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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 16:30 GMT
#2929
I'm gonna be around soon after my delicious multi-national lasagna has cooked.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 16:34 GMT
#2931
sandroba why do you think slam is town, can i have a bullet point list?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 16:37 GMT
#2934
I have a hard time understanding D2 which should actually tell a lot about the game, maybe the most in terms of what actual information we do have. Apparently everyone sees, or claim to see this entirely the other way i do see it.

marv in your opinion, whose votes were they key votes in changing the lynch from sandroba to Chezinu?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 16:39 GMT
#2938
On December 19 2023 01:37 sandroba wrote:
Rayn, why did you agree with Palmar's town read on Trfel at that point?

Because i thought Trfel is town? What are you trying to imply?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 16:46 GMT
#2950
On December 19 2023 01:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2023 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a hard time understanding D2 which should actually tell a lot about the game, maybe the most in terms of what actual information we do have. Apparently everyone sees, or claim to see this entirely the other way i do see it.

marv in your opinion, whose votes were they key votes in changing the lynch from sandroba to Chezinu?

I mean, mine. Koshi and Palmar basically followed me off sand so that’s a huge swing.

Not trying to claim any cred for this btw.

I think sand/hf supporting the lynch probably helped outside of votes.


Do you genuinely think, in case i voted for sandroba (which i had all the reasons to do based on D1), not to mention with the "town core" as Koshi put it, Chezinu would have been lynched? Let's assume your thing during there did not happen, or maybe even with it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 16:59 GMT
#2960
On December 19 2023 01:52 marvellosity wrote:
Rayn - obviously your Chez vote cannot be held against you. But if I’m extending possible suspicion to people on the Chez wagon in good time (eg Trfel) then I can hardly say it looks good for you either.

I trust you see what I mean here

Well for some reason most of the game is holding it against me, while i would never put my vote there in case i am mafia (even if i was mafia with sandroba).

I have to say though i really didn't have that much of preference there, so i kinda see in that sense. Sure i thought Chezinu is mafia, but witouth further investigation at the time i put my vote there because HF who i thought is mafia was kinda white knighting Chezinu while saying the complete opposite. I wanted to see what happens, then Koshi started to shit on me on the vote, same with HF. I also had reservations with Koshi, it didn't help he was like 1000000% against my vote, but when you voted (when it should make even less sense for him), he just started being a good sheepyboi. So yeah, i thought fuck it, this has to be the correct play.

I guess you could say i made the right decision based on wrong information lol
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 17:01 GMT
#2963
On December 19 2023 01:56 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2023 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a hard time understanding D2 which should actually tell a lot about the game, maybe the most in terms of what actual information we do have. Apparently everyone sees, or claim to see this entirely the other way i do see it.

marv in your opinion, whose votes were they key votes in changing the lynch from sandroba to Chezinu?

Rayn you are hinging on this Chezinu vote thing way too much and it doesn't look good to me.

I am hinging on it because i think i was a meaningful asset in lynching Chezinu and i want to know why other people don't understand it, or see it differently. Especially you, since you were the counter-wagon of Chezinu lynch D2.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 17:05 GMT
#2966
On December 18 2023 23:36 sandroba wrote:
Rayn only shows up when he is being talked about to try to diffuse suspicion off of him. He doesn't pursue his scum reads, and is very tame not to antagonize players in the thread too much, all of which are mafia-favored behaviors.

You do realise this is absolute horse shit?
Go read any of my mafia games i have ever played.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 17:07 GMT
#2968
On December 19 2023 02:00 marvellosity wrote:
* the townie thing to do is be suspicious of Palmar.

I realise I am sort of shading myself here with this logic too.

I have never thought about that on Trfel to be honest.

I thought about it on you, but then no, it doesn't make sense. D1 -> D2 is way too irrational and "too wrong" mafia play from you if that would be the case.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 17:11 GMT
#2970
Gonna eat now, i will be back in a bit
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 17:25 GMT
#2977
On December 19 2023 02:11 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2023 02:04 marvellosity wrote:
On December 19 2023 02:00 sandroba wrote:
On December 19 2023 01:55 marvellosity wrote:
On December 19 2023 01:52 sandroba wrote:
On December 19 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote:
On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote:
On December 19 2023 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
Just one other thing on Trfel.

Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?

He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb

But why when no one else was?

I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t.

So ???

Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good?
Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do

Maybe yes. But it’s not like TMI is not a thing, right?

I am not saying they can’t be good, or even if they are both town (or mafia for that matter lol) they haven’t completely outplayed me this game, they probably have as either alignment tbh.

Doesn’t mean it’s not interesting that sand, HF, Koshi think Palmar is mafia but Trfel, slam don’t, does it?

