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On December 10 2023 20:39 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 20:29 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 20:21 marvellosity wrote:On December 10 2023 20:18 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 20:13 marvellosity wrote:
If I came In the the thread first and had called out sandro’s post, I would think it was insane DP was calling me on it.
Just sayin. I think DarthPunk is focusing more on the way I brought up suspicion about sandroba's post rather than just that I did it, but I could be wrong? On December 10 2023 20:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 19:47 Trfel wrote:
I'm not expecting some huge commitment or 100% certain reads or anything like that. But I think it's reasonable to expect something of substance. Sandroba failed to provide that. I understand people wanting to share thoughts, even if they aren't sure about the conclusions, but at the same time it's a game of mafia where the conclusions about people's alignments is ultimately what matters. My point about sandroba isn't that he didn't have any strong conclusions, it's the amount of thoughts he shared without any conclusions whatsoever and the way that he seemingly undermined any conclusion he could have made with doubt and take-backsies or whatever you want to call it. I don't think that everything needs to progress the game necessarily, or have a distinct purpose, it's that sandroba's post is the type of post that should have a purpose but just doesn't.
What kind of substance are you expecting? he literally posted the 10th post of the game? If you go back to that quote I made with the red and take out the stuff in red then it would have had substantial conclusions. Yes, he is, but I don’t understand why you’d legitimise the attack on what, I would assume, would be your legit read on sandro’s post. Now I don’t like any of you :/ I mean I don't like that DarthPunk is disagreeing with me, I don't know if that makes him mafia though. Townies disagree about things fairly often. I can still stand by my view of sandroba and not be sure about DarthPunk, no?
On December 10 2023 20:24 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 20:18 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 20:13 marvellosity wrote:
If I came In the the thread first and had called out sandro’s post, I would think it was insane DP was calling me on it.
Just sayin. I think DarthPunk is focusing more on the way I brought up suspicion about sandroba's post rather than just that I did it, but I could be wrong? On December 10 2023 20:14 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 19:47 Trfel wrote:
I'm not expecting some huge commitment or 100% certain reads or anything like that. But I think it's reasonable to expect something of substance. Sandroba failed to provide that. I understand people wanting to share thoughts, even if they aren't sure about the conclusions, but at the same time it's a game of mafia where the conclusions about people's alignments is ultimately what matters. My point about sandroba isn't that he didn't have any strong conclusions, it's the amount of thoughts he shared without any conclusions whatsoever and the way that he seemingly undermined any conclusion he could have made with doubt and take-backsies or whatever you want to call it. I don't think that everything needs to progress the game necessarily, or have a distinct purpose, it's that sandroba's post is the type of post that should have a purpose but just doesn't.
What kind of substance are you expecting? he literally posted the 10th post of the game? If you go back to that quote I made with the red and take out the stuff in red then it would have had substantial conclusions. How confident would you say you were of sandroba's alignment when you wrote that post? Of sandroba's alignment? Not very. His opening post felt very suspicious, but it's just one post. That could just be the way he thinks and communicates his thoughts. I'm very interested to see how he follows it up. What -is- your view of Sandroba then? Suspicious, but there isn't much to work with. I'm intrigued by what marvellosity is saying about sandroba's play though, he hasn't contributed much and if the expectations are higher, that could be telling. I think it'll help to see a bit more from him though most of all.
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On December 10 2023 20:29 marvellosity wrote:
I dunno. I have a lot of respect for sandro, and time off or nay, I don’t think that’s what I expect from him.
I know I don’t like Trfel’s responses either though, so I’m looking forward to the rest of the day 🍿 I guess this just surprised me. The first part, that is.
If sandroba is capable of great things, would being mafia cause the disparity between said great things and his play this game? And if not, what would?
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On December 10 2023 17:14 DarthPunk wrote:
The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was.
I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed. DarthPunk, care to explain this?
