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On August 28 2023 21:52 marvellosity wrote: Although I have defended VE, I don’t agree with this defence. I think consistent thoughts come more naturally from town, because, well, it’s natural. It’s not normal to hold contradictory thoughts (certainly without explicitly realising them) as town, because it doesn’t make sense of the game. You don't think you can consider two people as scum who are calling each other scum and have that be consistent? Rayn is doing it right now with me and TTT. | ||
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On August 28 2023 21:56 DarthPunk wrote: You don't think you can consider two people as scum who are calling each other scum and have that be consistent? Rayn is doing it right now with me and TTT. It’s not the same though Nor is he at ‘I’m voting you now’ level which is a significant difference | ||
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On August 28 2023 21:56 DarthPunk wrote: You don't think you can consider two people as scum who are calling each other scum and have that be consistent? Rayn is doing it right now with me and TTT. Actually now that I think about it more, it still makes no fucking sense what VE said. I can see why rayn is so wild about it. But still im not sure it makes him mafia. | ||
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On August 28 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote: Easy win for a mafia Vivax? Listen, I’m not saying it’s the likeliest possibility. But I’d say game 2 definitely showed he can do his more… whimsical/crazy points of view as mafia, not just town. Feels like an east win to push a stupid argument to the limit. If hesmafia, what’s the downside? The upside is very clearly the sort of read you have on him. But is it so hard to just argue… Well my fault is that I ignored the goated wagon but to be fair, I also was so entertained by some posts that I just got into furore about that wagon. I don't think that iamp is off the hook but D1 I felt that way and simply humored him. | ||
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On August 28 2023 22:00 DarthPunk wrote: ill try and develop the Mathenalin case a bit more while you are here marv. 👍 should be off and on all day, not got work, but got a partner who wants us to enjoy our time off together or something weird like that… | ||
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On August 28 2023 21:11 JacobStrangelove wrote: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/0sULSP8.png) Okay I got kinda side tracked. Sister got broken into last night they stole her house keys etc so good news I'm at hers being guard dog and have internet and a computer again. but haven't been around constintantly. Will be on much more in the morning though due to it and from now. Started filter diving and making this grid did ipee ve and myself and chezu before I got side tracked. Not sure what it means yet way to early for a paturn and I burnt out of this type of analysis anyway. Maybe I'm red in the grid with chezu i just didn't feel like he pushed on me at all despite voting him hard and early. Let me hit up dp and ttt now without trying to grid it just for leads. Both love? Both hate? True neutral? Wtf is this grid a dungeon & dragons handbook? | ||
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On August 28 2023 22:06 marvellosity wrote: 👍 should be off and on all day, not got work, but got a partner who wants us to enjoy our time off together or something weird like that… Yeah no stress, my partner is back from europe tomorrow so im gonna be in the same boat. enjoy. | ||
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IamPerfection saunters into the thread, “I’m not depressed bois” It’s time to fuck town and be mafia and I’m all out of mafia. Cheezu sprouts from behind the couch, “I’ve been a bad boy Daddy spank me” “I’ll spank you later at the end of the day don’t you worry, I’ll tunnel your ass so hard you’ll see daylight out of it” JSL Pops up “Are we talking Tunneling?” Precedes to seduce Marv before abandoning that endeavour and deciding that Cheezu really was a bad boy. *Three-way with IamPerfection and JSL starts, Cheezu gets fucked in the middle. LS comes in and offers JSL snacks dressed in a bathrobe, Math also comes in and uses the bar. Ve sits in the spa naked but does nothing of note. JSL proceeds to give Math a blow job and Math asks him to say mafia three times fast. All of a sudden. Vixax arrives. “Did you say MARIA? Screams Vivax! Are you cheating on us with *shocked gasp* GIRLS?” IAMP slaps Vivax once and says get a hold of yourself. DP comes in and says girls are cool for half an hour wtf is wrong with you we can be bisexual occasionally. Marvelosity enters the room, his mane is glorious. Everyone appreciates it for a second and then goes to kick VE out of the spa for hogging it. TTT stumbles out from under the couch bitch slaps DP and DP bitch slaps him back. The orgy continues as everyone piles on Cheezu. While DP says we should all fuck TTT instead. Eventually the colossal amount of sex is too much for Cheezu and he’s carted out. D1 ends. Hmmm…. This is how I remember the day mostly. Koshi and LS don’t really come up too much in my memory and Die baby kinda rang the doorbell once to deliver pizza but we forgot to answer and didn’t end up getting much out of it. | ||
