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Did a quick dive on Palmar before I have to head out again. Based on D1 alone, I think he basically has to be town. I'll explain my thinking in the form of questions:
1. Would scum!Palmar immediately bus scum!Oats and scum!TTS practically out the gate?
2. Would scum!Palmar go along with town sentiment to elect Vivax mayor instead of what he claims is his preference, which is to lynch him for the claim?
To make an addendum to #2, if we believe what Palmar is saying about wanting to lynch Vivax for the claim, I think the only world in which scum!Palmar simply gives up and lets Vivax have the election without offering resistance is if it's scum!Palmar and scum!Vivax, and if it's scum!Vivax then it basically has to be scum!DP and they bussed TTS. So, I think this is practically impossible. Therefore, I think based on this foundation, scum!Palmar is incredibly unlikely to me at this juncture.
I'll refine further when I get back but this is what I have so far.
Quotes for reference, non-exhaustive list (he makes other posts re: Vivax running for mayor, Oats, etc):
+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. [B]On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though.
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On March 14 2024 13:07 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:A lot of things have bothered me today. Copcake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because Jat says thats how koshi plays and then votes palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting???? I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask. However in my eyes palmar is the most likely mafia. The me dropping the Koshi case is because no one said “good catch!” Except jelaous so I believed I was wrong
Lmao the shade TT__TT
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On March 14 2024 13:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Ahh fuck broken links
I demand that the missing pictures be shared posthaste.
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On March 14 2024 18:12 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 13:07 CopCake wrote:On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:A lot of things have bothered me today. Copcake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because Jat says thats how koshi plays and then votes palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting???? I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask. However in my eyes palmar is the most likely mafia. The me dropping the Koshi case is because no one said “good catch!” Except jelaous so I believed I was wrong Hahahahahahaha. RIP Jealous.
Glad I wasn't the only one to see it TT__TT
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On March 14 2024 18:50 Palmar wrote:
Unfortunately I guess what I need is to get CC in the thread somehow and actually argue with her and I really, really don't like arguing with insane people.
@CC when you see this, lay out (again, I know I've asked you to do this before) why you're voting for me. Preferably make it at least 2 or 3 paragraphs. I don't need quotes of my posts unless you want to, just an outline of why you think I'm scum this game.
On March 14 2024 16:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 12:08 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 12:07 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 07:03 Palmar wrote:Too many people have decided to play weird this game too. Like we should objectively lynch CC for making absolutely no sense. Her reads are terrible, and the way in which she achieves them is terrible. Her constant tinfoiling is super annoying and doesn't actually help anyone. Do I know if she's mafia for it? No. I'm probably going to vote her this cycle because I see no chance of getting iamp killed this cycle. Also, this has been in the back of my mind the entire game, because it was like the one point I agreed with rayn on when we were arguing on N1 On March 06 2024 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 21:40 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why do you* I dont think he is town. Its impossible youthink DP is pocketing Palmar if you dont think Palmar is town, if youre town. So i guess youre mafia. This is a good post, why did it take you forever to see this though? Why not see this last phase When i pointed it out? Why is cake 'deciding to play weird' and not just mafia? Because people play like mafia as town all the time and I keep lynching them for it and they keep flipping town. VE this game. Vivax last game. Etc How the hell am I supposed to now CC isn’t just a logically compromised crazy person.
On March 14 2024 12:36 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 12:27 DarthPunk wrote:
Perfection do you think cake and palmar can be partnered? I dont think its impossible. Cop is more just confounding. I dont understand the way they think at all.I think cop is more likely to be town the palmar though.
Why does it feel like some of you people are just saying this now?
I know DP was on this wavelength with me all the way back in D2 when we were in mason chat, but where were all of you?
If such a huge proportion of a players' posts are directionless or non-sequitur, isn't that anti-town?
If we all posted in confounding ways, how would any game ever get solved?
And somehow it's being held against me that I've parked my vote on the most consistently "confounding" "crazy" "insane" person in the game? Stop gaslighting me.
Besides that Koshi dive she wrote, basically nothing has significantly moved the needle on CopCake's alignment for me. I can't recall a solid argument from any of you as to why CopCake is town besides meta reads and *shrug*.
So, the same way Vivax basically asked me to "prove" I am town (lol), can someone "prove" to me that CopCake is more likely to be town than scum at this point?
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On March 14 2024 16:00 CopCake wrote:
Btw Jelaous, do you think I explained why Koshi looks scummy in those posts or not and why?
