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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 10:30 GMT
#1744
Did sandro not saying anything useful in your mason chat despite asking for it?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 10:38 GMT
#1749
this is what I basically wrote
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 10:39 GMT
#1751
most of my hold up is that he never really pushes these people he calls mafia, it seems a bit meek

but I don't really know trfel's style of play to know whether he would do that as town
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 10:39 GMT
#1752
pushes meaning votes or outright accusations, just lots of observations and following up (which is good) but not the final bits
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 10:40 GMT
#1755
ya if he's not done anything of note in the mason thing then it is what it is
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 10:41 GMT
#1756
On December 14 2023 19:40 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 02:51 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel

+ Show Spoiler [posts] +


#72
- This is the beginning of when trfel didn't like sandro. I think the highlighted part of sandro's post is extremely waffley and bad so like that he's picking it out to pre-empt what he's about to say and get a response to it. ++

#74 - Sandro responds and to me, it looks like he should be town reading slam in #73 but somehow in his original conclusion he downplays the town read. Trfel picks up on this in this post and his next post (#75), indicating that Sandro makes absolutely no read on slam whatsoever even though he writes a lot of lines about him so it's just kind of pointless. ++

There's a bunch of questions thrown out in the next few posts and at least he follows up a bit with sandro. Not sure I like that in #118 he just kinda fobs sandro's response off but I like that he expands what he's thinking to DP. Sandro's post is riddled with open-ended unsureness that didn't seem to have a purpose. I like even more that he tries to question Slam over Slam thinking that all the reactions were overblow and it could just be mafia/mafia theatre. I'm not sure I like that Slam post even (will investigate) but Trfel does a good job of trying to dig into someone that looks like they have a thought process incongruent with theirs. ++

#120 Oh, he basically says exactly what I said above and takes back the town read. Pretty good imo. ++
Same kinda vibe with questioning DP in #124

Next few posts are just a bit of back and forth with marv interjecting and talking to DP about the sureity of his sandro read and it not being very sure. I think #136 the ending feels a bit robotic "I'm very interested to see how he follows it up" is just so generic. I also think #143 is also extremely generic in a way that the post is too formulaicly worded. Like he's just going through the motions of scum reading sandro and waiting for the next step of his programming to happen without interjecting real thoughts. --

Actually kind of like the highlighted bits being pointed out in #146, they don't really make any sense to me (DP saying that mafia likes to take strong commitments early ???). I actually hate DP in these interactions lol, good thing I didn't pay enough attention to them. ++ trfel

The next few posts in #156, #157, #159 are all good responses to DP making wtf accusations and then a weird unvote. I like that Trfel wanted it followed up.

Gonna stop linking to posts now, cba. #167 is a good question to vivax. Not sure exactly what vivax was going to achieve with his sandro question and it shows trfel is still interested in interactions in and around sandro.

#169 is basically a scum read on DP without actually saying as much. I'm not sure why he stops short of outright calling DP mafia. Don't really like it. I guess you could say he doesn't really make a conclusion on sandro too although you could argue that's just a feeler content creation case with more poignant accusations. Don't like this post regardless ---

#257 Quite like the initial points on Vivax that trfel talks about but the second half of it seems like something extra tacked on for no reason. If he doesn't know what to make of the order or if it's alignment indicative why does it matter? Feels like adding words for the sake of it and a bit hypocritical in the same respect as his accusation to sandro earlier. --

#262 Think sandro mentioned this in one of his recent posts but I also don't like that he callously threw out the vivax suspicion beforehand, found out it wasn't actually true and then still used it to almost double down on ANOTHER meaningless reason to not like what vivax said. Vivax could have quite easily caught up by skimming and then gone back to poke at questions so seems pretty mediocre. ---

As a caveat to the above, in this post above he mentions that he doesn't like that DP has fallen off after the questioning of him (doesn't bring back up the other DP points he disliked before, at least not yet. Just kinda outs it which is fine imo. Don't hate it.) +

He makes some throwaway question to me asking why I think rayn is mafia, has some follow up with rayn about vivax's posts again in #272 as if that line of thought even means something anymore. Meh. At least he acknowledges that in the same post and is just more concerned with Vivax's lack of involvement.

