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On August 28 2023 21:11 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t say typogate
YES TYPOGATE
Ngl I feel like typo gate is legit the most town thing I've seen this game. I could be mad and cheeze def felt otherwise as only confirmed town though so I admit. maybe not the best read but...
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On August 28 2023 21:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 21:10 marvellosity wrote:
Downgrading town lean on Vivax also. Chez called out iamp and Vivax saying ‘they should know better’. Think iamp is town though. Skimmed Vivax’s filter v quickly and I’m not sure there’s anything in there he couldn’t do as mafia no, vivax is town, Why
he went to an argument he didnt have to and pushed it for a lifetime...
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Sorry that was the old grid new one.
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On August 28 2023 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 16:39 DarthPunk wrote:On August 28 2023 16:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 16:28 DarthPunk wrote:On August 28 2023 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk whats the point of even trying to make a case aussies are gonna come and say youre lyncing a lurker anyways. Did anyone say this?? Both you and TTT basically did. One of you is scum and other one dumb. That's it. Yeah I never said this. I call bullshit. Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 08:47 DarthPunk wrote:On August 28 2023 08:21 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.
Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.
I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.
I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.
What you think of mathenalin? im guessing you just agree with this because you dont disagree with it when your top scumread says it.
WTF is this logic?
I agree with my top scumread by default?!?
That is fucking nonsense rayn.
I was trying to push a wagon on Math at that time,
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On August 28 2023 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You're clearly talking to me like i am town, don't even try to deny it.
Explain what you mean by this, provide some evidence, you don't get to make assertions like that without a shred of substance.
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Funnily enough despite going through his filter I couldn't put anything for ve's reads, which... huh.... did he think nobody was mafia? There are one or two posts referencing it though so like maybe he just isn't quoting people makes filter diving hard.
VE when you get back pls give reads. in like a big post. I'll do the same after diving dp and ttt
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On August 28 2023 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk DP, you didnt even try to get people on TTT your top scumread while mebaby was voting there and Vivax already said the post where she voted was tip top tier. Did you really want to lynch not-chezinu?
Why do you think I was pushing him?
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On August 28 2023 21:11 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Im not upset about the lynch not going my way. I dont mind if you dont see the same way as i do since we hardly ever do at least early in the game.
Im upset about the fact you did this:
You posted a catch up post where you almost completely discard the only real case there is in the game. You only mention one marv's post offhand somewhere there when me/marv/iamp/Koshi talked about it in lengths. Like literally everything else there is is like "this is just different from game X"... I didn't disregard it, I thought it was a good pickup, you also need to remember though, I am making a conclusion based on all the posts after that post by VE which is where I thought: 1.) he could actually hold those contradictory positions and not be mafia. 2.) his appeal to emotion/being bad whatever felt genuine and not what I would expect him to do as mafia, Like in endures 1 that guy was crazy trolling fake claiming etc, he genuinely loves playing as scum, didn't read anything but defeat from a town that feels dead and buried. I don't think the confidence you had in it was warranted however, it was not a slam dunk read ever in my opinion. Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Instead you call TTT scum but then you actually decide on voting mathenalin instead. Okay. After that you start convincing TTT that TTT is scum when you should instead be trying to get people to lynch mafia if and as you dont want to lynch either Chezinu or VE.
The people around aside from TTT and you are Chezinu, Jacob, Vivax and mebaby. VE (if back) and Chezinu are going to vote for anything that is not going to be themselves. Now this bothers me;
If you really want to change the lynch from Chezinu to someone that's not VE, you are supposed to convince Vivax, because that will also most likely convince mebaby as she thinks Vivax is town already. But rather than doing that, you make some off-hand questions like "would anyone wanna change?", and continue arguing why TTT is not town... After that you even ask if TTT would switch with you lol.
Which begs the question, did you really want to change the lynch away from Chezinu? I thought Math and TTT were better lynches and both were likely to flip scum. I wanted to lynch chezinu over VE. I tried to push TTT when I saw that DMB was on him and would not swap, but there was no traction, it was never going to happen, particularly with Perfection a very vocal proponent of the Chez lynch, And i thought lynching chez would at least, clear the thread of the tunnelling, the memeing, AI etc a bit so was healthy for the game even if he was town. But yeah, I think this is all clear when you read the events. Not sure why it's not clear to you TBH.
its fine okay.