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On December 10 2023 21:16 DarthPunk wrote:It just seems to me that you came roaring out of the gate with a huge case, based on some nitpicking really early in the thread, and you end up going nowhere on anything which is the essence of what the case you wrote on Sandro in the first place. Now fair enough, sandroba hasn't been around so you haven't been able to pursue things further. But your level of aggression just didn't really match with what was going on in the thread at the time, which you kind of acknowledge at the start of said post. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient. It's almost like an apology, like what were you waiting for? And now you are kind of backtracking, which also doesn't match with the way you lead out originally. it's all quite jarring to me. I assume you are talking to me, I am having a bit of trouble understanding what you are actually getting at here though.
Yes, I think sandroba is suspicious. No, I wouldn't wager high stakes on it. He's one of the people I'm most interested in (along with Alakaslam and perhaps yourself and an off-chance of Vivax), but I'm not certain yet. I posted the way I did to try and figure out sandroba's alignment (and eventually everyone else's). Just because I'm not very confident yet doesn't mean that I can't figure things out and investigate and that sort of thing. I didn't bring any aggression, that's just me trying to ask questions and figure things out.
If there is anything you'd like me to clear up please don't hesitate to ask, I'm just having a bit of trouble understanding this post though, it feels a bit nebulous to me.
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On December 10 2023 21:18 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:06 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 17:14 DarthPunk wrote:
The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was.
I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed. DarthPunk, care to explain this? What exactly do you want me to explain about it? You said that being aggressive early is good, right? I assume good meaning town-indicative, as opposed to mafia-indicative.
So why then is someone being strongly committed a mafia trait? Does that mean that if someone is aggressive early but not committed then that indicates town? That doesn't make much sense to me, why would someone be aggressive without commitment, in fact how is that even possible?
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On December 10 2023 21:27 DarthPunk wrote:
ok. that's fine.
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Wait, what?
I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well.
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On December 10 2023 21:40 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:27 DarthPunk wrote:
ok. that's fine.
Unvote
Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well. I applied pressure, you held up well to the pressure, I am less inclined to lynch you now. So did you not think I was mafia?
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On December 10 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Do you have a riddle for me Trfel? Mostly just this:On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:Hello. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them. I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded). 'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment. 'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that? Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either. Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments? That last question to sandroba. If he just says, "I wrote it just to create a discussion about Trfel's and Alakaslam's alignments" then what have you gained from this whole post? I guess I'm confused, if that is an acceptable answer, then why give it to him as an option, like it invalidates the whole purpose of asking the question, no?
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On December 10 2023 21:51 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:49 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:40 DarthPunk wrote:On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:27 DarthPunk wrote:
ok. that's fine.
Unvote
Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well. I applied pressure, you held up well to the pressure, I am less inclined to lynch you now. So did you not think I was mafia? I think you could be, but I am less inclined to try and lynch you right now because: 1.) you are active and engaged in the thread, and 2.) transparent about your thought processes and reasoning I see, that makes a little more sense. I was finding it suspicious that you seemed so sure of me being mafia (see here for example) and then call it a pressure and back off. Conveniently after people such as marvellosity and Vivax also show suspicion about sandroba's opening post and your push onto me didn't seem to get much support. It feels like you're giving up really easily, for being so certain, unless it was just a pressure, but it doesn't read like a pressure to me? Or maybe that's the point of the pressure.
Regardless though, the timing feels rather convenient.
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On December 10 2023 21:55 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:55 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Do you have a riddle for me Trfel? Mostly just this: On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:Hello. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them. I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded). 'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment. 'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that? On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either. Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments? That last question to sandroba. If he just says, "I wrote it just to create a discussion about Trfel's and Alakaslam's alignments" then what have you gained from this whole post? I guess I'm confused, if that is an acceptable answer, then why give it to him as an option, like it invalidates the whole purpose of asking the question, no? It gives him an option to acknowledge it was a terrible post without saying it was a terrible post. What does that acknowledgment provide?
Also, any thoughts on Alakaslam? I know he plays a bit on impulse but I still find it very strange how his thoughts followed the thread sentiment so directly.
