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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 14 2023 06:46 GMT
#1861
On June 14 2023 15:43 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 14:43 DarthPunk wrote:
But the fact that this game is really hard I think points to a mafia in the Marv/Rayn slot. and I guess Rayn think the same but the Marv/DP slot, and Marv will probably think the Rayn/DP slot.

(not saying I'm on the same level as these guys or anything)

I guess if i HAD to lynch into one of Rayn or Marv, I would lynch Rayn, because I respect his scum play more.

I really really don't think a time stressed marv would be able to keep up as Scum. (unless he has more energy and engagement with scum play than he used to.)

Shady lady.

But yes, plenty to think about this night.

Please at least tell me the lynch was dramatic for when I go read how it ended up going down


I think I was the only person really engaged at the end. Rayn a little as well. So not dramatic at all.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 14 2023 06:48 GMT
#1862
Well we just agreed on a day 2 lynch candidate. Just need to be better and agree on a better one, apparently

We have one more mislynch only?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 14 2023 06:49 GMT
#1863
On June 14 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 15:43 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2023 14:43 DarthPunk wrote:
But the fact that this game is really hard I think points to a mafia in the Marv/Rayn slot. and I guess Rayn think the same but the Marv/DP slot, and Marv will probably think the Rayn/DP slot.

(not saying I'm on the same level as these guys or anything)

I guess if i HAD to lynch into one of Rayn or Marv, I would lynch Rayn, because I respect his scum play more.

I really really don't think a time stressed marv would be able to keep up as Scum. (unless he has more energy and engagement with scum play than he used to.)

Shady lady.

But yes, plenty to think about this night.

Please at least tell me the lynch was dramatic for when I go read how it ended up going down


I think I was the only person really engaged at the end. Rayn a little as well. So not dramatic at all.

That’s irritating information-wise on a d2 lynch.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 14 2023 06:52 GMT
#1864
On June 14 2023 15:48 marvellosity wrote:
Well we just agreed on a day 2 lynch candidate. Just need to be better and agree on a better one, apparently

We have one more mislynch only?


yeah I think so, not a great spot TBH
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 14 2023 06:53 GMT
#1865
On June 14 2023 15:49 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 15:43 marvellosity wrote:
On June 14 2023 14:43 DarthPunk wrote:
But the fact that this game is really hard I think points to a mafia in the Marv/Rayn slot. and I guess Rayn think the same but the Marv/DP slot, and Marv will probably think the Rayn/DP slot.

(not saying I'm on the same level as these guys or anything)

I guess if i HAD to lynch into one of Rayn or Marv, I would lynch Rayn, because I respect his scum play more.

I really really don't think a time stressed marv would be able to keep up as Scum. (unless he has more energy and engagement with scum play than he used to.)

Shady lady.

But yes, plenty to think about this night.

Please at least tell me the lynch was dramatic for when I go read how it ended up going down


I think I was the only person really engaged at the end. Rayn a little as well. So not dramatic at all.

That’s irritating information-wise on a d2 lynch.


I think this points towards town on town more than anything.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 06:54 GMT
#1866
But the fact that this game is really hard I think points to a mafia in the Marv/Rayn slot. and I guess Rayn think the same but the Marv/DP slot, and Marv will probably think the Rayn/DP slot.


This is exactly what I was thinking reading on my phone (I can only read on phone, so can only post when I have access to computer).

If we have Marv, DP, Rayn (lol at DP pretending he thinks he's not as good as Rayn and Marv), there is no way a non-lurky mafia goes this long without getting spotted. I think they have an "S-tier" player able to smooth the course for them. I haven't filter dove but having read Marv today I feel better about him than before. Rayn is hard to read because his bluster feels meh but it always does.

I'm going to try and get into this again. I'm kind of one day ahead of the rest of town knowing that if I'm lynched next the game is 3xlylo.

Why is everyone town reading Slam? I don't get it. Is it just that he's not engaged and so therefore town? Because that's super lame (of Slam if true).

Also I can't remember who (DP??) but someone said LS is 99% town and that doesn't make sense to me. He's not 99% town. He was on death row, and if red, he made the same play he did last game (claiming blue) but this time no CC. It's pretty clear he decided coming into this game he was upping his posting and resilience so this does not clear him. Listen to the way he tells people he's resolute in not backing down, that's a decision he's made not some organic feel he's developed. He's claimed blue so yeah maybe don't lynch, but I don't see any way that he's confirmed town given we don't know the setup.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 14 2023 06:59 GMT
#1867
I was getting slightly worried about LS yesterday because he hadn’t posted for a while. But I thought some of the stuff he posted when he was back looked really town. Stuff I don’t think he can post as mafia. I’ll dig it out at some point if I have to
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 14 2023 07:03 GMT
#1868
On June 14 2023 15:59 marvellosity wrote:
I was getting slightly worried about LS yesterday because he hadn’t posted for a while. But I thought some of the stuff he posted when he was back looked really town. Stuff I don’t think he can post as mafia. I’ll dig it out at some point if I have to


I'm less sold on LS as blue then I was, if there is another blue they should claim the next day while we still have one mislynch in hand.

