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On September 05 2023 06:58 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2023 03:30 Rels wrote: Day Four Vote Count
JacobStrangelove (1): TankTopTiger mathenalin (1): JacobStrangelove TankTopTiger (1): Vivax
Not voting (3): DarthPunk, marvellosity, mathenalin
With 1 vote, JacobStrangelove is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Wednesday, Sep 06 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Also a three way split is not going to lynch mafia I don't think. Math would just come in and ninja vote.
We still have a long time
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The theory crafting today will be useful for tomorrow. Just thing end of day vote most scummy. Keep it simple.
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Although do want to see if math will come out of hiding at all if he's obviously the lynch target.
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On September 04 2023 22:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2023 10:57 DarthPunk wrote: DP's GameFAQ's Endgame walkthrough version 1.0
Obligatory before I maybe get killed post:
I think we are in a kind of 3 worlds situation in which 1 of 3 scenario's is the actual reality of the game and our job over the coming days is to work out which world we are living in.
I will outline these scenarios in order of likelihood (in my opinion)
Scenario 1 - Scum team collapse
This scenario basically assumes that the scum team suffered a catastrophic collapse for a variety of reasons. They have no thread control, are not able to find and push mis lynches and their team morale is in the gutter so nobody is trying.
I still think that this is a likely scenario because mathenalin is looking 'classically scummy' and clearly doesn't care about solving the game.
Issues with this is that if the scum team are just self voting one by one, first Koshi, then Math why have they not just conceded the game.
Maybe it is as Marv says, they are relying on us to WIFOM ourselves out of the obvious lynches and rely on us fucking up super badly in order to win.
I guess if this scenario is true we lynch math and then reassess (other option that fits is TTT but I think he is town)
Scenario 2 - Double Bus Gambit
This scenario is most likely if Mathenalin flips town.
Basically we have had a Goon and Mafia RB flip. There is a large chance that they have a GF remaining.
In this scenario LS was bussed because it was only a matter of time until he was lynched, and Koshi decided after failing to gain any traction and looking very scummy after his push on me that he was not able to recover and/or that attempting to not lynch Koshi was basically a scum claim for the remaining Mafioso.
So the GF lynches LS, lynches Koshi and tries to get to end game, not fearing a check.
This is probably the most dangerous scenario for town.
I think in this situation the remaining scum sit in the Marv/Vivax/JSL group. for various reasons which i will outline below.
JSL: this is fairly straightforward, he has been consistently scummy all game, TTT is strong reading him scum, I hated the way he only really cared about the lynch when he was trying to move people off of LS and onto math (in the world where math is town.) there have been a few occasions where things felt manufactured rather than genuine from him honestly i have been back and forth on him all game.
Marv: This would be the most personally upsetting result, cause if he is mafia he is channelling his old skills and pocketed me really hard. There are some good reasons to think Marv is mafia even though he seems quite reasonable and townie.
1.) I analyzed his voting patterns and it makes me nervous, for example: I sheeped his LS read but he was one of the last people on the wagon, after me, and the wagon had a lot of momentum when he got on. He also only voted for Koshi 20 minutes after Koshi self voted. Which makes me wonder if they discussed how they would handle Koshi in the scum discord. I guess when I looked at the voting patterns the concern was that there was a dissonance between marv's position on votes and his actually voting.
2.) There are a lot of metrics that align with his scum play, for example, I am on track to double his post count, he has been outposted by JSL and Perfection. (could be IRL but also tracks with his engagement levels as scum vs as town) He has also been more amiable, which is something that I associate with his mafia play more than his town play.
There is nothing that really jumps out at me that makes him mafia, but if he is trying as mafia it really wouldn't
Vivax: DMB NK, generally looking less town as time goes on, less curious than I would expect. He looks really good for getting DMB to secure the LS lynch, but that is also a bus play that I would expect, particularly if he was needing to manage the image of people.
Scenario 3 - Mafia Vig
This is basically the least concerning and most verifiable scenario.
The idea is that Perfection shot VE (a potentially strong player) while VE's stock was low and claimed vig in order to play the long game.
in this instance because the goon and RB have flipped, there cannot be a GF and Mafia Vig at the same time, COP should check here to eliminate this scenario.
I don't think this is very likely but should be eliminated for clarity.
Where to from here:
I think we lynch Mathenalin and either win the game or eliminate scenario 1.
if he flips town
Consider Scenario 2 (hopefully blue claim can help at some point): I like marv or JSL as mafia in this scenario, probably marv is most likely.
