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On December 18 2023 01:56 Palmar wrote:
So I actually have one really stupid reason to think HF may not be scum. But it’s so weak I’m not moving my vote for now.
On day 1 he asked about the number of mafia team members. That was such an immensely stupid post that I’m not sure if scumhf has the balls to do it. But if anyone has the balls it also might be him.
it's different on MU, it would be 2 mafia because they like mafia having an extra day struggle
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On December 18 2023 02:08 Palmar wrote:
Btw who has the mason thing today?
Slam already said he has it and masoned me
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On December 18 2023 02:27 sandroba wrote:The link is broken, do you have anything on TL that's 2020+?
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/
just find the link to the database page on there but I'm telling you this is a waste of time (and I've also told you that I've done the player count thing as both alignments so it doesn't mean anything).
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Think this game might be wildly wildly off track
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On December 18 2023 00:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 09:42 Palmar wrote:On December 17 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.
So we just lynch HF? I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was. I can do whatever i want tomorrow. Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already. As I said, I don't really. The points I have against him right now are: 1) He did very little early in the game. He was at the bottom of my "people who did shit on day 1" list outside of chez/slam 2) I genuinely expected HF to get into a massive argument with me on night 1 for being wrong on Vivax. 3) Like I've accused you of, I don't think he has changed any hearts and minds in this town. 1) So? 2) Can you elaborate on why I should have found you mafia? What specifically should I have found you mafia for? 3) What hearts or minds was I supposed to change? People who I think should have died have generally died.
Did you answer this?
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Palmar, after you've answered my questions what are the odds that marv is mafia from your perspective? Is he capable of stooping to a new low with that sandro stuff?
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On December 18 2023 05:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 04:58 Holyflare wrote:On December 18 2023 00:25 Holyflare wrote:On December 17 2023 09:42 Palmar wrote:On December 17 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.
So we just lynch HF? I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was. I can do whatever i want tomorrow. Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already. As I said, I don't really. The points I have against him right now are: 1) He did very little early in the game. He was at the bottom of my "people who did shit on day 1" list outside of chez/slam 2) I genuinely expected HF to get into a massive argument with me on night 1 for being wrong on Vivax. 3) Like I've accused you of, I don't think he has changed any hearts and minds in this town. 1) So? 2) Can you elaborate on why I should have found you mafia? What specifically should I have found you mafia for? 3) What hearts or minds was I supposed to change? People who I think should have died have generally died. Did you answer this? 1 and 3 are similar. You’re just kinda… there. I mean if you think I’m scum it means you joined a mafia led wagon on day 1. Don’t you think that might be a reason to do something? 2 is just… experience. I often lead day 1 lunches and I dread mislynching with you in the game because you sometimes tunnel it so hard. That’s at least one of the meta reads I have on you.
Why are you justifying my actions earlier in the game on a mindset I couldn't possibly have had? I didn't think you were mafia then, I agreed with the wagon and reasoning. There's nothing more to be done there.
It's only since the chezinu wagon that I've thought about what you've done since and it is basically have no input on anything meaningful. Even now you've somehow eroded your 1 of 3(!) town reads and lumped DMB in a team with me.
What specifically about Rayn's responses to you in the thread led you to change your stance on him?
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Such a non answer it's kinda sad.
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Why haven't you tried to engage with me in the same way? It seems like all you're concerned about in that regard is just sleepwalking your vote on me, not actually reading my filter like you gave other the people the courtesy of and then wildly flinging out shade in my direction. I don't think a town palmer would do that.
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On December 18 2023 05:12 Palmar wrote:
I mean are you disputing that a player who kinda just coasts along in the thread and follows sentiment, never at the forefront of anything is somewhat scummy behavior?
Can you tell me a time you've ever seen me be lazy and meander through a game doing not much as mafia? I'll wait the eternity it takes you to find one.
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Especially when my partner is up for a wagon? You think I sit back and let that happen?
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On December 18 2023 05:15 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 05:14 Holyflare wrote:On December 18 2023 05:12 Palmar wrote:
I mean are you disputing that a player who kinda just coasts along in the thread and follows sentiment, never at the forefront of anything is somewhat scummy behavior? Can you tell me a time you've ever seen me be lazy and meander through a game doing not much as mafia? I'll wait the eternity it takes you to find one. No but not as town either. So I default to what I think about a generic player.
The last at least 3 games on this site I have done exactly that. As town.
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I don't find your stance believable that you think I'm mafia frankly. You don't even know what my stances have been, you haven't read my filter, you don't care about tone reading me. You haven't asked me a single question. It is clearly your style because you've done that to rayn with some really mediocre non questions that you let him off the hook for imo. He responded saying why should he find town reads in the worst possible way and imo uncharacteristically so and you said nothing. I don't believe that. I also don't think you arrived at a tone read into that organically.
On the one hand you try and justify something based on meta when it suits you, on the other you ignore meta when it doesn't. There is no coherence here and it looks like all you care about is making a narrative fit (something you've been intimating all game). You haven't tried to read into things I've said or how I've interacted with other players and what I've tried to arrive at.
I can tell because you assume our ways of finding mafia are different when I've made at least 3 different posts TODAY even (and last night) explaining that I don't care about finding mafia reads, I care about finding town reads and then poeing down the smaller pool and yet it's clear you haven't tried to see me doing that at any point.
I think way more highly of your play and I respect it but this ain't it chief.
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On December 18 2023 05:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 05:16 Holyflare wrote:On December 18 2023 05:15 Palmar wrote:On December 18 2023 05:14 Holyflare wrote:On December 18 2023 05:12 Palmar wrote:
I mean are you disputing that a player who kinda just coasts along in the thread and follows sentiment, never at the forefront of anything is somewhat scummy behavior? Can you tell me a time you've ever seen me be lazy and meander through a game doing not much as mafia? I'll wait the eternity it takes you to find one. No but not as town either. So I default to what I think about a generic player. The last at least 3 games on this site I have done exactly that. As town. So you’re worse now? 🤣
Imo way worse yeah
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Also btw you should never lynch slam imo. If it comes to it and you have to make a decision on it, don't do it.
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On December 18 2023 05:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar, after you've answered my questions what are the odds that marv is mafia from your perspective? Is he capable of stooping to a new low with that sandro stuff? ‘A new low’ - wow
If you are mafia and used the situation to town read sandro in that way then I think so ya.
I don't think you would though personally but other people have ideas.
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On December 18 2023 05:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
Also btw you should never lynch slam imo. If it comes to it and you have to make a decision on it, don't do it. Why?
We're masons and although we haven't really said much I think he's bringing up thoughts about you two that I have also had myself but that he doesn't want to post in the thread. I think the fact he even brought it up to begin with to me is really good. That, coupled with diverting to chez, having good trains of thoughts on you earlier (even if they weren't good in a logical sense, they seemed tonally like he believed it at least). I don't really see him on a team with anyone else.
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Confused why DMB still thinks I'm blue :D
Or what that means for dmb. Doesn't feel like a last ditch attempt at pairing or whatever since they've thought I was blue for like 2 days at least so idk. Bad vibes about the whole game I guess.
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