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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 13 2023 16:58 GMT
#1628
The sentiment of the post to me reads someone frustrated with a player that is being cocky arrogant, and throwing that olive branch in there doesn't sound natural. Leads me to believe it's more like a fake demonstration between mafia/mafia or mafia/town
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 13 2023 17:01 GMT
#1630
Trying to put myself in what we should assume is dmb position being sincere at being pissed off at palmar and including that in my post doesn't sound right. Even if dmb had those thoughts I don't think they would include it in the phrasing like that.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 13 2023 17:09 GMT
#1632
What about the part where DMB avoids the Trfel/Sandroba topic completely, and throws in a soft accusation of Koshi defending Trfel?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 13 2023 17:59 GMT
#1646
Okay HF you put in a ton of work, I'm ready to call you not mafia for today.
The method which you are using I don't think is correct though. Mafia will try to do their best to emulate their town play in every post, focusing on all the posts like that and accumulating town / mafia points won't work imo.
I think focusing on a few bad posts and trying to see if they ever make sense from a town perspective is the way to go.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 13 2023 18:04 GMT
#1650
Not sure how to feel about Trfel saying I'm maybe town now? Would town Trfel feel that way when I'm trying to get him lynched? Would mafia Trfel be worried that I look town and feel hard to justify the scum read further? Kinda wifom
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 13 2023 18:05 GMT
#1653
wow now the full town read, it hits me on the feels man, fuck
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 13 2023 18:11 GMT
#1656
Yeah, Chez is prob mafia here
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 13 2023 18:13 GMT
#1658
Everyone thinks I'm town, can we stop pretending and get some votes between Trfel, Chez and DMB please. All of these are positive ev votes
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 13 2023 19:00 GMT
#1675
Think about it the other way around though, is dmb town only because you think I'm mafia?
To me it makes more sense if both Trfel and DMB are mafia due to DMB avoidance on the initial thread discussion, but I can see both being mafia apart from each other as well.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 13 2023 19:39 GMT
#1684
DMB you never explained why one of us need to be mafia, can you elaborate on that?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 13 2023 21:41 GMT
#1688
On December 14 2023 04:27 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 04:00 sandroba wrote:
Think about it the other way around though, is dmb town only because you think I'm mafia?
To me it makes more sense if both Trfel and DMB are mafia due to DMB avoidance on the initial thread discussion, but I can see both being mafia apart from each other as well.


In an earlier post I already told I think one of you sandro or Trfel are mafia either one not both. Still trying to figure out wich one what make more sense. Also I am still not happy about the Townreads Palmar get. Slam is the only 100% Townread I have. Marv is also in a good light.
Koshi gets more Townie to me since D2 because he gets more active here and I know him as lazy Mafia
As I also already said Chez is a person I can not read but I am def not sure about it and this vote chance makes me really thinking bad of him
Rayn looks first time ever not as scummy as he looks usually to me. Not a safe Townread but definitely not my main mafia thought in my head

Palmar/Chez/Sandro
Palmar/Chez/ Trfel
HF/Palmar/Trfl
HF/Palmar/Sandro

Not my main thought but still possible
Trfl/Sandro/Chez
Trfl/Sandro/Palmar

Not sure I follow the bolded part either, can you elaborate on that part too?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 03:54 GMT
#1699
DMB might be even more likely than Trfel, I thought the post she made today was pretty damning, and she is stalling to post an explanation after promising to after getting back from work.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 14:08 GMT
#1791
Palmar's game in a nutshell: sees thread sentiment, pretends to be in charge and goes along with misslynches on town. Yesterday Vivax, today on me. Never explains any scum read either on Vivax or me (look for it in his posts), town reads me in mason chat, but refuses to post any substantiated read in the thread. He has no reason to think I'm scum and should have been like 95% confident I'm town at this point (confessed to reading me town in the mason chat) but he doesn't want to consider any other scenarios. MAFIA. 100% lynch, don't let him get away with this.

Marv is like his little cheerleader: Guys! Palmar is really town! Look how towny of Palmar doing all this nothingness! Either MAFIA or BAD. His reason to think I'm mafia is because I'm wrong on Trfel, which I probably am, while he is wrong on everything and propping up thread sentiment that Palmar is town.

Koshi: Has a ton of reads I agree with day1. Reads me town for most of the game: Has a super good DMB read which I get behind on. Decides to sheep marv (?). Fuck knows.

HF: Seems to be the only one actually pondering other players instead of following this stupid baseless wagon on me. He backed off after I lashed out on him (which I assume he must have read as townie after he digested it for a bit) and seems to be thinking about the game. The chezinu comment irks me, lynching for info instead of lynching almost certain mafia is scummy. If chezinu is mafia adn we build a wagon on him, mafia players will be more likely to make excuses like "Chezinu is just a troll", "his lynch provides no info" etc. Which is better information than lynching a townie that nobody has any qualms lynching.

Trfel: If he is mafia he should get an award because he is going against thread sentiment on me, despite knowing when I flip town, town will go on him regardless. Trfel is TOWN.

DMB: just mafia probably. All reads are wish-washy and non-commital. Promises explanations and never delivers. Minimal investment.

Chezinu: have to say 80% mafia. Palmar is against his lynch. He thinks vigis that might not exist should take care of him.

Rayn: had good activity day 1, but died off. Interaction with DP during the night looks a bit fake to me. My reason for town reading him day 1 was probably stupid.

Slam: Probably town? If he was mafia I'd expect at least a little bit of distancing from partners, but instead he viewed as town by 100% of players. I think mafia probably spilled him town.