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On December 10 2023 22:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 21:24 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:16 DarthPunk wrote:It just seems to me that you came roaring out of the gate with a huge case, based on some nitpicking really early in the thread, and you end up going nowhere on anything which is the essence of what the case you wrote on Sandro in the first place. Now fair enough, sandroba hasn't been around so you haven't been able to pursue things further. But your level of aggression just didn't really match with what was going on in the thread at the time, which you kind of acknowledge at the start of said post. On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient. It's almost like an apology, like what were you waiting for? And now you are kind of backtracking, which also doesn't match with the way you lead out originally. it's all quite jarring to me. I assume you are talking to me, I am having a bit of trouble understanding what you are actually getting at here though. Yes, I think sandroba is suspicious. No, I wouldn't wager high stakes on it. He's one of the people I'm most interested in (along with Alakaslam and perhaps yourself and an off-chance of Vivax, but I'm not certain yet. I posted the way I did to try and figure out sandroba's alignment (and eventually everyone else's). Just because I'm not very confident yet doesn't mean that I can't figure things out and investigate and that sort of thing. I didn't bring any aggression, that's just me trying to ask questions and figure things out. If there is anything you'd like me to clear up please don't hesitate to ask, I'm just having a bit of trouble understanding this post though, it feels a bit nebulous to me. Wanna tell me about this, Trfel? Part of it is Vivax's first post (here), which we discussed briefly. I didn't like how weak his questioning to sandroba feels, Vivax recognized the issues with sandroba's post but didn't seem to want to challenge sandroba over it or actually do anything with this knowledge. The other thing was that Vivax's posts didn't seem to have any order, he pulled quotes from seemingly random points in the thread. I can't follow the thought process that leads him to bring up the things he did, and especially not in that order. This isn't necessarily mafia indicative, it just feels weird and I'm not sure what to make of it yet.On December 11 2023 02:48 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 19:47 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 15:12 Chezinu wrote:On December 10 2023 11:36 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2023 10:55 Chezinu wrote:On December 10 2023 09:57 iamperfection wrote:On December 10 2023 06:11 Chezinu wrote:
Let me know if yall want me to role-play a character. your not role playing a character when you normally play ? A specific character Chezinu Izunizehc! Hey Guys! I'm Chezinu! Hi Chezinu, I'm Trfel! Hope you have been well these past few years. Hello Mr. Truffles!! I haven't eaten a truffle in a few years. However, I have embarked on a journey to the Citdal to understand the underworlings of the sentinels. I'm in deep. Deep within beyond the convulsional layers form by the kernels. I will try and send you photos of my findings. I eagerly await your report.
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On December 11 2023 01:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 22:00 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:55 Vivax wrote:On December 10 2023 21:55 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Do you have a riddle for me Trfel? Mostly just this: On December 10 2023 21:13 Vivax wrote:Hello. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. We have Trfel and Slam entering the thread rather casually in my opinion. This approach by Sandro sticks out as overthinking and doesn't really seem like he's attempting to form some kind of real contact with them. I don't like the phrasing in parts either (bolded). 'Posting within what I expected' comes out of the blue as you should be expectation-free if you don't know his alignment. 'Self-demeaning tone' is something I don't spot, where is the part of his filter that suggests that? On December 10 2023 13:23 sandroba wrote:
I remember him being a bit wacky, careless, and somewhat random. Always found him hard to access in terms of alignment, but mostly remember he goes into more self-preservation mode and tones it down when mafia. Not sure how much that still applies, but I found his initial posts care-free, with a bit of prodding which I kinda liked, but done in a lighthearted way which could just again be his care-free nature This is a piece of pseudo-information as it doesn't really help in reaching a conclusion on Slam either. Sandroba, are these posts your legitimate opinion or did you write them mostly with the intent of creating a discussion surrounding Trfels and Slams alignments? That last question to sandroba. If he just says, "I wrote it just to create a discussion about Trfel's and Alakaslam's alignments" then what have you gained from this whole post? I guess I'm confused, if that is an acceptable answer, then why give it to him as an option, like it invalidates the whole purpose of asking the question, no? It gives him an option to acknowledge it was a terrible post without saying it was a terrible post. What does that acknowledgment provide? Also, any thoughts on Alakaslam? I know he plays a bit on impulse but I still find it very strange how his thoughts followed the thread sentiment so directly. Always pliable, dunno if this is a change or not as we sense change least in ourselves. Meh I ought not mindd suspicion. I do remember your views changing, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. It felt to me like your views were changing at a convenient time if you were mafia, but that may just be how you play (again, not a bad thing, just stuck out to me). I think I'll let you do your thing and come back to this at a future point.
