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TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 01 2023 08:09 GMT
#1878
And Jakey no your style is to post quickly and without inhibition. You wouldn't post the way you do as town if you thought you couldn't replicate it as red. This is full BS.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 01 2023 08:27 GMT
#1883
Re: Koshi

I'm more confident of my read on JSL and would prefer them to be lynched first, but Koshi would be next. I just feel like JSL doesn't require filtering, whereas I haven't really followed the case on Koshi and am mostly going off of the shift in tone from early to later (he was annoyingly chipper early on, but that has well and truly been stomped out of him), the desperate tone of his case on DP, along with the lack of substance I felt from said case given he pushed it out in five parts. It felt like he wanted to be able to say he'd written a five-part case, but the case didn't warrant that magnitude and by the end I was kind of confused why he wrote it in the first place.

So I want JSL over Koshi, I'm a lot more involved with it, but so long as they both go down I don't mind.



TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 01 2023 08:28 GMT
#1885
Is there anything in particular you want to know Marv? I'm not sure what you're looking for and don't want to just regurgitate it.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 01 2023 08:33 GMT
#1887
I'm okay with Koshi lynch, I don't know them so I don't know how to interpret that action and trust you guys more.

From my limited perspective, he came in with a gimmick of wanting to hurrycurry to give himself more meta range. That doesn't work if he does it as red. But if you guys agree with each other it's more than that I'm down.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 01 2023 08:35 GMT
#1888
What do you think about my points on JSL?

It's very weird right?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 01 2023 08:49 GMT
#1893
I'm not pushing you because I know there's no point and our views *have* converged somewhat so don't worry about it. I just didn't like you claiming I'd read you green when that wasn't my point at all. A big reason I was so tilted was it felt like everyone was taking a very post-modern approach to truth. So I'm not attacking you, I'm just correcting you.

My giving you a pass is one part knowing I'm tilted as shit, and two parts knowing I couldn't lynch you if I wanted to. I'm not confirming you town and you shouldn't claim otherwise. But of all the people we could lynch, you're pretty far down my list anyway because I feel good about Jacob and Koshi and there are two AFKs that probably need to pipe up too before I tunnel one of the two town leaders.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 01 2023 09:11 GMT
#1896
Oh so it's the DP thing. I guess you're the one I've entrusted with him so I'll give you a splurge.

It's a lot of personal stuff that isn't really verifiable and tbh I'd have to go back and reread the initial incident to give exact details anyway. The main thing when he was drilling me was the complete lack of hesitation. In Endurance II I was town and he wanted to lynch me but was tearing himself apart over it so bad I felt like scum. I didn't really have any reads beyond CC iirc (I don't remember the exact point), and he felt that it was unlike me not to have contributed much (same tune as this game). But he was so anxious about being the person that led a mislynch he couldn't do it. He also did similar things to other players, not just me. He was a mess, and I leaned into it as town to survive, much like I eventually did this game. But this game, it was more forced because I put him in an awkward position when I flipped because then all the personal shit I said, the references to personal conversations etc., they came from a confirmed town. So to me, him eventually giving me some charity was something I had to twist his arm to do if he wanted to not be shot to shit after I went down.

One example of a conversation he conveniently forgot in order to suspect me, was one where I had corrected his misremembering of Endurance II. He thought that I'd been pretty solid the whole way through, but in fact, I was almost dying the entire time and only survived one lynch because someone (I believe Slam) forgot to vote. DP acknowledged he'd misremembered it, but then completely erased this from his memory in order to bludgeon me with "you should have contributed by now". So both DMB and DP feel I should do better because of E1, and sort of ignored E2, but DP should know better because I know I've already told him.

More recently, when he described how I set myself parameters, this felt placatory, like I was being Forer'd. I do happen to agree somewhat with the assessment overall, but it wasn't specific enough and didn't really feel like it was an alignment indicative read. He said as scum I'd sacrifice win percent in order to win the way I want. This is true, but I do that as town too. Hell rn I'm not filter diving and I'm flaming idiots. These parametres arose as town organically as a way to keep myself posting. But I go into every game with some idea of how I want to play before I read my role.

So he felt too eager to lynch me early, and too eager to forgive me later. I expect myself to be pretty biased given I was attacked by someone I feel should have every reason not to (team straya has done real well for ourselves these last two games by finding a way to verify and trust each other), so take it with a pinch of salt. I don't trust myself to be objective about it so I'm comparmentalising to a pathological degree.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 01 2023 09:19 GMT
#1902
Also, you and DP aside, DP and I are basically in lockstep now.

When he list-posted, I felt reassured because it lined up real good. DP is somewhat correct in that we see stuff in similar ways, albeit we often take different paths to getting there. I've kept a fairly tight handle on where I was at up until today regarding both JSL and Koshi, and he basically started questioning his DMB read at exactly the same time as I did.