Consider Scenario 3 only if you happen to get a red check on Perfection
If you are town: and I am killed and you need to figure out Scenario 2 without me, you will need to have some thread presence to get it done. That means you actually need to push activity and make yourself obviously town, you will need to find the reasons the last mafia is mafia and make it clear to the others.
Good Luck!!
Wowsers
Why wowsers?
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It's 8am UK time so should be waking up soon so hopefully we'll get a reaction.
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What do you think if math is town Jake? Who is mafia?
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I’ve been diving filters all day trying to figure it out.
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On September 04 2023 23:20 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmm, no I could def vote TTT over math. I could be convinced. He did sort of take the pressure off me in his latest post when I started pushing back on him and theorising about him a little maybe he's scared of me changing lynch target due to his push on me.
Just gonna point out that I'm not scared of you because positionally I've no reason to think I'm in any danger. As of when I took the pressure off you, I've got both DP and Marv thinking I'm town after they both put in time to vet me. So long as that doesn't change, the only way I die is if all three remaining players gang me and do it before the countervote, which I think is unlikely. You've also said a lot about my townliness recently so I don't really expect you to go super hard on me.
So if you think I took my foot off the pedal because you assume I'm scared, I think you should reappraise. I'm not gloating or saying things can't change, but there's no reason to think my current mindset would be one of fear. So me taking pressure off you isn't because of that.
Also IMO people including DP have mischaracterised my aggression onto you. When I tunnel I fucking capital D Dig. With you I've commented and quipped and asked around, but I'd be surprised if my entire word count this game was as big as my tunnel word count on Marv in E1. My confidence in my reads scales with the effort I put into them. So yeah I read you red, but I don't think that read compares in value to whatever Marv or DP put out, who are both more capable and more engaged than I.
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This is fucking hard because I can see reasons why everyone is town but also reasons for everyone to be scum.
Math is definitely the one who looks the worst, but I am just as worried that it's too easy.
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My biggest reservation about Math is that he should have conceded if he was giving up, rather than fucking us all around. I don't think scum Math drops off the face of the earth and doesn't concede. At the same time, I think that's a toxic precedent to set whereby scummers can just disappear and have all heat dropped because "they should have conceded".
His approach to the game seemed 'honest', I don't really expect him to pretend to not have time.
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On September 05 2023 17:30 TankTopTiger wrote: My biggest reservation about Math is that he should have conceded if he was giving up, rather than fucking us all around. I don't think scum Math drops off the face of the earth and doesn't concede. At the same time, I think that's a toxic precedent to set whereby scummers can just disappear and have all heat dropped because "they should have conceded".
His approach to the game seemed 'honest', I don't really expect him to pretend to not have time.
I can see Grack beating people with a stick and asking them to play it out even if they don't play at all on principle for the sake of future games.
I think the time is semi true if played up a bit.
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On September 05 2023 17:00 DarthPunk wrote: This is fucking hard because I can see reasons why everyone is town but also reasons for everyone to be scum.
Math is definitely the one who looks the worst, but I am just as worried that it's too easy.
Last time I was worried about that it was just the truth.
If he's town I can only assume it's Math or ultra long game Marv. But it seems impractical and tbh I wouldn't want to say too much before NK just incase ( as I assume there's no way they're killing me in that scenario)
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On September 05 2023 17:42 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2023 17:00 DarthPunk wrote: This is fucking hard because I can see reasons why everyone is town but also reasons for everyone to be scum.
Math is definitely the one who looks the worst, but I am just as worried that it's too easy. Last time I was worried about that it was just the truth. If he's town I can only assume it's Math or ultra long game Marv. But it seems impractical and tbh I wouldn't want to say too much before NK just incase ( as I assume there's no way they're killing me in that scenario)
Ttt I mean*
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On September 05 2023 17:30 TankTopTiger wrote: My biggest reservation about Math is that he should have conceded if he was giving up, rather than fucking us all around. I don't think scum Math drops off the face of the earth and doesn't concede. At the same time, I think that's a toxic precedent to set whereby scummers can just disappear and have all heat dropped because "they should have conceded".
His approach to the game seemed 'honest', I don't really expect him to pretend to not have time.
Yeah, it's kind of unfair but I think the same way.
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Jacob where did this switch on me come from? While I was swinging at you it felt like you were giving me rave reviews now you're acting like I'm your prime suspect?
It feels almost like you thought I was town until you thought you could lynch me when Vivax turned up?
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Do you think Jake could post this much as mafia though?
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