I think you explained why you believe Koshi looks scummy and I was able to follow your reasoning for the most part. I do agree that in a vacuum, some of the things you pointed out would make a person look scummy.
However, I would like to point out that if unexplained, random inconsistency is a scummy trait, you must then concede that my case on you holds about as much water.
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On March 15 2024 00:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:45 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 00:42 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 00:41 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 00:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 00:39 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if JAT asking marv to switch to VE was him trying to get Oats not lynched. Because they needed 2 votes. When did that ever happen? Quotes please. I can only do an indirect quote. No I cant cuz I dont want to go search. But somebody recently said: "JAT asked permission on marv to move to Oats" Ah, somebody said, eh? You are full of shit. With all due respect. I'll go look.
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=127#2530
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On March 15 2024 01:01 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:52 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 00:45 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 00:42 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 00:41 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 00:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 00:39 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if JAT asking marv to switch to VE was him trying to get Oats not lynched. Because they needed 2 votes. When did that ever happen? Quotes please. I can only do an indirect quote. No I cant cuz I dont want to go search. But somebody recently said: "JAT asked permission on marv to move to Oats" Ah, somebody said, eh? You are full of shit. With all due respect. I'll go look. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=127#2530
This post follows a similar logic but applies to a different scenario, found it while I was looking:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=165#3291
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On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote:
I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town.
Oh okay. I must be playing the game wrong.
Sky is green. $evntyfive por cento chance-a-mundo that u r scum. Whiz bang waffle.
##Vote: Jealous
^ There's my proof that I'm town.
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On March 15 2024 01:03 justanothertownie wrote:
Both of those posts have nothing to do with what Koshi said.
Whoops. Guess it's a more common trope than I thought. When he mentioned the permission thing, that first link was what I thought of.
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On March 15 2024 01:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 01:04 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote:
I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town. Oh okay. I must be playing the game wrong. Sky is green. $evntyfive por cento chance-a-mundo that u r scum. Whiz bang waffle. ##Vote: Jealous^ There's my proof that I'm town. Doesn’t work when you do it lol.
u_u
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On March 15 2024 01:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 01:04 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote:
I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town. Oh okay. I must be playing the game wrong. Sky is green. $evntyfive por cento chance-a-mundo that u r scum. Whiz bang waffle. ##Vote: Jealous^ There's my proof that I'm town. Actually I just realized you're one of the people I noticed was straggler voting when I woke up. Are you going to leave your vote on CC?
Addressed previously:
On March 14 2024 00:17 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 23:59 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote:
Koshi I will lynch Palmar with you if you look at Jealous.
I think he's the guy with the good role.
There's just nothing townie about what he did today. Nothing. You don't have to read an entire filter just from the start of this day and end of night when he was talking to Rels.
He jumped to a copcake vote from an associative of him not being mafia with her. Please stop the misrep, it's getting embarrassing. You've been reading this game wrong since Day 1, maybe it's time to start questioning your world view. For example: On March 09 2024 15:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 13:03 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 13:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:53 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 12:49 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:21 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote:
Very good play by Oats.
Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely. So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats? Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon? And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons? Hmm 🤔 Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this. It‘s the same wifom from him not claiming BG or ccing or claiming another role that made him look townie to me today. Need to reread beginning of a D1 tbh because he seemed off to me and DP. Later I tried to get traction too but can‘t remember who blocked. So you do think it was a double bus? Because otherwise there would be no reason to lynch VE after Oats if it wasn't, right? How should I know ? I don‘t even think about it because it‘s easier to lynch VE and find out.
