On March 08 2024 15:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Alright Palmar:
He has 11 pages, that’s really surprising to me tbh, again like I said earlier with rels, if I can’t remember what you posted, that’s bad.
On March 05 2024 22:48 Palmar wrote:
I need Sandroba to come convince me his mason buddies aren't just mafia.
I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it.
I really don’t like this post, it has the inbuilt assumption that Sandro is town and the only other post that Palmar made preceding this about Sandro he expressed suspicion at the 3 in the Mason group. It not a natural anything. Palmar is just posting for the sake of posting.
He then comes back to this Sandro read and justifies it after the fact as if he arrived at it later on which is obviously not the case.
On March 06 2024 06:46 Palmar wrote:Marv is very, very, very likely to be mafia.
I already didn't love his stance on the Vivax thing and his tone in the thread. Then this line of thinking is really what's sealing the deal.
On March 06 2024 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:09 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar?
No idea.
Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game.
Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game.
Unless....
You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread.
In your mind this is town marv coming after you?
I don't know.
I want marv to be happier, more excited, and maybe a little friendlier.
But I don't really think I can call him mafia for being lazy and boring. He does after all have his little mason society to retreat to.
Mostly, I kinda just don't care at the moment. Marv has integrity and respect for the game. He is, usually, to be counted on to continue playing past day 1, and he is good enough that he can be forced to participate usefully or die. Even if I'm kinda suspicious, or at least uncomfortable, about his alignment at the moment, it's not a productive venue for today.
Also, his reaction to me actually playing the game is going to be very interesting.
Mafia. Should be calling me bad. Isn’t. Mafia.
This isn't a valid complaint.
I'm not gonna call marv bad when he votes for me. In fact, I kinda understand why he voted for me early on. I had done very little as I was busy yesterday. Today I produced a long filter with all kinds of reads and explanations of them and that did absolutely nothing to budge his opinion on me.
I don't really know what sandroba thinks of me but he did come back and kinda changed his mind, at least moved off the scumread a little bit. But marv is dug in. He is not this certain about my alignment if he's town. There should be some doubt in him.
I actually think Oats looks a lot better for this observation
On March 06 2024 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I’m trying to wrap my head around this Palmar push by marv and what it means for marvs alignment.
I think Palmar has been way more townie this last like 5 pages and that only seems to solidify marvs read
Like this is what I expect people to do who don't just want a kill.
I don't think marv is bad, I just think he's scum.
And if ANYONE buys this logic with me dead, that person is an infinite moron.
On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar?
No idea.
Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game.
Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game.
Unless....
You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread.
You’re fairly close. And those things remain consistent despite your time allowances.
And they’re absent here.
So you’re mafia.
And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town 
I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia.
You know this.
If you were town you’d be much more actively calling me stupid and all those normal things. But you’re not.
This is not true.
This read is a lotta words for calling marv scum cause bad. I mean just read it, there’s no logical consistency for why Palmar has such a strong read on Marv based on the evidence he provides
On March 06 2024 19:53 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 19:47 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:44 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 06 2024 19:42 CopCake wrote:
Can someone link me the infamous "DP was mafia" game?
Tbh I think dps filter is massive. So big I don't think he's ever had a filter this size before as mafia. If he's mafia he has taken it to heights since unknown.
His recent game in which he fooled grack, rayn and idk who else, oats?
Ok if you're town and you admit you suck as town, maybe listen to some experience.
DP is very good as mafia and can be mafia here.
But it's a huge game and we need to prioritize. We're not lynching people who are making sense, making good calls and leading town when we have plenty of lower hanging fruit to go after. You HAVE to be willing to be wrong to be good at town. You can always change your mind later. I was wrong so much last game and ended up back to back supporting lynch on mafia I had called town to win the game last game. And doing so I sheeped/supported people I had (wrongly) called mafia all game.
Re-evaluating based on game state is NOT A BAD THING. Killing a town leader with a huge filter and good takes is just tinfoil hat bad play. No need to be a hero when there's administrative tasks to be finished first. If DP is mafia we'll cross that bridge when we get there. You're not using your time efficiently by chasing him at the moment. We'll cross that bridge when we get there.
People are really afraid of "getting fooled" by good mafia, but the reality it's so much worse to get fooled by bad mafia. If let's say... TTS and DP are both mafia, I'd much rather be fooled by DP than TTS.
This is just a classic mafia advice post that pushes nothing but appears to be helpful by telling cake to move along
On March 07 2024 00:56 Palmar wrote:On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I entirely dislike that you even have a thought in your head at any point of the game that me and marv are mafia together (which you had as per your posts). And i think it makes you mafia.
Again, I understand you disliking it, but now that I've reminded you that these kind of associative reads don't really matter to me as town, doesn't that change your stance?
This is after Palmar expresses a scumread on rayn, during their conversation. Does this sound like someone who thinks that the person he’s talking to is town? I don’t think so and I think it’s clear he tried to attempt to distance from the flip.
There’s just nothing from day 2 besides using bad math to justify lynching me, no engagement just checking boxes.
This was longer than I thought it was but yeah this is where my current read on Palmar is.
@copcake from what I can tell from the voting around Palmar going from lead lynch to no votes was marv dropping his read along with trfel getting wagoned on but it’s a mixed bag with slam and vivax on that wagon too so I’m not really sure if there was mafia involvement
EPT
