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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 17 2023 20:09 GMT
#2741
My time is up, never got to re-read your rayn exchange, palmar. I'll leave my vote on DMB. I pussied out. Not sure I'll be able to spend time again before the eod.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 17 2023 20:09 GMT
#2742
On December 18 2023 05:05 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2023 04:58 Holyflare wrote:
On December 18 2023 00:25 Holyflare wrote:
On December 17 2023 09:42 Palmar wrote:
On December 17 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.

So we just lynch HF?

I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was.
I can do whatever i want tomorrow.

Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already.

As I said, I don't really. The points I have against him right now are:

1) He did very little early in the game. He was at the bottom of my "people who did shit on day 1" list outside of chez/slam
2) I genuinely expected HF to get into a massive argument with me on night 1 for being wrong on Vivax.
3) Like I've accused you of, I don't think he has changed any hearts and minds in this town.


1) So?

2) Can you elaborate on why I should have found you mafia? What specifically should I have found you mafia for?

3) What hearts or minds was I supposed to change? People who I think should have died have generally died.


Did you answer this?


1 and 3 are similar. You’re just kinda… there. I mean if you think I’m scum it means you joined a mafia led wagon on day 1. Don’t you think that might be a reason to do something?

2 is just… experience. I often lead day 1 lunches and I dread mislynching with you in the game because you sometimes tunnel it so hard. That’s at least one of the meta reads I have on you.


Why are you justifying my actions earlier in the game on a mindset I couldn't possibly have had? I didn't think you were mafia then, I agreed with the wagon and reasoning. There's nothing more to be done there.

It's only since the chezinu wagon that I've thought about what you've done since and it is basically have no input on anything meaningful. Even now you've somehow eroded your 1 of 3(!) town reads and lumped DMB in a team with me.

What specifically about Rayn's responses to you in the thread led you to change your stance on him?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 20:11 GMT
#2743
Rayn was very willing to engage and actually attempt to solve the game with me. I just generally liked the tone and feel of our conversation in the night.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 17 2023 20:12 GMT
#2744
Such a non answer it's kinda sad.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 20:12 GMT
#2745
I mean are you disputing that a player who kinda just coasts along in the thread and follows sentiment, never at the forefront of anything is somewhat scummy behavior?
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 17 2023 20:13 GMT
#2746
Why haven't you tried to engage with me in the same way? It seems like all you're concerned about in that regard is just sleepwalking your vote on me, not actually reading my filter like you gave other the people the courtesy of and then wildly flinging out shade in my direction. I don't think a town palmer would do that.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 20:14 GMT
#2747
Because if you are you kinda just don’t agree with how I scumhunt. Remember my list on night one, the one where I ranked people how much they had tried to do on day 1. That is pretty much one of my main methods of finding mafia.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 17 2023 20:14 GMT
#2748
On December 18 2023 05:12 Palmar wrote:
I mean are you disputing that a player who kinda just coasts along in the thread and follows sentiment, never at the forefront of anything is somewhat scummy behavior?


Can you tell me a time you've ever seen me be lazy and meander through a game doing not much as mafia? I'll wait the eternity it takes you to find one.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 17 2023 20:15 GMT
#2749
Especially when my partner is up for a wagon? You think I sit back and let that happen?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 20:15 GMT
#2750
Another one being whether or not I believe what they are saying.inalso do a lot of tone and feel stuff.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 20:15 GMT
#2751
On December 18 2023 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2023 05:12 Palmar wrote:
I mean are you disputing that a player who kinda just coasts along in the thread and follows sentiment, never at the forefront of anything is somewhat scummy behavior?


Can you tell me a time you've ever seen me be lazy and meander through a game doing not much as mafia? I'll wait the eternity it takes you to find one.

No but not as town either.

So I default to what I think about a generic player.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 17 2023 20:16 GMT
#2752
On December 18 2023 05:15 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2023 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
On December 18 2023 05:12 Palmar wrote:
I mean are you disputing that a player who kinda just coasts along in the thread and follows sentiment, never at the forefront of anything is somewhat scummy behavior?