It‘s like you are trying to construct a ve is town narrative because I can‘t prove it‘s not a double bus smh One last thing I realized before I pass out, it's like you are trying to construct a triple bus narrative with the bolded above. Namely, by saying that scum!Jealous would defend scum!VE by not voting for scum!VE over scum!Oats and being one of the people who was first to vote for scum!Oats against scum!Oats' direct pressure against scum!Jealous and scum!Jealous remaining on the scum!Oats wagon. In this world, scum!Jealous pressures you on your scum!VE narrative right after the lynch to make it the full triple triangle super scum bus, right? Pretty sure that is the only way to interpret your accusation. TLDR: Do you really think that scum!Jealous + scum!Oats + scum!VE and triple bus by scum!Jealous makes sense, which is the narrative you were trying to paint here? You never answered (why?), but you do see how stupid this narrative was, right? To your slight credit you at least ended up on CopCake instead of VE, but the fact remains that immediately after you nearly achieved a ML on VE over a redchecked Oats on D2 you were ready to do it again D3. The great part of the above quote is that it serves as further evidence that I've consistently considered CopCake my top scum both before and after the redcheck, and since then (because I'm pushing back against your decision to lynch VE D3, just for clarity). Nothing about her play has significantly changed or changed my perspective on that - so why would I pivot off of it? You misrep my case on CopCake because you simply don't bother to read my filter where I made several cases on her. In fact, you seem to have skipped my most recent post which conveniently outlined a summary of my previous points for you. Somehow this is now just an association vote. Fuck outta here with that. Go ahead and tunnel on me, I'm not going to bother defending myself further against a person who misreps me after refusing to read my filter. Will you vote palmar? If it starts looking like my vote on CopCake will be a waste, I will consider it. I'm certainly not confident enough in my read on him at this time to outright discount it. I've been following the discourse on Palmar and I do understand the points being made against him. What somewhat bothers me is that he has been pretty consistent in his overall approach to the game, which seems like a foolish thing to do when it's what's netting you scum reads and pressure if you can help it, which I think Palmar can. Furthermore, there are potentially points to be made against the people making the pushes (some of them, including you, are not my firmest town reads at this point). So, I don't feel comfortable just sheeping it when in my mind CopCake has been a more egregious dumpster fire. However, that might be just because I haven't read Palmar's filter in a while. Before the cycle is done, I will do that + reread the past few pages of cases made against Palmar to see if it clicks for me.
Though my D1 filtering of Palmar seems too townie for me at the moment to consider him my #1 alternative lynch to CopCake. Will have to finish that dive later today to be sure, got back home too tired yesterday.
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On March 15 2024 05:20 CopCake wrote:
Iamp also started the Tfrel wagon.
Iamp saved me.
So you think he intentionally painted a target on his back as scum?
Or was this a scum slip?
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On March 15 2024 07:54 iamperfection wrote:
where does jealous live do we know ?
States as DP said, just got off work and am finishing my Palmar filter post that I started yesterday.
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On March 15 2024 08:01 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 11:02 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. Oh I thought it was going to be about some back and forth between you and CC that made it impossible to be partner, a little disappointed :p Really disagree with the martyring part. First, I already found a post from anoter scum game of her where she martyred. Second, you cannot know she wasn't there, ready to ninja vote VE at the last minute if needed I mean, there wasn't that much back-and-forth because after a while she just stopped responding to me in any intelligible manner, but I was lock CopCake the whole time and was who I focused my energy on casing several times D2. Point being, if you think that I can pretend to push CopCake, and CopCake can pretend to be upset with me, and then we both risk her getting lynched, then we would have to be good actors. Really didn't think this would be a controversial take or something that needs explaining but maybe you weren't following closely. Anyway: ##Vote: CopCake I think i brought this up earlier but i thought this was odd. Back to back posts. Saying that cop hurt posting felt genuine then voting immediately
I even pointed out that this is hypocritical. It did feel genuine to me, but even scum being called out for their dumb takes can get butthurt about it. It was enough to make the needle move slightly for me but it doesn't outweigh everything else she's said/done throughout the game. Still, it can be an act, and if it is, it's a really good one, which is my point in this context.
Core of the post though was that I don't see any world where the CC/Jealous team makes sense unless we're both actors of that level.
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On March 15 2024 08:17 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 08:15 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 08:01 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. On March 13 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 11:02 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. Oh I thought it was going to be about some back and forth between you and CC that made it impossible to be partner, a little disappointed :p Really disagree with the martyring part. First, I already found a post from anoter scum game of her where she martyred. Second, you cannot know she wasn't there, ready to ninja vote VE at the last minute if needed I mean, there wasn't that much back-and-forth because after a while she just stopped responding to me in any intelligible manner, but I was lock CopCake the whole time and was who I focused my energy on casing several times D2. Point being, if you think that I can pretend to push CopCake, and CopCake can pretend to be upset with me, and then we both risk her getting lynched, then we would have to be good actors. Really didn't think this would be a controversial take or something that needs explaining but maybe you weren't following closely. Anyway: ##Vote: CopCake I think i brought this up earlier but i thought this was odd. Back to back posts. Saying that cop hurt posting felt genuine then voting immediately I even pointed out that this is hypocritical. It did feel genuine to me, but even scum being called out for their dumb takes can get butthurt about it. It was enough to make the needle move slightly for me but it doesn't outweigh everything else she's said/done throughout the game. Still, it can be an act, and if it is, it's a really good one, which is my point in this context. Core of the post though was that I don't see any world where the CC/Jealous team makes sense unless we're both actors of that level. have you seen the dick move analysis?