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On August 27 2023 22:55 iamperfection wrote: So my thoughts currently are that DP is likely town. I have less of a town read on Vivax but some of his posts have been so absurd i don't think it can be from a scum so less likely but town. Marv has been somewhat passive so i would have him as dark grey if that makes sense. He has some good comments at points but i would expect that from him from either alignment. Jacob is grey as well but im leaning more on the green side he seems to have at least intrest in lynching someone at least. Chez has been useless VE has been extremely useless and i see no posts with intent to try and figure out peoples alignments i think he is likely scum. He has one post where he says chez ill be watching you which comes off as unauthentic to me i would like to lynch him. I would most like to lynch him at the moment. There are other people in the game too but i don't have opinions yet. im voting ve Translates to: My scumread on VE was actually a lot more fleshed out but I decided to push Chez harder and Vivax played along on the way. | ||
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On August 28 2023 22:13 Vivax wrote: Translates to: My scumread on VE was actually a lot more fleshed out but I decided to push Chez harder and Vivax played along on the way. What’s his angle though? If VE is mafia and iamp is mafia, why did iamp go after him early and hard in the first place? If iamp is mafia and VE is town, what’s the value in going for Chez instead? | ||
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On August 28 2023 22:11 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmm maybe if I sort of summarise the game from memory in a story form I’ll be able to see patterns from my subconscious. IamPerfection saunters into the thread, “I’m not depressed bois” It’s time to fuck town and be mafia and I’m all out of mafia. Cheezu sprouts from behind the couch, “I’ve been a bad boy Daddy spank me” “I’ll spank you later at the end of the day don’t you worry, I’ll tunnel your ass so hard you’ll see daylight out of it” JSL Pops up “Are we talking Tunneling?” Precedes to seduce Marv before abandoning that endeavour and deciding that Cheezu really was a bad boy. *Three-way with IamPerfection and JSL starts, Cheezu gets fucked in the middle. LS comes in and offers JSL snacks dressed in a bathrobe, Math also comes in and uses the bar. Ve sits in the spa naked but does nothing of note. JSL proceeds to give Math a blow job and Math asks him to say mafia three times fast. All of a sudden. Vixax arrives. “Did you say MARIA? Screams Vivax! Are you cheating on us with *shocked gasp* GIRLS?” IAMP slaps Vivax once and says get a hold of yourself. DP comes in and says girls are cool for half an hour wtf is wrong with you we can be bisexual occasionally. Marvelosity enters the room, his mane is glorious. Everyone appreciates it for a second and then goes to kick VE out of the spa for hogging it. TTT stumbles out from under the couch bitch slaps DP and DP bitch slaps him back. The orgy continues as everyone piles on Cheezu. While DP says we should all fuck TTT instead. Eventually the colossal amount of sex is too much for Cheezu and he’s carted out. D1 ends. Hmmm…. This is how I remember the day mostly. Koshi and LS don’t really come up too much in my memory and Die baby kinda rang the doorbell once to deliver pizza but we forgot to answer and didn’t end up getting much out of it. I think you fancy me xx | ||
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I got you marv because it would be related to how iamp saw yours/Koshis and rayn's opinions (sorry if you're not on this list) and whether he had that read on VE before or after | ||
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On August 26 2023 21:00 VisceraEyes wrote: oh look iamp was skilled enough to fake that town tell. :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO So this game. I think everyone who's posted is town. I want to lynch whoever hasn't posted starting.....now. ezD1 Well maybe the reason is the inverse. VE came right in with this after I voted iamp. So iamp simply omgused him, and not even until the end of the day. Sus | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On August 25 2023 22:02 mathenalin wrote: This may be too early for a read but I don't see a world where both mafia marv and mafia rayn read VE as town early on and then sort of celebrate over it. (although mostly rayn congratulating marv). I suppose it's possible that rayn just said "you know who you SHOULD town read" and then agreed with whatever marv says but feels unlikely. Both strong players so I think if there is a mafia in there it is only one and then its either two strong town players reading VE as town, which makes it more likely he is town. Or there is one mafia in the two of them and they are reading VE as town with the knowledge that he is. Summary then that VE is likely town. then