Updated game view:
Scum team: Palmar, DMB, Chez
Possible replacements: Marv, Koshi, rayn
Town: HF, Slam, Trfel

sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 14:17 GMT
#1794
On December 14 2023 23:07 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2023 00:19 sandroba wrote:
On December 11 2023 16:57 Trfel wrote:
On December 11 2023 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel are you around?

Can you give me your updated reads now you are voting vivax
I'm asleep.

I think Vivax is the best chance at mafia. His play is very underwhelming and uninspired, in contrast to his town play where he is capable of being a very strong player. He also seems to not care about his relatively poor performance/lack of investmemt.

Sandroba and Koshi might be worth considering but I think I like lynching Vivax more by a decent margin.


Trfel I had been leaning town from the burst of engagement, but this post really set off some alarms for me.

Vivax mentioned that he was weary from the bottom feeders on his wagon, and if I was town Vivax I would definitely be all over this post in particular. The wording, tone and reasoning on this post don't seem to match the rest of his filter.
Seems like a formal way to justify a vote, looks like it's fabricated and a chore.
So he is questioning his townread of me (which soon becomes a scumread) due to how I voted for Vivax. But the post after, he appears to be townreading Palmar due to Palmar voting for Vivax, since he thinks Vivax is mafia? If he is that certain about Vivax being mafia why does he talk about what town Vivax should do in reference to me being mafia? I get that Palmar was the one with the big "case" on Vivax but it doesn't feel quite right.

Some assumptions here are wrong. I thought Vivax was mafia and liked Palmar as town at that point because I was assuming Vivax was mafia. I didn't like your vote on Vivax because I thought your reasoning sounded fabricated, Vivax being mafia or town, it just looked to me like you were justifying jumping on a wagon. I've come to terms that I you just post in a way that seems unnatural to me and I'm probably just flat out wrong.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 14:25 GMT
#1796
Can you rephrase the question, don't know what exactly you are asking based on the post you are quoting
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 14:33 GMT
#1805
On December 14 2023 23:30 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 23:25 sandroba wrote:
Can you rephrase the question, don't know what exactly you are asking based on the post you are quoting
Your initial townread of Palmar was due to thinking Vivax was mafia, correct? Since Palmar was the main person pushing Vivax, it makes sense that if Vivax is mafia, Palmar is town.

I am wondering why you kept thinking Palmar is town after Vivax flipped town? I know you recently flipped to scumread him but there was quite a delay between those events.

He could have been just wrong at that point, normally the main proponent of a lynch is town, but at that point was thinking I wouldn't put beyond mafia Palmar doing that. After the mason thing, he is just mafia.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 14:37 GMT
#1809
I don't think I'll be able to convince anyone Palmar is mafia today due to how much people already suspect me. I'd be down to lynch DMB/Chezinu.
To anyone who is town: Please let's rally and find a good lynch today. Don't let the mafia steamroll this lynch on me and be in the same spot tomorrow with DMB and Chezinu alive, being convinced by Palmar and his cheerleader they were just wrong and now we must lynch Trfel or w/e.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 14:42 GMT
#1817
On December 14 2023 23:35 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 23:33 sandroba wrote:
On December 14 2023 23:30 Trfel wrote:
On December 14 2023 23:25 sandroba wrote:
Can you rephrase the question, don't know what exactly you are asking based on the post you are quoting
Your initial townread of Palmar was due to thinking Vivax was mafia, correct? Since Palmar was the main person pushing Vivax, it makes sense that if Vivax is mafia, Palmar is town.

I am wondering why you kept thinking Palmar is town after Vivax flipped town? I know you recently flipped to scumread him but there was quite a delay between those events.

He could have been just wrong at that point, normally the main proponent of a lynch is town, but at that point was thinking I wouldn't put beyond mafia Palmar doing that. After the mason thing, he is just mafia.

All I can say is, if we flip you and I’m wrong and you’re town, I won’t ignore what you’ve said about Palmar.

Because I am petrified I am just being his cheerleader and I’m leading town into oblivion. But I just don’t think so.

WHY are you being his cheerleader though? You accused me of being submissive while you are doing worse with Palmar.
Why would it take my flip for you to reconsider? It should be pretty obvious to anyone that I'm town. The only thing productive I can really do at this point is be obvious town and let other townies with more cred push a good lynch.
It's clear I'm not as good at finding mafia as I used to be, why would you look at Palmar after I flip town?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 14:43 GMT
#1819
On December 14 2023 23:42 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2023 23:37 sandroba wrote:
I don't think I'll be able to convince anyone Palmar is mafia today due to how much people already suspect me. I'd be down to lynch DMB/Chezinu.
To anyone who is town: Please let's rally and find a good lynch today. Don't let the mafia steamroll this lynch on me and be in the same spot tomorrow with DMB and Chezinu alive, being convinced by Palmar and his cheerleader they were just wrong and now we must lynch Trfel or w/e.

The list on you is me, Koshi, Marv and Holyflare.

You say "don't let the mafia steamroll this lynch on me".

Are these mafia-steamrollers in the room with us right now?

You and marv, if you are an annoying lazy bum who is losing this game for town by yourself, Marv and Koshi
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 14 2023 14:50 GMT
#1826
Rest of town: Don't let both these clowns decide anything. They are either Mafia or terrible. I want them to look at my filter and freaking justify this retarded lynch. It will be super easy to just say "well shucks we were wrong again guys" if they are not forced to produce bullshit reasons for voting for me.
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