That because she says she is going to get a replacement, that she is town? I'm tired of the theatrics tbh.
Trying to understand CopCake is exhausting in itself, so trying to untangle whether this is an act or not on top of that is just not worth the brainpower. If she's town, she fulfills her prophecy of being absolutely shit as town. If she's scum, I guess it would be her second time fulfilling the prophecy that she's "good" as scum by saving herself with emotional appeals (which she said were tasteless in this very game btw).
I think it's a fucking garbage situation and people who play like that shouldn't be allowed to play, period, regardless of alignment. But, because people decided to lynch VE instead, this is our world now, and if I get lynched today, for me it means that the nightmare of trying to lynch the player who made the most inane, manipulative, and scummy plays in the game is finally over. Will be fun watching Vivax have egg on his face, too 
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On March 15 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 08:28 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 08:17 iamperfection wrote:On March 15 2024 08:15 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 08:01 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. On March 13 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 11:02 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:
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CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. Oh I thought it was going to be about some back and forth between you and CC that made it impossible to be partner, a little disappointed :p Really disagree with the martyring part. First, I already found a post from anoter scum game of her where she martyred. Second, you cannot know she wasn't there, ready to ninja vote VE at the last minute if needed I mean, there wasn't that much back-and-forth because after a while she just stopped responding to me in any intelligible manner, but I was lock CopCake the whole time and was who I focused my energy on casing several times D2. Point being, if you think that I can pretend to push CopCake, and CopCake can pretend to be upset with me, and then we both risk her getting lynched, then we would have to be good actors. Really didn't think this would be a controversial take or something that needs explaining but maybe you weren't following closely. Anyway: ##Vote: CopCake I think i brought this up earlier but i thought this was odd. Back to back posts. Saying that cop hurt posting felt genuine then voting immediately I even pointed out that this is hypocritical. It did feel genuine to me, but even scum being called out for their dumb takes can get butthurt about it. It was enough to make the needle move slightly for me but it doesn't outweigh everything else she's said/done throughout the game. Still, it can be an act, and if it is, it's a really good one, which is my point in this context. Core of the post though was that I don't see any world where the CC/Jealous team makes sense unless we're both actors of that level. have you seen the dick move analysis? That because she says she is going to get a replacement, that she is town? I'm tired of the theatrics tbh. Trying to understand CopCake is exhausting in itself, so trying to untangle whether this is an act or not on top of that is just not worth the brainpower. If she's town, she fulfills her prophecy of being absolutely shit as town. If she's scum, I guess it would be her second time fulfilling the prophecy that she's "good" as scum by saving herself with emotional appeals (which she said were tasteless in this very game btw). I think it's a fucking garbage situation and people who play like that shouldn't be allowed to play, period, regardless of alignment. But, because people decided to lynch VE instead, this is our world now, and if I get lynched today, for me it means that the nightmare of trying to lynch the player who made the most inane, manipulative, and scummy plays in the game is finally over. Will be fun watching Vivax have egg on his face, too I completely agree but it’s time to move on to something else imo
I was literally asked the question, though. Should I have just ignored it?
This is still my strongest scum read at the moment, and no matter what:
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On March 15 2024 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:You sussing koshi and perfection here?
FWIW CopCake doesn't look great here either but what else is new.
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Frankly I'm finding it hard to summon the fucks to give after defending myself against Vivax's constant misrepping and his shitty way of applying pressure.
My current analysis is that what we have going on right now is either:
1. Mafia eating popcorn in the background watching town cannibalize itself and making townies squirm, or
2. Mafia riding the wave of thread sentiment and voting as a spread-out bloc, mixed in with aggressive tunneled townies like Vivax likely/hopefully is, for the same purposes.
I think this is one of those times where seeing the pattern of crossed out names might actually be interesting to look into, but I ain't doin' all that.
Anyway, now that the tides have shifted again, it's supposedly my turn to "prove" I'm town as Vivax said. So, I'm finishing my Palmar read, which frankly isn't going great because there is enough in that bloat that there is evidence of him both operating in seemingly genuine townie fashion and moments where he seems just downright lazy and "coasting" because he isn't a primary target. But since I've already started, gonna finish that up and head out for dinner, but I'll tune back in for EOD.
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