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On June 11 2023 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:
I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS. Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one. Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people.
I’m posting bro. What do you want? This game is fucking hard right now.
Cause the ppl who look the worst to me. LS and Copcake are being town read all over the place.
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On June 11 2023 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:
I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS. Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one. Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people.
Do you think MZ was lying about being a bottle of wine deep and having personal issues?
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On June 11 2023 06:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:55 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:
I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS. Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one. Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people. I’m posting bro. What do you want? This game is fucking hard right now. Cause the ppl who look the worst to me. LS and Copcake are being town read all over the place. Well help me understand, because to the extent that you have suspicions, they really don't make sense to me based on what you've already posted. Can you just give me a quick, 1 paragraph summary on why you think either (or both) of them are the top of your list?
I mean not really. Ls I dont actually think is mafia. I just think his posting, sheeping and “one of cop and dp” are scum look bad. But I literally just posted my thoughts on him.
Copcake: had strong reads from nowhere that she didn’t want to talk about and when she finally did the reasons really didn’t correlate to the Strength of the read.
And I don’t think emotion and crazy posting like hers can’t be faked (I know because I can fake it myself)
But I think Rayn is town and I am trying to find a way to understand his town read on her so I’m not sure she is the lynch either.
I want to know what vayoletta actually thinks rather than the vague airy posting she has done. Cause she is alluding to an opinion on cake without actually sharing anything.
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On June 11 2023 07:02 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2023 06:58 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment. I think he is pretty clear in this post: On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times. Hence the "opportunistic" point. I read his filter and get the sense that he is seriously reading the thread (all that CC / DP shit is insane) enough to summarize it for other people. But the depth of his reads are completely at odds with the amount of effort he is presenting himself to be putting into the thread.
I don’t think he could be engaged enough to seriously keep up as mafia.
Meta read whatever, trust me on this you have to give him time. He always always always is up for a lynch at the start of games, but just like last game he will be obvious later.
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On June 11 2023 06:59 CopCake wrote:
I am heeereeee (for a while)
Hypothetically, if I am town who is mafia Copcake?
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On June 11 2023 07:06 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 07:02 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2023 06:58 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment. I think he is pretty clear in this post: On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times. Hence the "opportunistic" point. I read his filter and get the sense that he is seriously reading the thread (all that CC / DP shit is insane) enough to summarize it for other people. But the depth of his reads are completely at odds with the amount of effort he is presenting himself to be putting into the thread. I don’t think he could be engaged enough to seriously keep up as mafia. Meta read whatever, trust me on this you have to give him time. He always always always is up for a lynch at the start of games, but just like last game he will be obvious later. What is your history with TTT? Played on other sites, or is this just based on the TL games? Happy to take a look.
Irl friend for 20 plus years. Played games forever, irl, forum, board games etc
This is all explained in the previous game.
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On June 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Truth to be told Cake can easily fake emotion and crazy posting as mafia, i jsut don't think this is it.
Eli5 please.
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On June 11 2023 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 07:02 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2023 06:58 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment. I think he is pretty clear in this post: On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times. Hence the "opportunistic" point. I read his filter and get the sense that he is seriously reading the thread (all that CC / DP shit is insane) enough to summarize it for other people. But the depth of his reads are completely at odds with the amount of effort he is presenting himself to be putting into the thread. I don’t think he could be engaged enough to seriously keep up as mafia. Meta read whatever, trust me on this you have to give him time. He always always always is up for a lynch at the start of games, but just like last game he will be obvious later. Last game he was obvious town from the start, the obs just didn't read the game at all D2.
Yeah he got pressured in the thread straight up though.
And he had 2 days of content to parse and got to read all of day one in one go.
Yea it’s different and my town read on him is not as strong as last game.
But he will be obv maf later so why risk it. That’s my perspective pretty much.
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On June 11 2023 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote:
But he will be obv maf later so why risk it. That’s my perspective pretty much.
Yes i am in the same boat with the information i have this far. Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Truth to be told Cake can easily fake emotion and crazy posting as mafia, i jsut don't think this is it. Eli5 please. What?
Why cake is town.
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On June 11 2023 06:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:
I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS. Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one. Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people. Do you think MZ was lying about being a bottle of wine deep and having personal issues?