To you this probably doesn't mean much because it's all post hoc, but I'll say it anyway because it's true: While his congruence between this game and IRL is poor, his take is basically where I'd expect it if he were town with the exception of you. Also DP listens to a lot of shit he's not really interested in and smiles and nods, so that incongruence is explainable by DP being shit although it's still a bit much given how he articulated the answer. It's possible he just forgot it though :shrug:
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 01 2023 10:23 GMT
#1915
Okay boys I'm feeling it. We march on Koshi.

After Koshi, unless there's a drastic turn, I want JSL before anyone else. I'm not sure why DP is acting as if that hateful disrespect post from JSL was anything less than a signed confession, but it's going to take a lot for me to consider anyone above them.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 01 2023 10:25 GMT
#1918
Sorry can you explain the trap for you?

Math I remember making one terrible terrible bad post very early on, but otherwise haven't paid much attention. The one that Vivax thought was a bussing.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 01 2023 10:34 GMT
#1922
Sorry eli5 it I'm still too goomba.

Him calling her shot stupid makes you emotional because ____?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 01 2023 10:34 GMT
#1923
oh right nvm I get it I just don't respect it

Nope he's red.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 03 2023 06:40 GMT
#2005
Voting Jacob.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 03 2023 07:18 GMT
#2012
I read Jacob making the same mistake, assumed he was just being dumb, then proceeded to do the exact same thing. I'm pretty smart like that. Possibly PotG.

Is it still a townslip if we assume mafia QT is dead?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 04 2023 12:37 GMT
#2075
Jacob and DP can you give me examples of where else Jakey was setting traps? I didn't notice them.

I don't buy that him being like that was a trap. As if Scum DP would ever fall for that? Why would Jakey ever think that?

Re: The Lamp assumption
Is it really that cut and dry who was getting lynched? I haven't been late game as mafia, but to me it wasn't clear. DP and Marv are still in the game after all.

Re: My confidence level
I'm not 100%. My investment in this game is still not high enough to re-read or build cases myself. I'm open to other cases, I just haven't found anyone as compelling as JSL, who I think is resilient enough to soldier on when put in a hard spot as mafia.

At this point, I'm sort of just assuming we're lynching JSL and Math and if they not it then we lose :shrug:
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 04 2023 13:20 GMT
#2085
See those other examples all feel like they're well within your usual wheelhouse Jakey.

Re: Marv vs. Vivax
I'd call it Vivax. I'm not really entertaining Marv or DP being mafia anymore. Hence why the Lamp assumption feels so sussy.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 04 2023 13:27 GMT
#2088
Whadya mean? I'm hoping to lynch JSL.

Don't overreact to that post. There are two people I want to lynch before you and that basically means I consider you town because we only got two lynches assuming no god medic or w/e. I was just answering the question.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 04 2023 14:11 GMT
#2110
Re: Vivax
JSL called the scum team dumb for shooting DMB.

Jacob is basically the nicest goofiest person you will ever meet, so this was really off. Jacob claims it was a trap to get DP to get prickly if he was scum (as JSL would be calling him stupid).

TBH I've cooled it a lot on the read, and probably prefer Math first now. Jacob thinks I'm tunneling him but it's more like I'm wanting to get him to straighten out and make sense - which doesn't look like is going to happen.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 04 2023 22:41 GMT
#2147
Voting Math.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
September 05 2023 07:05 GMT
#2152
On September 04 2023 23:20 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmm, no I could def vote TTT over math. I could be convinced. He did sort of take the pressure off me in his latest post when I started pushing back on him and theorising about him a little maybe he's scared of me changing lynch target due to his push on me.


Just gonna point out that I'm not scared of you because positionally I've no reason to think I'm in any danger. As of when I took the pressure off you, I've got both DP and Marv thinking I'm town after they both put in time to vet me. So long as that doesn't change, the only way I die is if all three remaining players gang me and do it before the countervote, which I think is unlikely. You've also said a lot about my townliness recently so I don't really expect you to go super hard on me.

So if you think I took my foot off the pedal because you assume I'm scared, I think you should reappraise. I'm not gloating or saying things can't change, but there's no reason to think my current mindset would be one of fear. So me taking pressure off you isn't because of that.

Also IMO people including DP have mischaracterised my aggression onto you. When I tunnel I fucking capital D Dig. With you I've commented and quipped and asked around, but I'd be surprised if my entire word count this game was as big as my tunnel word count on Marv in E1. My confidence in my reads scales with the effort I put into them. So yeah I read you red, but I don't think that read compares in value to whatever Marv or DP put out, who are both more capable and more engaged than I.
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