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On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch. Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain. Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS. Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it. I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1. In between here LS claims. Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol?
See and here too. Why are people just believing the claim straight up? Last game he claimed cop, pretty sure no CC, and he still went down as red. Why is the exact same scenario playing out except this time he's 99% blue according to big boys DP and Rayn? (minus hyperbole, 99% still means strong read).
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@Marv
Last game you said that vivax becomes very clearly town if the game goes long enough. Has it gone long enough? Is he clearly town in your opinion?
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On June 14 2023 16:56 TankTopTiger wrote:
Has Rayn answered why he went on Chezinu so fast and then jumped off? Both actions are hella ambiguous to me for someone who only votes when they're certain.
Rayn seems like to be certain faster than most
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On June 14 2023 17:12 TankTopTiger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch. On June 11 2023 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain. Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS. On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.
I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it. I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1. In between here LS claims. On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol? See and here too. Why are people just believing the claim straight up? Last game he claimed cop, pretty sure no CC, and he still went down as red. Why is the exact same scenario playing out except this time he's 99% blue according to big boys DP and Rayn? (minus hyperbole, 99% still means strong read).
It’s because we all have some idea of the balance of a game and in this game 2 blue roles make sense.
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Fuck this is so annoying.
I still don't like TTT or chez but I need to open back up my aperture because clearly I'm missing something. LS still doesn't look good but he's unCC'd... of course there's no way scum kills him and hes just gonna say he was RB'd again tomorrow. Too much wifom there. I probably need to read CC and slam tomorrow.
I don't think I can scum read rayn/DP/Marv. If any of them are red I'm just gonna have to tip my hat to them.
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On June 14 2023 16:56 TankTopTiger wrote:
Has Rayn answered why he went on Chezinu so fast and then jumped off? Both actions are hella ambiguous to me for someone who only votes when they're certain.
He came off chez because of ls vote.
It was not explored from memory
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On June 14 2023 17:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Fuck this is so annoying.
I still don't like TTT or chez but I need to open back up my aperture because clearly I'm missing something. LS still doesn't look good but he's unCC'd... of course there's no way scum kills him and hes just gonna say he was RB'd again tomorrow. Too much wifom there. I probably need to read CC and slam tomorrow.
I don't think I can scum read rayn/DP/Marv. If any of them are red I'm just gonna have to tip my hat to them.
You need to step up mz.
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We can’t just have people go oh well if Rayn or Marv or do are scum go I guess. We are all catchable
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So if there is another blue role, they sort of "know" or have reason to consider LS red, even if they are not themselves tracker?
And in that position (and I'm not claiming this), they know he's mostly gimped and they may not want to claim based on the likelihood that they've correctly guessed the setup? In the meantime, they get to take their actions and still can claim against him down the road?
Him being blue is based on seriously not much and I'm getting heaped on for not assuming him town yesterday. I was almost lynched partially based on not assuming him town.
You set it up so that if someone did hang on to their blue role, they wouldn't be believed if they counterclaimed him later. Unless I'm missing something, both you and Rayn were being stupid on this.
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On June 14 2023 17:23 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 17:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Fuck this is so annoying.
I still don't like TTT or chez but I need to open back up my aperture because clearly I'm missing something. LS still doesn't look good but he's unCC'd... of course there's no way scum kills him and hes just gonna say he was RB'd again tomorrow. Too much wifom there. I probably need to read CC and slam tomorrow.
I don't think I can scum read rayn/DP/Marv. If any of them are red I'm just gonna have to tip my hat to them. You need to step up mz.
OK fair.
Two questions: how do you think TTT's play is compared to last game?
How do you think Marv's play is compared to last game?
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...or malicious.
Only mafia (and town LS) know whether LS is blue. So while it's very abstract for town, for mafia it'd be really clear that if they can make a mislynch happen against a pending future counter-claim, they are another day ahead of where they would otherwise be, plus free blue.
@Marv
Am I being crazy? This assumption came out of thin air and is bad right?
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I tunneled the shit out of Marv last game for certain things and I was wrong and he was town.
I've thought his posts this game have been good but his activity is starting to look a lot different than last time. I am perhaps giving him a blanket town read because I was wrong last game and I need to revisit this.
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On June 14 2023 17:32 TankTopTiger wrote:
So if there is another blue role, they sort of "know" or have reason to consider LS red, even if they are not themselves tracker?
And in that position (and I'm not claiming this), they know he's mostly gimped and they may not want to claim based on the likelihood that they've correctly guessed the setup? In the meantime, they get to take their actions and still can claim against him down the road?