#287 Points out that I agree with what Vivax is saying (has a overarching view of most of Vivax's posts/stances). Will await to see the conclusion to what I say before questioning whether this is a good post or not because I'd be extra curious about what I said, given my answer was something crap like "I forgot".

#328 tries to get vivax (a scum read) to comment on DP (presumably a scum read but kind of unsaid). Good follow up I guess, shows thinking about the game at least, even if an easy post. +

#335 A correct take but not sure I understand why he's more concerned about my "overall picture of play" when I've made like 2 posts. Here is where he mentions that DP is probably asleep and wants my thoughts too. Mmmm. Questionable post imo. --

#388 No reads list but Vivax/DP/Koshi (first mention)/Sandro are in his suspect list. Not sure where Koshi came from or how.

fuck me I'm bored of investing myself into playing this game it's tedious af, just gonna summarise the rest




lot more back and forth with DP about really silly nitpicking points imo. I don't think trfel's points are that bad that DP fell off after the push on him and did not much (will double check between when DP stopped pushing and went to bed to clarify). I also don't think his point about the marv push was that bad either.

Koshi read is phoning it in but fine. Shared sentiment.

#428 is a bad post (the one talking about DP sleeping with no other push in the thread). ------

his posts about DP calling sandro basically town are correct and DP's arguments are pretty bad faith

voting for vivax is consistent and I don't think #666 is that bad given his posts previously, it's pretty much just a summary of what he's been saying, not a hipster new read thing

I also kinda liked that he stopped interacting with the DP scum read, the frustration seemed real and I dunno if he'd be that frustrated as mafia? Although would he perhaps be more accusatory if he was town and thought DP was mafia and then go after him more? Maybe he's getting frustrated because he's being misrepresented and can't really fight back properly as mafia? One to think about more.

#805 is a whatever defence of marv. Perhaps unwarranted and feels a bit like his defence of me for little reason.

#815 possibly like this post

#823 does mafia trfel really make this post to a town vivax if he knows this to be true? I'm not so sure he actually does.


tl;dr

1) I think Trfel's opening posts on sandro are decent but the suspicion drops off the face of the earth. I don't like that.

2) His argument with DP is extra pointless from DP's side. I don't think the arguments that Trfel presents calling out DP are that bad other than the sleeping thing obviously which is a bit shit but not specifically what he meant. I need to check the timeline here for when DP stopped pushing Trfel and then went to bed because if it's straight away then Trfel's points are bad. If DP stays in the thread a bit aimlessly doing nothing then Trfel's points hold a lot more merit.

3) I think his Vivax suspicion is fine but he throws in a lot of extrenuous details into it that are basically meaningless and he eventually admits that. He defaults to the same kind of argument that he thinks DP is being mafia for (no thread presence or drive) which is an ok read. I actually liked his initial questioning of Vivax over his questions to Sandroba. It shows that he was interested in people interacting with his original scum read.

4) He kind of throws out some free town reads (or at least pressure appeasing reads) on me and marv out of the blue which I feel like I've seen him do before in a previous game, or at least it tickles my brain saying I have somewhere but I can't really get a feel for why he does it. Just seems out of the blue.

5) His argument with DP I think he was mostly correct on and DP was arguing in bad faith. He gets very frustrated with being misrepresented but it doesn't seem like he cares to go the extra step to call DP mafia here or campaign for him. Instead, he leaves and comes back and decides to ignore DP to stop the back and forth (which is fine) but I think he'd be more vocal about suspicions here on his return.

6) I really think that #823 is a post a mafia trfel probably doesn't make to a vivax that he knows is town?