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On June 11 2023 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Can you explain like I’m five why cop is town so I can move on? Cause the emotion argument is something I place very little emphasis on in general. I don't see any problems with her train of thought especially in the argument with you. Sure probably not all the things are right but i believe she genuinely believes in what she says. Your case is mostly about her having a strong town read on me. I don't necessarily think it's impossible for her to have a town read on me, and the town read doesn't even need to be strong to question you on the things she did (which started from like the same thing i started questioning you). Hell i would have done the same i did if you asked your question towards anyone but me, even if i didn't have a town read on them.
Ok thanks
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On June 11 2023 07:17 Hapahauli wrote:
ALso where did Cake go? Wasn't she here a minute ago?
Hopefully reading the thread.
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On June 11 2023 06:54 Chezinu wrote:
##unvote
##vote raynpelikoneet
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On June 11 2023 07:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I don't wanna lynch DarthPunk today. Whatever reservations I had between him and Copcake do not warrant a D1 lynch and to be honest I can't even remember precisely what I didn't like beyond tone. His contributions today have far outstripped the stuff from 24 hours ago.
If LS is town who is mafia?
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On June 11 2023 04:39 Vayoletta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 15:30 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:28 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:15 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2023 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So okay DP.
In my opinion you asking me who to lynch right now only really makes sense if you think i should have or could have a scum read based on something in the game. Did you think i should have a scumread at that point of the game and if yes, then who would that be and why? If you don't, why did you ask the question -- and furthermore why did you try to "force" me to answer when i clearly said i can't answer at that point? Tbh this is a normal way to start the game. Of course we can´t know already who is who or if somebody make scum or not. Its imposible to manage it in the first 10 posts of the game and just 3-4 players are active right now. But how else should the game get started. It seems like a normal questing to just ignore chez and slam usually meme/troll posts. Somebody has to make a start here and this is just a normal way. Only second game here but seems normal to me (for now) This. Not always, mafia can pretend to “scumhunt” and engage conversation. Cakeroni, who’s pretending to scumhunt here?
On June 11 2023 06:17 Vayoletta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 05:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Re: CopCake
Also not a fan of lynching her. She seemed to take genuine offense at being called mafia, which is an objectively townie trait. I take those emotions (especially sustained, over a long period of posting) in much higher regard than some weird sequence of posting early in the game. Copcake is aggressive in a way that would come natural for town, but would have to be faked for wolf. Is Copcake a faker with a poker face or not?
Like you think this might be going somewhere, but where is it going? It's alluding to having reads but not actually having a read.
Is this like an edgy meta from another site?
Anyway don't like this.
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On June 11 2023 07:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:09 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Truth to be told Cake can easily fake emotion and crazy posting as mafia, i jsut don't think this is it. To be clear, I am not reading Cake as town solely because she is displaying emotion. I look for what emotions people should be displaying given the circumstances, and Cake lines up well. Whereas, MZ does not to me (grandstanding on LS seems like manufactured indignation in context). Literally all of your points against me Hapa are that you don't like the tone of my posts. Go read Marv's "analysis" of me last game and then reference my VT flip. I'm not gonna waste thread space arguing with people about my "tone" or whatever you want to call it two games in a row.
I'm also going to put it out there that MZ was incorrectly tunnelled last game. Got hit with a storm, get's vigged. Joins this game and then is basically tunneled again for similar reasons.
Makes sense to be snarky, if we are town reading for emotional congruence.
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On June 11 2023 07:27 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:26 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 04:39 Vayoletta wrote:On June 09 2023 15:30 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:28 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:15 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2023 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So okay DP.
In my opinion you asking me who to lynch right now only really makes sense if you think i should have or could have a scum read based on something in the game. Did you think i should have a scumread at that point of the game and if yes, then who would that be and why? If you don't, why did you ask the question -- and furthermore why did you try to "force" me to answer when i clearly said i can't answer at that point? Tbh this is a normal way to start the game. Of course we can´t know already who is who or if somebody make scum or not. Its imposible to manage it in the first 10 posts of the game and just 3-4 players are active right now. But how else should the game get started. It seems like a normal questing to just ignore chez and slam usually meme/troll posts. Somebody has to make a start here and this is just a normal way. Only second game here but seems normal to me (for now) This. Not always, mafia can pretend to “scumhunt” and engage conversation. Cakeroni, who’s pretending to scumhunt here? On June 11 2023 06:17 Vayoletta wrote:On June 11 2023 05:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Re: CopCake
Also not a fan of lynching her. She seemed to take genuine offense at being called mafia, which is an objectively townie trait. I take those emotions (especially sustained, over a long period of posting) in much higher regard than some weird sequence of posting early in the game. Copcake is aggressive in a way that would come natural for town, but would have to be faked for wolf. Is Copcake a faker with a poker face or not? Like you think this might be going somewhere, but where is it going? It's alluding to having reads but not actually having a read. Is this like an edgy meta from another site? Anyway don't like this. Everybody be pointing them fingers. Watch out you got three coming your way.
