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On December 12 2023 03:06 marvellosity wrote: Are you nuts? You haven’t explained in any way how the post you quoted was different from the rest of Trfel’s filter…?! I don't think I need to explain, I think the post and filter speak from themselves | ||
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Just seems like a low-effort crutch what you are doing to justify your position on me. | ||
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Lean town on slam, palmar (move to town if vivax is scum) Neutral on hf, chezinu, dmb I lean scum on vivax, marv, conflicted on trfel. | ||
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On December 12 2023 07:40 marvellosity wrote: Just want to repeat this. sandro trying to reduce what I’ve said so he can attack that aspect of it in isolation. Anyway, let’s hope the flip goes okay. Other than that, you said all his posts are okay but I feel like he is trying to solve the game. I dismissed this point because it's literaly dumb, as you say this while I'm trying to force you to talk about me and so I can see if I can find a townie mindset behind it. Basically what I could buy into is that you felt the first post was suspicious and then based of that preconceived notion it tainted the rest of the interpretation. But really that doesn't make sense if you didn't like my first post because I was waffling on Slam (of all people) | ||
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I'm going on a clean slate and re-read the thread trying to forget about my assumptions and try to get a more impartial view of things. The first post that I really liked and gave me a strong town read on DP was this one, since it matched my assessment of what was going on perfectly: On December 10 2023 17:14 DarthPunk wrote: Hey guys, just got back from watching my nieces (they are obsessed with Bluey if anyone knows that show) but have been following along the thread while I was away. I liked Slams entry, seemed keen to be playing, I think slam probably could do that as mafia, but I think his alignment will work itself out along the lines of his engagement levels so wouldn't want to lynch him today. As a rule, I tend to associate entry to threads like this with mafia play (setup speculation particularly). Admittedly, it could be a case of a returning player trying to feel his way back into the thread, but the BS detector was going off big time. The last paragraph of this post reflected my viewpoint at that point in the thread, I don't really like the slam stuff. Meh. The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was. I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed. This really is what Trfel was doing, going on the counter-offensive trying to conjure up arguments to make my post look at lot worse. If I knew what type of player Trfel is I would immediately consider this an ironclad case, even with so few posts in the thread at that point. But if Trfel is a very emotional player I could my suspicion of him tainting his reason and making him try to look for reasons for me being mafia and accusing him. DP followed this through with this, argued against Slam who was brushing it off as an overreaction by me and Trfel, shortly put his vote on Trfel and was rallying the thread to look at Trfel. Due to this spot on analysis this consolidates DP as town to me, regardless of Trfel's alignment. Marv's commentary at this point is probably what caused my initial suspicion of him: On December 10 2023 19:19 marvellosity wrote: Don’t understand anyone who thinks Trfel is suspicious for calling out a pretty terrible first post from sandro tbh On December 10 2023 19:20 marvellosity wrote: Reads like a newbie tryharding and sandro is not that On December 10 2023 19:56 marvellosity wrote: Why aren’t you just outright omgusing DP here Trfel? I know that’s what I’d be doing in your spot To me it's very hard to believe Marv reads the same DP post as I read and has 0 suspicion of Trfel. On December 10 2023 20:12 marvellosity wrote: You think it’s reasonable he’s calling you out for calling out sandro? On December 10 2023 20:13 marvellosity wrote: If I came In the the thread first and had called out sandro’s post, I would think it was insane DP was calling me on it. Just sayin. What also ticked me off is that he never addresses any of the points of DP or whatever he says is terrible about my post, he is just glossing over it "Trfel calls out Sandro and DP calls out Trfel for calling out Sandro". This sort of simplification doesn't make sense and it's the details of how things happen that are important: I really started to see marv as mafia at this point, and his actions would make more sense if Trfel and DP are town and he is trying to pit them off against each other. He doesn't want to add details of how my post is scummy for XYZ or how what DP is doing is suspicious, he is just the guy on the sidelines saying "Oh, I can't believe you are going to let him get away with THAT" and watching chaos ensue. I was coming to this on a clean slate and trying to get a new perspective, but again I can't see town Marv would do things in this manner. The only things that make sense to me here is a mafia agenda. I'll stop here as I have to do some work, but I'll be continuing my reread and sharing more of my full thought process. | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:06 Holyflare wrote: I don't like his attack on you and I think Palmar perhaps persuaded him off from tunelling you further but he tried to play it off like he came up with that idea himself to appear like he was being reasonable and then said you could be mafia anyway. He also said you weren't inquisitive about finding out information from people, while literally trying to take up all of your time with little questions thus giving you not much time to do that. I don't know what to think of that though because I'm historically bad at reading DP. Not sure I could make a gut read on it but somewhere middle of the pack, possibility of being townie but not outright surprised if mafia. See what he does next given time. Have you made a list post summing up what your current reads are? This exchange feels a bit off to me. The Trfel soft defense of HF, throwing the question to HF about DP and HF's response all sound a bit forced to me. It just looks like they give each other an undue amount of charitability. This feels like mafia on mafia to me. | ||
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We all know for a fact that yesterday lynch was on a townie and the other viable option (me) I know was town too. Mafia had no reason to stick out their necks and do something to sway the lynch. That makes it more likely that mafia is hiding in the likes of Koshi and Chezinu. Chezinu's presence and engagement in particular has been a lot lower than other times I played with him and he was town. Normally he will try to interact with people and make weird accusation posts trying to get his point across. | ||
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The fact that HF was fake claiming should be obvious, or he is omega ultra dumb, which I don't think is within the realm of possibility. I'm interested to read what his explanation is before speculating on it and feeding him any ideas. | ||
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On December 13 2023 12:14 Chezinu wrote: DP blue, Truffle red/blue read more red now. Why blue? | ||
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On December 13 2023 17:30 Koshi wrote: DMB is mafia. 1) She is flying under the radar. 2) I think she voted Vivax because he is a threat to her. And because Vivax posted a good list. 3) Last one to move from Vivax to Sandroba. Even though she was moving with thread sentiment to a more Vivax is not mafia 30 mins prior. 4) Dont think she made 1 good post so far. Very bad of Palmar to make her so townie after that 1 "independent research" Vivax vote. Because really... That isn't that good at all. Anyway. Start putting her in your PoE people. ##Vote Sandroba (Last game I was mafai and I made a case on somebody and voted somebody else) Koshi, what made you read me town in the first place? What made you think I'm mafia now? | ||
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