Him being blue is based on seriously not much and I'm getting heaped on for not assuming him town yesterday. I was almost lynched partially based on not assuming him town.
You set it up so that if someone did hang on to their blue role, they wouldn't be believed if they counterclaimed him later. Unless I'm missing something, both you and Rayn were being stupid on this.
It’s not fucking important if Rayn or I were being stupid unless you think we are both mafia together.
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On June 14 2023 17:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 17:23 DarthPunk wrote:On June 14 2023 17:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Fuck this is so annoying.
I still don't like TTT or chez but I need to open back up my aperture because clearly I'm missing something. LS still doesn't look good but he's unCC'd... of course there's no way scum kills him and hes just gonna say he was RB'd again tomorrow. Too much wifom there. I probably need to read CC and slam tomorrow.
I don't think I can scum read rayn/DP/Marv. If any of them are red I'm just gonna have to tip my hat to them. You need to step up mz. OK fair. Two questions: how do you think TTT's play is compared to last game? How do you think Marv's play is compared to last game?
I’ve talked about mz and Marv at length in my filter if you read that and still have questions I’m happy to answer them.
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On June 14 2023 10:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The reason why i am not more vocal against this lynch is because in my world exactly one of MZ & Vayois mafia.
So are you deep on MZ now? I just quick filtered you and it didn't feel like you were that into lynching MZ?
Why is MZ red? Just based on his aggression levels compared to last game?
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I think I need to stop scum reading TTT as well.
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On June 14 2023 17:47 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 17:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 14 2023 17:23 DarthPunk wrote:On June 14 2023 17:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Fuck this is so annoying.
I still don't like TTT or chez but I need to open back up my aperture because clearly I'm missing something. LS still doesn't look good but he's unCC'd... of course there's no way scum kills him and hes just gonna say he was RB'd again tomorrow. Too much wifom there. I probably need to read CC and slam tomorrow.
I don't think I can scum read rayn/DP/Marv. If any of them are red I'm just gonna have to tip my hat to them. You need to step up mz. OK fair. Two questions: how do you think TTT's play is compared to last game? How do you think Marv's play is compared to last game? I’ve talked about mz and Marv at length in my filter if you read that and still have questions I’m happy to answer them.
Dude it's 2:45am for me and I just got home from flying, I'll reread your filter tomorrow but I'm not gonna be awake much longer so for the sake of conversation right now just work with me here.
I'm trying to take a step back and reassss.
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Marv and I are tied for smallest filter with 4 pages. Last game by the time he died he had a 26 page filter.
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On June 14 2023 17:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 17:32 TankTopTiger wrote:
So if there is another blue role, they sort of "know" or have reason to consider LS red, even if they are not themselves tracker?
And in that position (and I'm not claiming this), they know he's mostly gimped and they may not want to claim based on the likelihood that they've correctly guessed the setup? In the meantime, they get to take their actions and still can claim against him down the road?
Him being blue is based on seriously not much and I'm getting heaped on for not assuming him town yesterday. I was almost lynched partially based on not assuming him town.
You set it up so that if someone did hang on to their blue role, they wouldn't be believed if they counterclaimed him later. Unless I'm missing something, both you and Rayn were being stupid on this. It’s not fucking important if Rayn or I were being stupid unless you think we are both mafia together.
Kinda weird that both of you did it though right?
In your shoes assuming town, I might feel dumb, but I'd probably be asking why someone else made the exact same mistake?
I haven't ruled out you're both mafia together, nor am I assuming it. I just think it was a stupid/boldscummy thing that two otherwise strong players did. Bonus points I get to shit on Rayn for partially basing his read on me yesterday for it.
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On June 14 2023 17:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 17:47 DarthPunk wrote:On June 14 2023 17:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 14 2023 17:23 DarthPunk wrote:On June 14 2023 17:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Fuck this is so annoying.
I still don't like TTT or chez but I need to open back up my aperture because clearly I'm missing something. LS still doesn't look good but he's unCC'd... of course there's no way scum kills him and hes just gonna say he was RB'd again tomorrow. Too much wifom there. I probably need to read CC and slam tomorrow.
I don't think I can scum read rayn/DP/Marv. If any of them are red I'm just gonna have to tip my hat to them. You need to step up mz. OK fair. Two questions: how do you think TTT's play is compared to last game? How do you think Marv's play is compared to last game? I’ve talked about mz and Marv at length in my filter if you read that and still have questions I’m happy to answer them. Dude it's 2:45am for me and I just got home from flying, I'll reread your filter tomorrow but I'm not gonna be awake much longer so for the sake of conversation right now just work with me here. I'm trying to take a step back and reassss.
No worries I’m not trying to sass you . Take the time you need
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