Slam was on Palmar. Sure, it's interesting how level headed Trfel has been. The high ego play is to think I was right on Trfel all along, but I just looked at the game where he was scum with chez and it's not very similar.

Can you elaborate?

He had very few posts on that game, got easily lynched d1. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/560300-holy-guardians-cpt-3?user=Trfel

The game you are referencing here Trfel was a no show until very end of D1.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 17:28 GMT
#2979
On December 19 2023 02:26 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2023 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 19 2023 02:11 sandroba wrote:
On December 19 2023 02:04 marvellosity wrote:
On December 19 2023 02:00 sandroba wrote:
On December 19 2023 01:55 marvellosity wrote:
On December 19 2023 01:52 sandroba wrote:
On December 19 2023 01:46 marvellosity wrote:
On December 19 2023 01:44 sandroba wrote:
On December 19 2023 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
Just one other thing on Trfel.

Why is he the only other player than me not to have some sort of mafia read on Palmar yesterday?

He was town reading Palmar, he said the only reason he might even consider Palmar is mafia is due to trouble finding the other scum. He was town reading rayn at that point, only real scum read was dmb

But why when no one else was?

I’m a special (possibly dumb fool) case. Trfel isn’t.

So ???

Well if we assume Palmar is town, Trfel is just good?
Same as Slam. I guess we can with ego and say Trfel and Slam can't be this good? Seems like a shitty thing to do

Maybe yes. But it’s not like TMI is not a thing, right?

I am not saying they can’t be good, or even if they are both town (or mafia for that matter lol) they haven’t completely outplayed me this game, they probably have as either alignment tbh.

Doesn’t mean it’s not interesting that sand, HF, Koshi think Palmar is mafia but Trfel, slam don’t, does it?

Slam was on Palmar. Sure, it's interesting how level headed Trfel has been. The high ego play is to think I was right on Trfel all along, but I just looked at the game where he was scum with chez and it's not very similar.

Can you elaborate?

He had very few posts on that game, got easily lynched d1. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/560300-holy-guardians-cpt-3?user=Trfel

The game you are referencing here Trfel was a no show until very end of D1.

What of it?

What?
The game sandroba quoted was a game where Trfel didn't appear until very end of D1, posting basically nothing.
I don't think it's a good reference to anyone's scumgame in general.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 17:29 GMT
#2981
Like he made a case on most obvious townie in the game, voted with consensus on counter-wagon, got lynched. I know because i played.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 17:30 GMT
#2983
On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game

So if Trfel is mafia with Palmar it's nothing similar at all?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 17:42 GMT
#2991
On December 19 2023 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game

I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia.

Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!).

We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100%

I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia.

So youre basically saying i am mafia or dmb is mafia or trfel is mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 17:44 GMT
#2994
On December 19 2023 02:44 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2023 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 19 2023 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game

I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia.

Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!).

We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100%

I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia.

So youre basically saying i am mafia or dmb is mafia or trfel is mafia?

Even if I’m hilariously wrong on Palmar, one of you is still mafia, right?

yeah, unless it's slam, but it's not slam.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 17:51 GMT
#2997
On December 19 2023 02:45 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2023 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 19 2023 02:44 marvellosity wrote:
On December 19 2023 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 19 2023 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
On December 19 2023 02:29 sandroba wrote:
I'm reading through it and the student game he was scum it looks like Trfel has much more direction and is pushing the mafia agenda without waffling. He is defendig Breshe his scum partner and not town siding at all. Don't agree that it looks similar to this game

I think you’re being too specific with he townsiding stuff. I think it’s clear Trfel can make impressive, thought out posts as mafia.

Of course you can easily be right here sand. I’m not even calling Trfel mafia here (although it seems to be all I’m talking about!).

We just have to be bloody sure that we haven’t written him off as town when it’s not 100%

I’ll put it another way - I don’t think you, or Koshi, or Palmar can play the way you’ve played this game as mafia. I do think Trfel could play this way as mafia.

So youre basically saying i am mafia or dmb is mafia or trfel is mafia?

Even if I’m hilariously wrong on Palmar, one of you is still mafia, right?

yeah, unless it's slam, but it's not slam.

Fine. But you can understand why my focus is where it’s been this phase.

Of course, i haven't given a single thought of you being mafia after you let got of sandroba to vote for chezinu and the day ended. I am not sure why anyone else is considering you mafia after that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 18:00 GMT
#2999
Is your read on sandroba still based on his filter size and the D2 happenings?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 18:05 GMT
#3001
I am not sure atm tbh.
Thankfully i don't have to be sure of anything before EoN.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 18 2023 18:12 GMT
#3002
On December 19 2023 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is your read on sandroba still based on his filter size and the D2 happenings?

marv?
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