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On August 28 2023 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 21:10 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2023 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 21:10 marvellosity wrote:
Downgrading town lean on Vivax also. Chez called out iamp and Vivax saying ‘they should know better’. Think iamp is town though. Skimmed Vivax’s filter v quickly and I’m not sure there’s anything in there he couldn’t do as mafia no, vivax is town, Why he went to an argument he didnt have to and pushed it for a lifetime...
Easy win for a mafia Vivax?
Listen, I’m not saying it’s the likeliest possibility. But I’d say game 2 definitely showed he can do his more… whimsical/crazy points of view as mafia, not just town.
Feels like an east win to push a stupid argument to the limit. If hesmafia, what’s the downside? The upside is very clearly the sort of read you have on him. But is it so hard to just argue…
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On August 28 2023 17:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 08:21 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.
Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.
I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.
I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.
this is so horrible... so very horrible.
Yes it is.
TTT usually has a scumhunting agenda not just 'meh' these are my lynches and im good even though they suck, there is a lack of investment in the outcome.
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DP, can you (re) summarise your math points please?
I’ve gone back over his filter. It’s not stacked but at the same time there’s several points I just feel ‘natural, natural, natural’
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On August 28 2023 17:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:iamp: Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 16:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pretty sure Koshi is not mafia iamp. Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 04:10 Koshi wrote:On August 27 2023 10:43 DarthPunk wrote:On August 27 2023 06:40 Koshi wrote:On August 27 2023 06:18 LightningStrike wrote:On August 27 2023 05:56 Koshi wrote:On August 27 2023 05:53 LightningStrike wrote:On August 27 2023 05:50 Koshi wrote:On August 27 2023 05:34 LightningStrike wrote:On August 27 2023 05:25 Koshi wrote:
Dp/rayn/marv scumteam
##Vote DP Why you voting DP? Also isn't it a little to early to form a scumteam? Because it makes me happy. Maybe yes, mayne no. So no reason other than to make yourself happy? Secret reasons that arzn't good enough to write down lol. You want to talk iamp meta? He hasn't made a lot posts so far but maybe slight differences from last game? +1 Together we are 2 I made zero posts at this point (aside from a post saying I wasn't posting) How are there slight differences from last game Koshi? The difference is stark Explained and verifiable the only thing that smells bad is trying to imply it's more than it is. I still have issues with this. It clearly was about iamp. And he makes it about him. Shows he is not reading carefully. But anyway. this is very smart koshi. not necessarily right but still very smart town koshi. another one is the read on mebaby. he doesnt need to make that read, it's flimsy at best, but it's probably what he thinks like 95% sure of it, especially because i thought exactly the same. vote switch to VE like that is not scummy, ask marv.
Disagree, this is focusing on someone misreading a post that is ambiguous and then drawing a large conclusion about their alignment from it.
Seems more scum than town because it doesn't try to get at the root of my alignment, just 'oops I think you made a mistake, now i tunnel you for it'
If we called everyone who misread posts mafia it would be the whole thread except probably marv.
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Also I want your EOD vote switching thesis, I’m genuinely interested 
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On August 28 2023 17:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 10:19 iamperfection wrote:On August 28 2023 10:17 DarthPunk wrote:On August 28 2023 10:15 Vivax wrote:On August 28 2023 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:
Here is my problem with the Chez lynch, it is too easy.
1.)There is very little push back, in fact I am the only push back. And I know I am town, so it seems to me that mafia, whoever they are, are content with the direction of the wagons.
2.) there is very little town cred to be gained from lynching chez, so it doesn't even make sense as a bus.
Not every mafia might want to alter their sleep schedule because of the lynch. It‘s an international game Yeah but the only mafia not on the wagon would be Koshi in my estimation, and he was also not against a Chez lynch. So unless you think marv and rayn are scum. Where are the mafia? your acting like you know chez is going to flip green This is what bothers me about DP. When i read i also noticed Chez is gonna flip green at some point. You should try to lynch anyone you can other than Chez at that point. Like anyone, but yourself. Call bullshit or hindsight on me, but it's what bothers me about DP the most. Did he really try if he was so sure Chezinu is not red?
I really tried, but it was not possible, there was not enough people to swap, part of the problem was that DMB and Vivax would only lynch TTT and then TTT would not lynch himself.
So we could get 4 with me chez, vivax and dmb vs 6 on chez.