I always have them pointed my way. This game is not about survival Chez. do you know what that means?
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On June 11 2023 07:30 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 22:57 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2023 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 16:39 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:
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The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️ Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no? I literally went to have lunch I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted. Oooff this is good actually. On June 10 2023 16:36 DarthPunk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Catch up post:(I have been following the thread on my phone but I am using the 2 hours free time I have now to post in more detail.) On June 09 2023 21:48 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway like I said before the role PMS were posted going to be posting less this game, look forward to some clarity on that super early rayn town read by copcake that forms the lynchpin of basically every post she has made subsequently.
Goodnight. Dude, do you even know how much I post per game? This is nothing lol On June 09 2023 21:49 CopCake wrote:
Tell me darth, how much do I post per game to know what is too little or too much? :D These posts make me think the cop cake stuff could just be a comprehension issue. I was clearly talking about myself posting less. It does make me concerned that someone is calling someone out without reading/understanding? their filter cause I had talked about this on the front page as well. On June 09 2023 21:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 21:49 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hey DP can we get clarification on your use of the term "good faith" so we're all on the same page because I've seen it used multiple ways and seen a lot of people get confused by its different uses.
Do you just mean honest?
@copcake
Re: a lie
This is verifiable. Which questions do you not think were answered in the thread? I fucking like this guy! Ya this cements how I was reading him to be honest. This post is scummy to me, but I think LS has posted so much more this game than last, MZ states later that this could be a reaction to his failings as scum in the prior game, and that could be true, but do people adjust so fast? can LS adjust that fast? I'm not sure, following the thread I feel better about LS than last game at this point I guess? I think he might just post in a way that is traditionally scummy. the real thing to look for is engagement levels, and they seem to be higher, but I also don't see him analysing things or scum hunting. Is LS able to do those things as town? On June 09 2023 21:51 TankTopTiger wrote:
FWIW I don't care at all for any argument based on post-count, I'd ignore if for now if DP doesn't expand upon it. Find it weird that TTT did not read the post properly either. On June 09 2023 21:51 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:30 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
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I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? - someone else - Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me. Is this hard to understand? You do t understand clearly. I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol. But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info. So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps? Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions. So my only assumption is that either: 1.) you have not read or understood the thread or 2.) You have read and understood and are not operating in good faith And BTW it has been hours and you have repeatedly ignored the question I have asked about why you think Rayn was town so early in the game, particularly when rayn said in the OBS thread from last game you always think he is scummy. No by the time, you didn't answer my slam question which I needed, so you are just fabricating a scenario here. I invite EVERYONE to read my filter. Yep, either willful ignorance or straight up ignorant (see my big post on the matter) On June 09 2023 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 22:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:32 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 22:28 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:16 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:14 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 21:35 CopCake wrote:
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Because he refused to answer you and questioned you why are you asking, I also think he is treating the "DP vs CC" really neutral Almost 40 min ago you really think that makes me town? What would i do if i was mafia? Trying to get me emotional and angry have i done that before or where do you get that idea? Yes, you have. He did get emotional and angry, Marv even pointed this out in the thread so how does this make any sense. getting emotional and angry is different than getting someone else emotional and angry. and i didn't even get e/a. Now i am starting to for this shit. Oh ok I misread never mind wtf? how can you misread "getting someone angry" into "getting angry"? Do you think i was getting angry or are you just sheeping marv's shit? How you ask? Its midnight, I'm phone posting in bed and I was drunk. I wasn't sheeping marvs shit, I was saying, if Marv thought that, it would be reasonable for others to also think this, but yeah just misread it. Lol. On June 09 2023 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote:
#186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)
But you actually answered slam in #187.
So why did you answer that before?
I do believe #186 goes before #187. I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam. On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.- These two posts are absolutely not aligned, first is 'look i am participating I get whats happening' second is "yeah so confusing." Actually LS is sheeping rayn hard On June 09 2023 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
that being said the thing between DP and Cake is so convoluted i can't comprehend even when reading their filters... Make it easier to understand if you think one is mafia pls. Then On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.- Like rayn is clearly trying to get somewhere in the mess, LS is just trying to be part of it without actually adding things? On June 09 2023 22:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote:
#186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)
But you actually answered slam in #187.
