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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 10 2023 19:29 GMT
#320
On December 11 2023 03:37 Holyflare wrote:

Vivax, Koshi, chez, sandro, meatbaby and palmar is a good list of LHF to get through for the time being. Maybe throw in a rayn in there but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Palmar and rayn probably the weakest in being in this list so will see what they get up to while I work throw the others.


Why this phrasing.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 10 2023 20:03 GMT
#339
On December 11 2023 04:35 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, curious if you have any thoughts on DarthPunk?


Interesting position in that he suspects you.
Who would you vote right now?
And why didn't you vote?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 00:18 GMT
#569
Rayn has made a few observations I could see coming from town.

I don't want to read DP either way yet. Or at least I don't think I can.

Discussing HFs alignment on D1 is pointless you either lynch him because he's HF or you don't, but not because he's town.

Palmar + Slam lists looked reasonable to me, mostly.

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 11 2023 02:10 Palmar wrote:
Quick list post:


Slam
Palmar

Marv
Rayn
Trfel

DP

Sandroba


Haven't thought about Vivax, and Koshi, die_meatbaby (I need a shorthand for that...) HF and Chez haven't really said anything.

It is a little suspicious that Chez hasn't tried to form a multinational corporation hellbent on world takeover though.



On December 11 2023 08:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 08:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 08:24 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 11 2023 08:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Slam is chez town?

Leaning toward a hard yes but can't give a hard yes yet.

He is no fool, but he can fool...


Any other reads?>

Yes.

Koshi town.
You (DP) town.
Rayn town.
Palmar town.

Holyflare possible scum but 1. I have a fear negative bias out of respect for his scum play and 2. He has been culling that in me, but 3. 1 makes this wifom.

Trfel possible scum.

The rest are unclear enough for me to not provide reads.



When reading Sandro, I don't see it explained why he assumes that I'm his worst voter.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 00:31 GMT
#576
On December 11 2023 09:27 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 09:18 Vivax wrote:
Rayn has made a few observations I could see coming from town.

I don't want to read DP either way yet. Or at least I don't think I can.

Discussing HFs alignment on D1 is pointless you either lynch him because he's HF or you don't, but not because he's town.

Palmar + Slam lists looked reasonable to me, mostly.

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 11 2023 02:10 Palmar wrote:
Quick list post:


Slam
Palmar

Marv
Rayn
Trfel

DP

Sandroba


Haven't thought about Vivax, and Koshi, die_meatbaby (I need a shorthand for that...) HF and Chez haven't really said anything.

It is a little suspicious that Chez hasn't tried to form a multinational corporation hellbent on world takeover though.



On December 11 2023 08:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 08:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 08:24 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 11 2023 08:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Slam is chez town?

Leaning toward a hard yes but can't give a hard yes yet.

He is no fool, but he can fool...


Any other reads?>

Yes.

Koshi town.
You (DP) town.
Rayn town.
Palmar town.

Holyflare possible scum but 1. I have a fear negative bias out of respect for his scum play and 2. He has been culling that in me, but 3. 1 makes this wifom.

Trfel possible scum.

The rest are unclear enough for me to not provide reads.



When reading Sandro, I don't see it explained why he assumes that I'm his worst voter.


DMB? Trfel? Marv?


Undecided pile.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 00:46 GMT
#585
On December 11 2023 09:34 Alakaslam wrote:
Also Vivax pay attention to time stamps on 4 and 5 if you decide to read into 5


Idk what you meant here and with the perceptive thing.

Koshi spent 99% of his effort so far in trying to explain that Trfel is not mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 00:48 GMT
#586
And saying that marv is.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 01:41 GMT
#626
On December 11 2023 10:39 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 10:35 Palmar wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:30 Palmar wrote:
Jesus it’s so bad. Pointless commentary, terrible questions. Lots of nothing and very boring to boot. I didn’t laugh once.

We found our first mafia boys. Get in while it’s still cool


You are not wrong, but I think it's not outside of the scope of his town play.


I’m never wrong. Let’s do the vote thing.

You frequently exhibit an air of superiority.


Where? In thread or in discord? Really weird thing to say.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 01:44 GMT
#629
I'm not sure that Palmar's is a genuine effort to read me over some egotistical push.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 01:54 GMT
#634
On December 11 2023 10:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 10:44 Vivax wrote:
I'm not sure that Palmar's is a genuine effort to read me over some egotistical push.


I think you are failing your own town litmus test. Where you are usually more engaged as town.


