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On December 17 2023 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you want my town list and quick reasons for it, it is:
marv -- sandroba thing D2, and being on sandroba D1
Trfel -- Chezinu being on his ass all game, not 100% certain here because i know another game where Chezinu bussed exactly Trfel all game, but still very unlikely
DMB -- not wanting to lynch Vivax D1, they are partners, Vivax would get her ass lynched if not dead, she contributed towards NOT getting Vivax lynched
Slam -- lynched Chezinu D2, until he didn't want to, but i don't think that matter that much
This point on DMB I believe is NAI. If DMB is mafia, Vivax knows she is online EOD and she likely expects that Vivax would call her out if she doesn't post anything, at that point thread sentiment is already that Vivax looks townie. Not sure what mafia DMB can do in that situation besides what she did without completely outing herself to Vivax.
Vivax's numer 1 read was that I was scum, DMB does not really ever pursue that read, she waits for EOD2 to take a real stance and vote. If DMB is townie I would expect her to be all over my ass since not only I'm her town partner main read, but also the counter wagon to him D1. But instead, she behaves like mafia - pops in with an excuse, tells she will do stuff later and never really does it.
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Poker about to start, will come back tomorrow
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Trfel is like one of my top town reads atm
Won't ever lynch him or marv
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Marv, can you point to me a game with the best or one of the best scum performances by HF?
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I'll have limited time to read and post today. Probably only 2 hours when my son naps and skimming in the phone here and there
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On December 17 2023 22:16 Palmar wrote:
If you believe your Palmar/dmb thesis, you can’t really argue the point that I’ve objectively far more than her. Throw in that if you believe it a bunch of people who you think are town (by elimination) think I’m town and dmb may be scum (marv trfel). You should probably consider where the most likely mafia flip is in your worldview
Palmar, how is marv ever scum, unless you are saying he is scum with me?
He had all the excuse in the world to fuck off and leave his vote on me, why would he ever vote chezinu in that spot
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I'm willing to be convinced. I find a lot of HFs post extremely townie but his actions de aren't. He says he thought I was townie after palmar mason thing according to him, but never pushed this view in the thread or moved his vote
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Holy shit, if HF is mafia he is on another level. His narrative sounds super genuine right now.
If Palmar is ever town I can see it being dmb and ... Slam?
Not used to playing with godlike mafia so can't wrap my head around HF or even rayn tbh
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I'm not lynching HF today. I'm cool with Palmar or DMB. I don't think HF mafia / Palmar town Koshi is the NK. What for? If HF town / Palmar mafia makes complete sense, if both town, sure, but hard to figure out who would benefit from that as mafia besides DMB. But as HF mafia / Palmar town it's just flat out stupid. I'm not going to operate under the assumption HF is just dumb.
I don't really buy Palmar's DMB read, marv's read or even my read. He is just leaving too many doors open and if we are looking at actions when mafia is involved, Palmar is at least as bad as HF if not more. HF at least said Chez was mafia but refused to vote him (hard to believe he does it as mafia), while Palmar pretty much avoided talking about it completely and clumped him together with Slam (much more likely mafia does this).
Now I have some time, I'll read a couple HF past games for comparison.
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Just had a stupid idea - if mafia has a vigi and somehow the shot on marv got blocked (marv vet or town jailer) then I guess it's somewhat possible HF is mafia if the shots were marv + koshi.
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On December 18 2023 01:51 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 01:49 sandroba wrote:
Just had a stupid idea - if mafia has a vigi and somehow the shot on marv got blocked (marv vet or town jailer) then I guess it's somewhat possible HF is mafia if the shots were marv + koshi. Mafia doesn’t have extra kp
Why not?
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On December 18 2023 02:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 02:01 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 01:51 Palmar wrote:On December 18 2023 01:49 sandroba wrote:
Just had a stupid idea - if mafia has a vigi and somehow the shot on marv got blocked (marv vet or town jailer) then I guess it's somewhat possible HF is mafia if the shots were marv + koshi. Mafia doesn’t have extra kp Why not? Because the game is (due to 12 and not 13 people) already mafia favored. With no blues mafia wins in third mislynch. If mafia has extra kp AND roleblocker town would be swimming in blue roles and we would already have seen claims. It’s like 99% that there is one more blue in the game, probably an investigation role because we already have seen one survival role and we haven’t seen a vig shot. This is all completely pointless of course and doesn’t help us today
Agree it's a long shot, but could explain if the town has more protective roles instead of investigative.
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Reading Elementary mafia, I can see HF a lot more suspicious in there than here. He has a lot more confidence and is more aggressive here, also his posts show a lot more effort in this game showing his thought process and reevaluating.
If anybody has a newer game of HF being scum to share I'll take a look, that one is the last one on the database and is from 2018
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Basically, the argument I'm hearing from marv is:
HF is godlike scum, no matter how townie you think he behaves he can still be mafia
Palmar is trash-tier town, no matter how mafia siding he plays, how little effort he makes into making good calls, he is still town.
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Sadly I think I could convince myself Slam is scum for being too good of a townie for a few moments.
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HF please link me your best mafia performance game
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Palmar, it's not beyond HF to act confused about the setup while being mafia:
On May 27 2018 08:07 Holyflare wrote:
wait why was jealous vt?
On May 27 2018 08:07 Holyflare wrote:
???????
On May 27 2018 08:10 Holyflare wrote:that jealous flipped vt but mafia also have vts
Jealous here was his mafia teamate
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The link is broken, do you have anything on TL that's 2020+?
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Let me waste my time man, could you please just gimme a link to a scum game, maybe the one you are most proud off so I don't have to dick around trying to find stuff in that website?
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EPT