rayn or marv both town or max one mafia. On August 25 2023 22:34 mathenalin wrote: I didn't play in those games so I don't know exactly how it went, but what concerns me with this is that you have a large amount of data/experience from the past two games and now you are extrapolating a read based on a very small sample size in this game which, to me, doesn't seem to lean either way, at least not from an attitude perspective. I now have to decide if you sort of see yourself as the "marv whisperer" trying to make an early god read. Or are you trying to pocket marv which is more suspicious. On August 26 2023 02:09 mathenalin wrote: I also have an evening of drinking and board games but I hope to post sporadically later on. If I had to share a list of town/wouldn't lynch with some surface level reasons VE - town for reasons earlier. Rayn - I've agreed with a lot of his posts, I think the line of questioning on LS was reasonable. Marv - He's a strong player he's given some good tempered responses that give a new perspective. his defence of LS and myself from Darth was good in a situation where he could have ignored it or added pressure. He has also been given some soft town reads from other players. Koshi - Defended LS when he didn't have to, i feel like he's been more active than most. Darth - This is tricky as I don't want to be like "you called me scummy so fuck you"... Maybe that's why he attacked me after I spoke out on his weak marv points. I feel like his push on LS came after other people had already questioned LS but it seems to be for different reasons so. Maybe it feels like going for low hanging fruit with the new guy and then LS who made a weak entry....I'm rambling here. Either way I can't tell if Darth is scummy or just having a slightly different town game to me. being a very active but maybe less logical. He is driving things forward and giving thoughts and information out so I wouldn't want to lynch him today. There is a lack of activity from several players, I haven't evaluated people with less than a page of filter. I didn't like Vivax or the LS entry. LS might be a good lynch as with the game split it would give some potential information. These posts last game really stood out to me in regard to Math's alignment. They were agentic, they showed him attempting to solve the game and to be aggressive in doing so, particularly he shared without being prometed which showed proactivity. That is something that was really lacking at the start of this game, at some point I had to ask him for his reads because I had no idea about them That was the first red flag. HIs filter start of day one was a lot of meaingless one liners and the chez vote which i felt was way too easy compared to targets like me on day one. and his posts lacked the bite and curiosity of the previous game, resulting in saying Icky, to a post that vivax had already pointed out was scummy previously. On August 27 2023 17:40 mathenalin wrote: Yeh im around. I need to go over a few bits again but some highlights to me. Your push on vivax was the most memorable. I haven't decided if vivax was "caught out" or just being obtuse and confrontational with you , there's a lot of headspace talk that i dont understand. I do like that you are back in the thread and pushing , game has felt directionless I read ttt's explanation of his only friend comment. Its a pretty obvious "play". does mafia make plays though, he certainly seems different to last game. There is extra votes on chez , more pressure is good ,he is starting to crumble. Last game marv and rayn were both town and it felt we made good progress. This game rayn has activity issues which I get but i havent felt the same drive or well thought out comments from either. Something to keep an eye on. LS has been pretty AFK again with a weirdly reasoned read. Apparently that is normal LS according to marv. But i havent seen emotional involvement and he only responds when his name gets pinged so i don't like him. It seems like i need to form an opinion on iamp and jacob if i want to get a feel for some other players. Prioritising that next unless you have other questions This is why I asked him for reads, I was not happy with how his play was developing this game but his reads seem forced, it's like he can't say 'i don't know' or something, too much summarizing of what happened in the thread without adding analysis or a real conclusion to it. On August 27 2023 18:03 mathenalin wrote: No thoughts on Koshi but i haven't really tried, same with VE i suppose. LS would be my next lynch choice What does he mean hasn't really tried to form thoughts on Koshi and VE? do you not just 'have' thoughts or not? most townies are in a constant state of trying to find out WTF is going on, thoughts are constant, not something that you need to labor over it seems like he is generating reads, rather than forming reads naturally. On August 27 2023 18:14 mathenalin wrote: Koshi is a quick read. He made a scum team and vote on you for the lulz (or some deeper read i dunno) Then you got the wrong end of the stick where he was talkng about iamp and you thought it was about you. Koshi thinks its different? But then also wonders