from one wagon to another, change their reads on a dime, etc. and they can't all be scum. Specific instances can open the window for pressure though, so I like that CopCake pointed out specific inconsistencies. Let's see what Koshi does in response.