If there is not mafia in the Marv/rayn slot I wonder if a successful LS fake claim is what made the game really hard?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 14 2023 07:05 GMT
#1869
On June 14 2023 15:54 TankTopTiger wrote:
(lol at DP pretending he thinks he's not as good as Rayn and Marv)

I have a LOT fewer games than they do, so yeah I actually do think that.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 07:05 GMT
#1870
Yeah but explain why he was all the way at 99% (if that was you).

Because you're skittish af second guessing yourself every which way and 99% is super duper high.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 14 2023 07:06 GMT
#1871
On June 14 2023 16:05 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yeah but explain why he was all the way at 99% (if that was you).

Because you're skittish af second guessing yourself every which way and 99% is super duper high.


it's hyperbole.

Can you focus on important stuff please
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 07:09 GMT
#1872
LS where are you mate?

Marv if you show me why his recent posts are towny I'll listen. I don't read them that way but he's lazy tunneled on me (no conviction/curiosity, just cheering against from a quick filtering). It seems to me like he feels pressure to think something (ANI), and his tunnel is what he feels obligated to do. I don't think this makes him red because this is a doozy of a game and it's got us all stumped, but it doesn't feel towny.

DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 14 2023 07:15 GMT
#1873
On June 14 2023 16:09 TankTopTiger wrote:
LS where are you mate?

Marv if you show me why his recent posts are towny I'll listen. I don't read them that way but he's lazy tunneled on me (no conviction/curiosity, just cheering against from a quick filtering). It seems to me like he feels pressure to think something (ANI), and his tunnel is what he feels obligated to do. I don't think this makes him red because this is a doozy of a game and it's got us all stumped, but it doesn't feel towny.



We aren’t lynching ls without another blue claim.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 07:15 GMT
#1874
On June 14 2023 16:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 16:05 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yeah but explain why he was all the way at 99% (if that was you).

Because you're skittish af second guessing yourself every which way and 99% is super duper high.


it's hyperbole.

Can you focus on important stuff please


That's fine. You've made me roll my eyes too with policy gate, let's not fight.

IMO people are saying too much dumb shit like "99%" when they don't mean it, and that makes it hard to find scum who similarly are throwing out empty reads.

So I'm going to ask for clarification and you can be annoyed but it's better if you just answer and move past it. I felt disempowered at what felt like everyone evading me yesterday, so I'm not letting people get away with not answering anymore.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 07:17 GMT
#1875
DP I just said he claimed blue so not lynching. I also explained yesterday that I wasn't trying to lynch the blue role. I was super clear. But he's not confirmed town and we are going to need him to be talky talk by lylo which is almost certainly going to happen. So I need people to stop treating him like confirmed town just because we're not lynching him.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 07:29 GMT
#1876
Because people are suspicious of me for not magically solving the game like last game when this game is harder and nobody else is solving it either. The game is hard because we've got too many people refusing to play the game and instead trolling or hiding behind a blue claim.

I think for me, in this game right now, the only people I can possibly catch are CC, Vivax, and MZ (if red). DP, Rayn, Marv all feel above my paygrade, and the rest aren't giving enough information. It's going to be 6-3 tomorrow and I think that will be leaving us with a scum Marv/Rayn/DP vs. the town Marv/Rayn/DP.

Of the three within reach, I obviously think CC is reddest but I haven't closely read anything by her in like 24 hours. So we need Chez, Slam, LS, and myself to stop fucking around.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 07:47 GMT
#1877
Has Rayn's vote on Chezinu been explored. I was just comparing his filter to last game and found this:

On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2023 21:39 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:32 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:
[quote]
Tell me what the point is then

You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say.

How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me?

Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work.

If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it.

If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.

You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit?

I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree?

I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible.

If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her?


I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta


So Rayn believes it's unlike him to vote on people unless he's certain at the time. His vote on Chezinu was wildly thrown out, and he changed his mind 1.5 hours later. I think people have talked about this vote but I can't remember reading any satisfying resolution to the line of questioning.

If you haven't answered already Rayn, wtf was up with voting chezinu?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 14 2023 07:47 GMT
#1878
On June 14 2023 16:15 TankTopTiger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 16:06 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 16:05 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yeah but explain why he was all the way at 99% (if that was you).

Because you're skittish af second guessing yourself every which way and 99% is super duper high.


it's hyperbole.

Can you focus on important stuff please


That's fine. You've made me roll my eyes too with policy gate, let's not fight.

IMO people are saying too much dumb shit like "99%" when they don't mean it, and that makes it hard to find scum who similarly are throwing out empty reads.

So I'm going to ask for clarification and you can be annoyed but it's better if you just answer and move past it. I felt disempowered at what felt like everyone evading me yesterday, so I'm not letting people get away with not answering anymore.


I’m not answering because it’s obvious and your fixation on stuff like this rather than scum hunting is part of the reason you could be mafia
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 07:55 GMT
#1879
Dude I'm not fixating. I literally said it was fine and moved on because you answered. WTF?

"fixate"

Your answer was that it was hyperbole. I wasn't rejecting your answer, I was saying it's stupid for us to foster the environment in which we just allow ambiguous shit go. So you can roll your eyes, but it's better to just answer than kick up stink.

The final para was a roadmap for how I want to actually resolve shit going forward.

Unless you feel you didn't answer? In which case now I am interested in what your real answer is if it's not hyperbole?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 07:56 GMT
#1880
Has Rayn answered why he went on Chezinu so fast and then jumped off? Both actions are hella ambiguous to me for someone who only votes when they're certain.
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