That was it, tell me what more I could do?
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On August 28 2023 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm not forming a tunnel.
I lol'd
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On August 28 2023 18:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 03:43 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2023 03:39 iamperfection wrote:
ve is being very nice and it disturbs me It’s not the niceness that disturbs me. His vote is on someone who is suspicious of the other person he’s suspicious of, based on a rule he’s warning his vote target that people take seriously (although he doesn’t but also does) except no one else is taking it seriously. Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like the Mathenalis shit looks even worse in contrast to this: On August 26 2023 21:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look at how Chezinu squirms once the AI figured him out so hard. As if to say "Hey guys this game I'm going to be extra unpredictable so definitely don't ask if I'm mafia!!!"
I'm fucking watching you Chez. You always think it but it's explicitly stated this game. Your filter has its own window. O > O < On August 26 2023 21:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like pregame he was all playing with the AI and now he mentions it in passing and then OH LOOK AT THIS PRETTY PICTURE!!!!
O > O < On August 26 2023 21:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hmmmmmm.....that might not wash, right? Because like........acting extra would make the AI MORE likely to think he's mafia if we were to ask.
Whatever. He won't be able to hide for long if he's mafia. Because I'm watching. ALWAYS WATCHING. Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 04:48 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2023 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like the Mathenalis shit looks even worse in contrast to this: On August 26 2023 21:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look at how Chezinu squirms once the AI figured him out so hard. As if to say "Hey guys this game I'm going to be extra unpredictable so definitely don't ask if I'm mafia!!!"
I'm fucking watching you Chez. You always think it but it's explicitly stated this game. Your filter has its own window. O > O < On August 26 2023 21:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like pregame he was all playing with the AI and now he mentions it in passing and then OH LOOK AT THIS PRETTY PICTURE!!!!
O > O < On August 26 2023 21:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hmmmmmm.....that might not wash, right? Because like........acting extra would make the AI MORE likely to think he's mafia if we were to ask.
Whatever. He won't be able to hide for long if he's mafia. Because I'm watching. ALWAYS WATCHING. That’s the point I mean i know he said he is suspicious of Chezinu in the post where he voted for mathenalin, but i didn't even remember reading those posts at the start of the game. There should be no reason pretty much why Chezinu should be even remotely off his "watching hook". Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 05:23 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 28 2023 02:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 28 2023 02:33 iamperfection wrote:
the first person to accuse chez is scum or something to that effect. Indeed, I hate to be lazy like that but I also filtered him and if you look there is very little in the way of accusation toward anyone but Chez, it feels good to me. Why would you need to find more than one mafia D1? I havent accused many players either. Probably less than him at that time. Am i mafia too? Also come on VE. It's still shitty as hell to say he's scum because he doesn't have any suspicion towards other players except the only player you have suspicions on aside of him... Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 08:25 iamperfection wrote:On August 28 2023 08:21 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.
Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.
I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.
I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.
ve basically basically told the town to go fuck themselves so don't see why anyone can say that's not a good lynch. Like idk how you just brush all this off like it's nothing. It's a really good case for someone to be mafia even if it was not D1.... TTT is even worse for saying we're lynchg for LAL...
He didn't seem mafia to me after he came into the thread and called himself bad, I also think Math is scum, he also thought math was scum.
That made me not want to lynch him.
The legit post by post account of my catchup was posted dude.
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On August 28 2023 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"His vote is on someone who is suspicious of the other person he’s suspicious of, based on a rule he’s warning his vote target that people take seriously (although he doesn’t but also does) except no one else is taking it seriously."
Yeah I understand this, its not as clear cut as you make it out to be in my opinion.
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Hmm I hate it but I'm not seeing dp as mafia now. Like I know he's good enough to do this as mafia but at the same time there is genuine fight and productivity coming out of him. It's fucking annoying I think he's town now.
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On August 28 2023 18:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:
Here is my problem with the Chez lynch, it is too easy.
1.)There is very little push back, in fact I am the only push back. And I know I am town, so it seems to me that mafia, whoever they are, are content with the direction of the wagons.
2.) there is very little town cred to be gained from lynching chez, so it doesn't even make sense as a bus.
1) even if chezinu was mafia, if VE is mafia, why change the direction at that point? 2) why? lynching mafia D1 is always town cred.
I don;t think VE is mafia.
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I still don't get why math is scum though. I guess he's next on the filter dive.
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