Should have done enough to display my current thoughts. I'm hoping for wagons and vote accordingly.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 02:07 GMT
#637
On December 11 2023 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 10:54 Vivax wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:44 Vivax wrote:
I'm not sure that Palmar's is a genuine effort to read me over some egotistical push.


I think you are failing your own town litmus test. Where you are usually more engaged as town.


Should have done enough to display my current thoughts. I'm hoping for wagons and vote accordingly.


You haven't though.


I can tell you who isn't in the clear for me: And that's a majority but I can't do much about it with my current degree of certainty.

You, marv, dmb, Chez, Palmar, HF. Sandro, Trfel.

I'm wondering if I should bury my sandro + Trfel approach and just assume it's two townies starting the game off like that.

##Unvote
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 02:09 GMT
#638
On December 11 2023 10:54 die_meatbaby wrote:
Why is Palmar so confident about his opinion on who is scum. It´s D1 and this dude things he can just read everybody and knows thats scum. Is he like god of this game or why i nobody suspect about his conidence here?


This is a very townie post tbh, DMB clear for D1
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 02:19 GMT
#640
On December 11 2023 11:16 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 11:07 Vivax wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:54 Vivax wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 10:44 Vivax wrote:
I'm not sure that Palmar's is a genuine effort to read me over some egotistical push.


I think you are failing your own town litmus test. Where you are usually more engaged as town.


Should have done enough to display my current thoughts. I'm hoping for wagons and vote accordingly.


You haven't though.


I can tell you who isn't in the clear for me: And that's a majority but I can't do much about it with my current degree of certainty.

You, marv, dmb, Chez, Palmar, HF. Sandro, Trfel.

I'm wondering if I should bury my sandro + Trfel approach and just assume it's two townies starting the game off like that.

##Unvote


Okey what kind of wagon are you trying to build here. Like i really really try to see it but now you making my opinion on you even worse
#vote vivax


You need to [b ][/b ] the vote
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 12:51 GMT
#727
DP is scum probably.
Cba to attempt to be less boring in this company lmao. The way the wagon on me formed is a total hellspawn and maybe there's a bit of fun to be had with rayn, Koshi and marv.

I claim VT.

I would also destroy Palmar in an MMA match fyi.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 12:52 GMT
#728
It's been a while since I had one of those tiny Icelanders
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 13:00 GMT
#730
It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.

Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.

Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 13:04 GMT
#735
I also plan on being entertaining when the mood is right, unlike pornstars you don't see my jokes coming from miles away. Right now the mood is that there's a lot of, pardon, excrement tier of information flying about and I'd rather find mafia without having to read every single post in here cause some guys I won't call out write like they wake up every morning with an adderall IV drip in their veins.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 13:06 GMT
#736
On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote:
It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.

Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.

Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven.

What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering:

A.) it was

B.) the massive push i made on marv

and

C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you?


When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead).
It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 13:10 GMT
#737
With where your head should be, a Trfel wagon seemed to be your main choice but you turn out to be happier with wagons on me and marv?

Doesn't really make sense when there's better choices for a D1. It's like you are comfortable with a chaotic thread. Same goes for Palmar who started a wagon without a case of any sort.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 13:16 GMT
#742
On December 11 2023 22:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 22:06 Vivax wrote:
On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote:
It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.

Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.

Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven.

What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering:

A.) it was

B.) the massive push i made on marv

and

C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you?


When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead).
It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you.


I don't think I 'casually' switched to marv, the marv stuff was bothering me for a while.

I also think you are mafia FWIW. Particularly after this dramatic entrance.


It's not me you have to tell that to.
It's a shit wagon on the wrong player

This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it.
Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22296 Posts
December 11 2023 13:25 GMT
#744
On December 11 2023 22:18 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 22:16 Vivax wrote:
On December 11 2023 22:14 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 22:06 Vivax wrote:
On December 11 2023 22:04 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote:
It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character.

Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best.

Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven.

What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering:

A.) it was

B.) the massive push i made on marv

and

C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you?


When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead).
It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you.


I don't think I 'casually' switched to marv, the marv stuff was bothering me for a while.

I also think you are mafia FWIW. Particularly after this dramatic entrance.


It's not me you have to tell that to.
It's a shit wagon on the wrong player

This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it.
Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting.


You are saying that your wagon is shit and on the wrong player?

Who do you think is the right player then?


Gut and purely from gamestate I'd say DP, Sandro, Trfel are the mafia (lots of unproductive verbosity from two while Sandro makes sense from a more frozen perspective).

In this context your unvote makes sense cause you don't want all three on a wagon.

HF, Chezinu would be policy lynches.
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