So why did you answer that before?
I do believe #186 goes before #187. I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam. I think it is some other questions DP is saying Cake is asking whihc he had answered already. That has to be the only explanation otherwise this just shitting up the thread for very little reason. Again this is making my head spin -.- More rayn sheep. Pretty gross. This post by Vivax is WILD!On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Had a nice nap after almost being choked to death in my sleep tonight.
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.
I‘d also add that the way rayn followed into DPs footsteps in regards to Cake felt forced and hedgy.
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.
With that in mind and them not giving off the same energy as last game where at least rayn seemed like an easy townlean, Cake gets my axe for wagonomical reasons til I get to decide if rayn isn‘t a better lynch for the way he got smacked into submission by DP.
##Vote DarthPunk
Something about Ttts entrance also rubbed me the wrong way as it felt like they were evaluating the dp-cop interaction from the sidelines as an opener that suggested they wanted to play it safe. On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. This partis just straight up untrue. I never town read LS on face value, I call that post out for feeling crafted, and guess what, Copypasta. It was. On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake. What questions? the one I did at the start of the game to get shit going? no idea what this means TBH On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on. I never mentioned her lunch. the thing we both saw was a narrative of suspicions cast at me which relied on a super early town read of rayn that didn;t make sense based on the stated meta of her scum reading rayn. And then she refused to elaborate on this town read. Yeah shit post Vivax TBH. + Show Spoiler +On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? Now LS sheeps vivax's take of the cupcake /Dp battle feeling forced. But its cast as his own idea? He knows someone else feels that way, vivax just posted that exact sentiment. Bad, bad, bad. On June 10 2023 04:17 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 04:12 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 03:15 Hapahauli wrote:On June 10 2023 03:09 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 02:36 Hapahauli wrote:On June 10 2023 02:35 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 02:19 Hapahauli wrote:On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance? I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam. I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it. Weak tbh, I had the same urge with you and there‘s a bunch of info around already. You used to be more opinionated. Once upon a time I had a full head of hair and now it is gone. Relatable. Mine goes grey instead. Re: opinions, there are a lot of games that I’ll have strong opinions, but this thread is difficult for me. There is “information” but a lot of it to me is bad. It’s basically DP shitting up the thread by forcing a case on CopCake, because he can’t help himself. But that doesn’t give me a lot to go on. Frankly, I’m more skeptical/suspicious of players that have developed strong opinions more than anything else. MZ’s post looks quite bad to me in that respect. I’d think yours is bad too, but I also think you’re of the same mentality as DP. Regarding the bolded do you think this is alignment indicative for Darth? I don’t think forcing a case is alignment indicative in an early game context. Stuff like him refusing to read Chez’s wall of text and then reading said wall anyway tells me he was just bored early game and doing random shit. Wrong, its actually pro town (not that the case on CC is particularly forced IMO) I feel fairly comfortable taking heat from people and provoking activity at the cost of some mild defending. I definitely have been the driver of a lot of activity and forcing people to take positions early in day one which is certainly pro town. You're right in regard to me though, I could probably still do this as mafia. On June 10 2023 05:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 14:23 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:21 Alakaslam wrote:On June 09 2023 14:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Why do you have a strong opinion of LS alignment slam? Statistics, and difference of opener. Why you got all questions and no reads, m8? I asked all the questions last game iirc it ain't so townie You don't think I have talked about peoples alignment? Even though you quoted my post stating lynching LS at the time was a good call? Don't you think that qualifies as a read at this point in the game? His opener doesn't seem that different to me. Still seems anxious and crafted. Yes it is anxious and crafted. It‘s not from this world or era. It‘s pasta, copy..pasta. Do you think that‘s not revenant, DP ? Do you really think that ? Yep, that is why I scum read him for it immediately. lol. On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.
that's my best read atm Bad. On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.