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On December 11 2023 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 03:04 Trfel wrote:
The other thing was that Vivax's posts didn't seem to have any order, he pulled quotes from seemingly random points in the thread. I can't follow the thought process that leads him to bring up the things he did, and especially not in that order. Can you explain this further, which posts are in wrong order? Looking at it a third time I guess it's less than I thought. Mostly here, where Vivax jumped ahead to get the top quote from marvellosity. Otherwise, his catch-up is in chronological order and reasonably focused (if slightly uninspired imo). This strikes me as odd though, it makes it feel like he's already caught up with the thread while the surrounding posts (here and here suggest that he's posting as he's catching up. Not a huge thing, honestly his lack of thread presence at this point is probably more indicative. The Vivax I remember is a very strong player, and he just hasn't seemed invested so far.
Side note, I feel similarly about DarthPunk though (lack of thread presence), since he dropped his push on me he seems content to not do too much.
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On December 11 2023 03:21 Holyflare wrote:
hi How are you doing, Holyflare? Curious why you think raynpelikoneet is mafia?
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On December 11 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 03:20 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 03:04 Trfel wrote:
The other thing was that Vivax's posts didn't seem to have any order, he pulled quotes from seemingly random points in the thread. I can't follow the thought process that leads him to bring up the things he did, and especially not in that order. Can you explain this further, which posts are in wrong order? Looking at it a third time I guess it's less than I thought. Mostly here, where Vivax jumped ahead to get the top quote from marvellosity. Otherwise, his catch-up is in chronological order and reasonably focused (if slightly uninspired imo). This strikes me as odd though, it makes it feel like he's already caught up with the thread while the surrounding posts ( here and here suggest that he's posting as he's catching up. Not a huge thing, honestly his lack of thread presence at this point is probably more indicative. The Vivax I remember is a very strong player, and he just hasn't seemed invested so far. Side note, I feel similarly about DarthPunk though (lack of thread presence), since he dropped his push on me he seems content to not do too much. Isn't it just like he read marv's post, went back to check what DP said and made a conclusion of "i agree" of the post DP made (bolded part)? Possibly, but the posts before and after are well before marvellosity's post. It just shows that most likely he was reading some more current posts while also catching up. That doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia, just strikes me as odd and I'm not quite sure what to make of it. Now that I reread it, I think it's not that helpful, and the point about his lack of involvement is much more meaningful.
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Also, when do we policy lynch marvellosity for smiles being suspicious? 
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I guess I'm a bit surprised that Vivax seems to be one of your top suspects when (correct me if I'm wrong) he was the only one who shared the same view about Palmar's post on sandroba? I get that agreeing with you doesn't mean he has to be the same alignment but it still seems a bit surprising to just gloss over it entirely.
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On December 11 2023 03:41 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 03:31 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly do you mean by conclusions in this case Vivax? Like finding out that Chezinu works for methlab and might know something about the mafia. I work for a methlab? Here I was undercover working to understand the meaning of the sentinel, but never consider being one myself. Was I created as a replica of another? What if Vivax knows more about me than I as my memories were erased... if that was the case, I wouldn't be Chezinu but rather a sentinel Chez. What is the sentinel that you are referring to? Please enlighten me/refresh my memory?
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On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro).
He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it. I believe this is the post in question.
Raynpelikoneet, other than the above question though, can you help me understand why you are so confident Holyflare is mafia?
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Vivax, curious if you have any thoughts on DarthPunk?
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