7) I get the overall impression that Trfel is kinda sticking to scum reads and hasn't had much evolution of them? They seem a bit static, even if it appears he's questioning them.




I dunno lol, could genuinely see him being town or mafia. I'd be more inclined to call him town, although I'm fully ready to be burnt by that position. Feel like I've wasted my precious time playing this game now.


I skimmed this a bit too hard. But yeah. Imo if you are voting Tfrel you are setting up a second town wagon or he is the counterwagon.


I thought he was probably townie and then he came out with no scum reads and no real drive to do anything with that. It has since changed after I've put my vote on him but just mulling who to switch to atm.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 10:45 GMT
#1761
I will never accept anyone as a player that lets chez get away with surviving if it comes down to that at end game btw. I am like 99% sure he's mafia and we don't have a way to deal with it.

Would rather lynch someone that gives us information today obv but do not wifom yourself out of letting him live if you need to make that decision later in the game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 10:45 GMT
#1762
On December 14 2023 19:44 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 19:30 Holyflare wrote:
Did sandro not saying anything useful in your mason chat despite asking for it?

Well I do admit to not being the easiest person to talk to.

He almost exclusively wanted to talk about Trfel being mafia. I can summarize the chat quickly if you like.


ya plz
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 10:52 GMT
#1766
On December 14 2023 19:48 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 19:45 Holyflare wrote:
I will never accept anyone as a player that lets chez get away with surviving if it comes down to that at end game btw. I am like 99% sure he's mafia and we don't have a way to deal with it.

Would rather lynch someone that gives us information today obv but do not wifom yourself out of letting him live if you need to make that decision later in the game.

99 is a lot of percent


It's 100 but I want to keep up the guise of being reasonable
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 13:42 GMT
#1782
lol the trfel wagon looks disgusting
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 14:54 GMT
#1834
Did you know that you palmar haters could have the leading wagon now but instead you just whine about it and don't actually campaign properly for the wagons you want?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 17:52 GMT
#1956
On December 15 2023 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 19:45 Holyflare wrote:
I will never accept anyone as a player that lets chez get away with surviving if it comes down to that at end game btw. I am like 99% sure he's mafia and we don't have a way to deal with it.

Would rather lynch someone that gives us information today obv but do not wifom yourself out of letting him live if you need to make that decision later in the game.

I heavily dislike this post and i want HF to put a vote on Chezinu no matter his alignment.
Chezinu is genuinely scummy, i tried to get into conversation with him about if he actually believes Trfel is blue or red. It didn't happen. He just kept repeating the same stuff.


no because it's boring as shit
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 18:12 GMT
#1960
On December 15 2023 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Uhh.. Is it actually chezinu/hf/trfel?


Have you become awful at this game or are you literally just mafia? Your reads on me are so stale and bad, you haven't even bothered to check what people are saying and you're just complaining about pointless crap and are going for people like chez who I never in a million years would think you would go for when you've been yelling I'm mafia for 800 years.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 18:12 GMT
#1961
Vote me I dare you. Coward.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 21:09 GMT
#1984
vote: raynpelikoneet

just remember this for tomorrow
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 14 2023 21:22 GMT
#1985
be safe marv hope all is ok
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 15 2023 03:49 GMT
#2082
If I die you can look at this last post as the reason to why
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 15 2023 03:51 GMT
#2084
The implication was there buried in it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 15 2023 03:56 GMT
#2087
On December 15 2023 12:55 Alakaslam wrote:
I was too mad. Idk if Koshi and Marv are scum.

But Koshi why did I wake you up so much with this


Rayn is.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 15 2023 03:59 GMT
#2092
On December 15 2023 12:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2023 12:55 Alakaslam wrote:
I was too mad. Idk if Koshi and Marv are scum.

But Koshi why did I wake you up so much with this


Rayn is.


I take this back I need to put in more work to leave a better legacy.
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