EPTAlso bit sad that despite it being many years he still just seems bitter that I exist as a human being.
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Also bit sad that despite it being many years he still just seems bitter that I exist as a human being. | ||
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On December 11 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote: I forgot to respond to this. Essentially, when you are playing with people who are new, aggressiveness signals confidence in prosecuting a scum hunting agenda, townies are less refined in what they are looking for, and will see something that is potentially scummy and attack. This is why on a surface level *level 1* early aggression is a town trait, and I think this holds true for newer players. What I think is that as people develop in skill and understanding, aggression becomes a *tool* that is wielded, either by town to determine alignments or by mafia to hide in plain sight and push mis lynches in a way that is *too obvious to be scum* The general differentiator in my opinion, is that town aggression tends to be built on curiosity and inquisitiveness, and mafia aggression tends to be built on decisions that have already been made. Therefore, when I said you were too committed early, I was saying that you were aggressive in a way that seemed like you were prosecuting an agenda to find Sandro scummy, rather than curious about the reasoning behind his post. Essentially, town want to find truth without agenda. Scum wants to advance their agenda without in spite of truth. The reason I find you scummy is that you are aggressive without curiosity. And what follows are pushes without foundation. Decent post for DP | ||
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On December 11 2023 20:21 marvellosity wrote: I think it’s a terrible case and parts of it make me suspicious - for example if I have a chess match, I will say so as either alignment, I have never lied about this sort of thing as either alignment. DP should know that. I can’t really be arsed to try to attack DP for this (or other dumb bits) though as I’ll just get accused of omgus. You guys can draw your own conclusions. He did say you wouldn't lie about it, just that you're much more likely to bring that up as mafia than town. | ||
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On December 11 2023 20:49 DarthPunk wrote: It's actually really different. On one hand I am lying in order to make you look bad, the other I am making an observation of your, perhaps unknown, tendencies. +1 | ||
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On December 11 2023 21:07 marvellosity wrote: I mean if it’s Vivax and sandro and I’m gonna get lynched for the conclusions everyone else arrived at, so be it… I’m low key more suspicious of HF for agreeing with DP than I am DP I like your posts, more so because they defended me and seemed reasonable but it's undeniable that you seem low effort and it's also undeniable that you tried to prescribe intent to DP's case by saying he was lying about you, when it wasn't the case. In a world where I'm starting to see more townie actiosn from people, you fall lower and lower down the totem pole because of it. | ||
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Palmar Koshi DarthPunk die_meatbaby Trfel Raynpelikoneet All of the above have some kind of reasonable series of posts that give them plausible deniability from being mafia, or at least that I think have posted things that I can see as even townie. Some of them even at multiple points (slam, DP etc). It leaves me with: marvellosity Vivax Chezinu Sandroba Sure, there's the chance that you're the town in this 4, and it's actually quite a high possibility(!) but I haven't seen the things comparatively that the other players above have given to cross you off the list. Which is crazy considering koshi and slam are in it. Vivax's posts are boring, he also has no proper engagement. Sandro similarly, more concerned with trying to look ok than solve the game. Chezinu is whatever, religious nonsense. | ||
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ya fair, I don't play mafia anymore for a reason :D | ||
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On December 11 2023 09:18 Vivax wrote: Rayn has made a few observations I could see coming from town. I don't want to read DP either way yet. Or at least I don't think I can. Discussing HFs alignment on D1 is pointless you either lynch him because he's HF or you don't, but not because he's town. Palmar + Slam lists looked reasonable to me, mostly. + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2023 02:10 Palmar wrote: Quick list post: Slam Palmar Marv Rayn Trfel DP Sandroba Haven't thought about Vivax, and Koshi, die_meatbaby (I need a shorthand for that...) HF and Chez haven't really said anything. It is a little suspicious that Chez hasn't tried to form a multinational corporation hellbent on world takeover though. On December 11 2023 08:31 Alakaslam wrote: Yes. Koshi town. You (DP) town. Rayn town. Palmar town. Holyflare possible scum but 1. I have a fear negative bias out of respect for his scum play and 2. He has been culling that in me, but 3. 1 makes this wifom. Trfel possible scum. The rest are unclear enough for me to not provide reads. When reading Sandro, I don't see it explained why he assumes that I'm his worst voter. This is possibly the worst post vivax has made. Really low commitment to calling rayn town, with enough of a way out to back off from it. Pretty sure he slips that I'm town here too. The Sandro post is ??? Literally no conclusions about Sandro, it's just a statement. In fact these are all just pointless statements. | ||
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On December 11 2023 20:42 DarthPunk wrote: If you can't be bothered reading the big post (you really fucking should) This is a snapshot. a pretty egregious case of incongruence: Rayn asks for an opinion on holyflare. Marv is.... Non-commital. Two unrelated posts later. Marv thinks holyflare is town, or at least not mafia because he can follow his thoughts. Why does Marv not say that in the first place? Why does he say nothing at all when it is clear he in fact has something to say? between those posts, holyflare had not posted a thing. I don't think this is as strong a point as you're making it out to be btw. He says he can't make much of Rayn's points about me and then denies rayn calling me mafia by saying he can follow my thought process (something you say you use to see if someone is townie too). Context is important here. | ||
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On December 11 2023 21:51 Vivax wrote: DP is scum probably. Cba to attempt to be less boring in this company lmao. The way the wagon on me formed is a total hellspawn and maybe there's a bit of fun to be had with rayn, Koshi and marv. I claim VT. I would also destroy Palmar in an MMA match fyi. why dp? | ||
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On December 11 2023 22:25 Vivax wrote: Gut and purely from gamestate I'd say DP, Sandro, Trfel are the mafia (lots of unproductive verbosity from two while Sandro makes sense from a more frozen perspective). In this context your unvote makes sense cause you don't want all three on a wagon. HF, Chezinu would be policy lynches. You think the world is that mafia went after mafia who OMGUSed back onto their mafia partner, just for the 3rd mafia partner to pick one of the mafia partners to start tunelling? What on earth | ||
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On December 12 2023 02:18 marvellosity wrote: Can I just say, Hf, this is a really icky post. And you should know why. don't really care tbh it wasn't in the OP and I didn't expect grack to reply | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:27 Chezinu wrote: If you need help sandroba, you can read my posts to learn how to have people not think you post nothing of substance. + Show Spoiler + Lol!! Noting this post because it's the first one where Chez breaks character and it's rayn talking about Sandroba doing nothing and deflecting. | ||
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