if hes trying too hard to be different. I guess he's null I dont have a read on iamp so I'm waiting to hear what other players pitch in with Same again, summary on Koshi. But how the hell does he not have a read on Imperfection? He was one of the biggest presences in the thread day 1. But here is the killer: You ready. On August 27 2023 03:20 mathenalin wrote: Oh do you think chez is mafia aswell then, i've got a good feeling that he's mafia. He says he thinks Chez is mafia. On August 27 2023 17:40 mathenalin wrote: There is extra votes on chez , more pressure is good ,he is starting to crumble. Then he says that chez is crumbling. On August 28 2023 02:44 mathenalin wrote: From my perspective i sort of knew chezinu and alakazam play weirdly. Chezinu was tracker last game and if he had come out on d2 or d3 and given some weird cryptic info...would i have believed him or given a fuck. Probably not. Point being i think his playstyle last game and this game is actively anti town. So this game i want to see what he does and so far his response to pressure has been non existent except to call the person who accuses him, mafia. Its been low energy and weak. So if someone asked me "whats your mafia read on him" for me i wanted to push him to see what flex he shows and because I don't think he should be able to get away with posting riddles and not engaging with other players. Later you would think that he would have a progression on the read, still be calling Chez mafia, but he actually backtracks when VE pushes him and says that its a policy or health of the town lynch. BUT HE ALREADY CALLED HIM MAFIA THE DAY BEFORE. And more: Again generating a read, doesn't know what it means, being disconnected from your reads is not a town trait. I don't care if he named it up and acted like it wasn't sus. I can't see thoughts and ideas from him, and I could in the first game. On August 28 2023 03:27 mathenalin wrote: Am i a snowflake if i vote VE or is his vote on me so unbelievably bad that its warranted Asking the thread for permission to vote VE. Townies just fucking vote dude, they don't need to gauge the temperature of the room first. It's just too self-aware for someone who was unapologetic in their pushes in the previous iteration of the game. Marv you say you like this, I still hate it for the simple fact that only mafia pretend to have reasons to read people a particulary way, for town it is natural, it is a result of your state of being "town". I actually don;t understand what is to like about this. On August 28 2023 04:58 mathenalin wrote: I think VE is a good choice. Hes been lacklustre and his weird vote on me and chez rules reasoning is super terrible. Glad others have confirmed my feeling. Vote: VisceraEyes Hate this, again, over explained, trying to find validity as being part of the group. Whatever. Too much sheeping, almost zero actual content, this is from a player who actually challenged things in half a cycle previously He is the prime example of old school, fly under the radar, but not too much, post, but say nothing, mafia. | ||
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On August 28 2023 22:11 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmm maybe if I sort of summarise the game from memory in a story form I’ll be able to see patterns from my subconscious. IamPerfection saunters into the thread, “I’m not depressed bois” It’s time to fuck town and be mafia and I’m all out of mafia. Cheezu sprouts from behind the couch, “I’ve been a bad boy Daddy spank me” “I’ll spank you later at the end of the day don’t you worry, I’ll tunnel your ass so hard you’ll see daylight out of it” JSL Pops up “Are we talking Tunneling?” Precedes to seduce Marv before abandoning that endeavour and deciding that Cheezu really was a bad boy. *Three-way with IamPerfection and JSL starts, Cheezu gets fucked in the middle. LS comes in and offers JSL snacks dressed in a bathrobe, Math also comes in and uses the bar. Ve sits in the spa naked but does nothing of note. JSL proceeds to give Math a blow job and Math asks him to say mafia three times fast. All of a sudden. Vixax arrives. “Did you say MARIA? Screams Vivax! Are you cheating on us with *shocked gasp* GIRLS?” IAMP slaps Vivax once and says get a hold of yourself. DP comes in and says girls are cool for half an hour wtf is wrong with you we can be bisexual occasionally. Marvelosity enters the room, his mane is glorious. Everyone appreciates it for a second and then goes to kick VE out of the spa for hogging it. TTT stumbles out from under the couch bitch slaps DP and DP bitch slaps him back. The orgy continues as everyone piles on Cheezu. While DP says we should all fuck TTT instead. Eventually the colossal amount of sex is too much for Cheezu and he’s carted out. D1 ends. Hmmm…. This is how I remember the day mostly. Koshi and LS don’t really come up too much in my memory and Die baby kinda rang the doorbell once to deliver pizza but we forgot to answer and didn’t end up getting much out of it. ![[image loading]](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/08/18/0c/08180c60e5811b83563c5f8920ccaaf5.gif) | ||
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