Can you tell me a time you've ever seen me be lazy and meander through a game doing not much as mafia? I'll wait the eternity it takes you to find one.

No but not as town either.

So I default to what I think about a generic player.


The last at least 3 games on this site I have done exactly that. As town.

Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 20:17 GMT
#2753
On December 18 2023 05:15 Holyflare wrote:
Especially when my partner is up for a wagon? You think I sit back and let that happen?

Depends on if you think you can save him. I didn’t fight the chez lynch either.

In fact if you read my contributions on it they’re pretty townie, because as scum I would either have hard defended him, or bussed him to gain some credit. I just called it a policy lynch and accepted it.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 20:18 GMT
#2754
On December 18 2023 05:16 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2023 05:15 Palmar wrote:
On December 18 2023 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
On December 18 2023 05:12 Palmar wrote:
I mean are you disputing that a player who kinda just coasts along in the thread and follows sentiment, never at the forefront of anything is somewhat scummy behavior?


Can you tell me a time you've ever seen me be lazy and meander through a game doing not much as mafia? I'll wait the eternity it takes you to find one.

No but not as town either.

So I default to what I think about a generic player.


The last at least 3 games on this site I have done exactly that. As town.


So you’re worse now? 🤣
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 20:19 GMT
#2755
Btw we’re almost 100% lynching dmb today. Call it a prophecy
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 20:20 GMT
#2756
On December 18 2023 05:17 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2023 05:15 Holyflare wrote:
Especially when my partner is up for a wagon? You think I sit back and let that happen?

Depends on if you think you can save him. I didn’t fight the chez lynch either.

In fact if you read my contributions on it they’re pretty townie, because as scum I would either have hard defended him, or bussed him to gain some credit. I just called it a policy lynch and accepted it.

Man sometimes I even surprise myself with my townieness
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 17 2023 20:22 GMT
#2757
I don't find your stance believable that you think I'm mafia frankly. You don't even know what my stances have been, you haven't read my filter, you don't care about tone reading me. You haven't asked me a single question. It is clearly your style because you've done that to rayn with some really mediocre non questions that you let him off the hook for imo. He responded saying why should he find town reads in the worst possible way and imo uncharacteristically so and you said nothing. I don't believe that. I also don't think you arrived at a tone read into that organically.

On the one hand you try and justify something based on meta when it suits you, on the other you ignore meta when it doesn't. There is no coherence here and it looks like all you care about is making a narrative fit (something you've been intimating all game). You haven't tried to read into things I've said or how I've interacted with other players and what I've tried to arrive at.

I can tell because you assume our ways of finding mafia are different when I've made at least 3 different posts TODAY even (and last night) explaining that I don't care about finding mafia reads, I care about finding town reads and then poeing down the smaller pool and yet it's clear you haven't tried to see me doing that at any point.

I think way more highly of your play and I respect it but this ain't it chief.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 17 2023 20:24 GMT
#2758
On December 18 2023 05:18 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2023 05:16 Holyflare wrote:
On December 18 2023 05:15 Palmar wrote:
On December 18 2023 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
On December 18 2023 05:12 Palmar wrote:
I mean are you disputing that a player who kinda just coasts along in the thread and follows sentiment, never at the forefront of anything is somewhat scummy behavior?


Can you tell me a time you've ever seen me be lazy and meander through a game doing not much as mafia? I'll wait the eternity it takes you to find one.

No but not as town either.

So I default to what I think about a generic player.


The last at least 3 games on this site I have done exactly that. As town.


So you’re worse now? 🤣


Imo way worse yeah
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 17 2023 20:29 GMT
#2759
Also btw you should never lynch slam imo. If it comes to it and you have to make a decision on it, don't do it.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 17 2023 20:37 GMT
#2760
On December 18 2023 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar, after you've answered my questions what are the odds that marv is mafia from your perspective? Is he capable of stooping to a new low with that sandro stuff?

‘A new low’ - wow
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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