that's my best read atm Initially I thought hapa didn't do enough to establish himself as town when he entered the game, particularly if he prides himself as being easy to read (and from memory this was very true when he was town 7 years ago) But the second read through he seems better to me, just feels very relaxed. On June 10 2023 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 05:41 CopCake wrote:
Explain me the chezinu thing
Is it only because he voted vivax? Chezinu is a good hunter of power roles as mafia, and has a "blue/red sickness" as town, which means people tend to play more cautiously when they are a power role rather than vanilla, and Chezinu recognizes that (and thinks it's mafia because mafia also plays more carefully). Vivax is not blue, never fucking ever in this game, so Chezinu has to be mafia because he i voting for Vivax and Vivax doesn't even look scummy at all. The problem with this is that I don't think he read his role PM. On June 10 2023 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think lynching LS is the way here though
Agree at this point in my read through. On June 10 2023 06:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Ok if I have to choose out of Darth and CopCake who is mafia more likely Darth? CopCake didn't lie about her stuff towards him and Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason? Bad. On June 10 2023 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you have to choose? Exactly. On June 10 2023 06:14 LightningStrike wrote:1 of them is mafia the other is town. It felt to forced from one side (IE how I caught a mafia player in the past and was correct on who). This is usually what happens when 1 person is town the other is mafia. Where the fuck did this come from? On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote:
I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim.
And y‘all thought you were good. Is this only for activity levels? YOu also thought he was town last game FWIW. And were very wrong. On June 10 2023 06:22 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh.. does anyone else think LS is mafia? Darth does but he's not here. And it's only gotten worse as I read through I am afraid. On June 10 2023 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote:
I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim.
And y‘all thought you were good. i am going to agree, even if i dont want to. WTF?! Why the backflip. On June 10 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier: On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? From both of them? No. It felt like it from one side at least but I having a hard time figuring out who and why. Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:05 CopCake wrote:On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier: On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? Do you think it was w vs w or a town vs wolf? If the last, who was the most town? closer to Mafia vs Town type of deal (Or Wolf vs Town since you know Werewolf better i think?) In that case I have no idea at the moment to be honest. Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2023 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier: On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? From both of them? No. It felt like it from one side at least but I having a hard time figuring out who and why. .................... the what? At least how I read that entire conversation between the two of them it felt forced from one side IE one of them is mafia type of deal with how that entire sequence felt. I dont think iam gonna get around of this any more. "I think one is scum but i cant specify which just one is or for what reasons!!" ##unvote Chezinu
##vote LightningStrikesorry vivax i think this is it. Nevermind. On June 10 2023 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm idk i think i let Hapa off too easy, it as kinda bad after all what he posted.. Bad does not equal scum. Otherwise Vivax is 1000% mafia in this spot. On June 10 2023 09:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
I finished work right now... and wow much to read. I was just fast reading and have to read it again more accurately after some sleep, but what I got so far is
Vivax is posting a lot of bullshit nonsense
MZ writes bad as last game
LS seems suspect for me
Rayn seems always suspect for me so I can't make a opinion on him.
TTT Strong Townread
Marv is okey for now
Chez is Chez. I still think he is not human. His account is a first AI try for scum maybe.
And I have to Filter everyone I didn't mention here.
I like DMB this game, not that I agree with all her reads, just reminds me of the end of last game a bit, like she is reading and comprehending what is actually happening. Not pretending to. Thats like 75th percentile play at this juncture. On June 10 2023 12:26 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
welp, posted without really previewing but LS never came back to that question about Chez which just reinforces my impression that he was casting random suspicions rather than scum hunting. I was scum hunting by asking questions about people trying to come up with my own conclusions? I did come up with my own conclusions and was some of posting them. Actually you were sheeping strong players. HARD. This is just so not true. On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. This is the big reason to scum read cop cake, she was paranoid as fuck in the obs thread, and it makes no sense for her to say, I was wrong last game and now I think you are town. I also think the way I enter games tends to draw out interest from scum trying to start a wagon on me, it's a great way of getting reads IMO. Then how should I read this ? Didn't her lunch make you go Oooff when rayn pointed it out? Do you skip lunches, Darth Punk ? Do you discriminate against Mexican cuisine is that what you want to say? If you are town I better see you gulp down two sushi burritos in a row or else. The oof was the fact that she was asking for information which was answered in the post quoted. Which meant a lot more to me in that moment than subsequently because I was not considering the slam thing. So why are you saying I am mafia? Because I should be paranoid of rayn? I should call him mafia all the time? Because in ONE single obs discord chat you came to that conslusion and make it an absolute truth? When rayn quoted that and you “ooooffffed” me it felt very opportunistic, very very and even worse after i explained that you didnt answer the slam thing. It felt like if you were a wolf from those old vintage disney cartoons wolves that got happy because he saw fresh meat.
If you are town can I ask that you please move on? or at least consider something else. Because shitting up the thread rehashing that shit is not helpful at this point, and not having any other reads from you aside from a bad tunnel on me just makes me more likely to want to continue voting for you, even after rayn and hapa are very nicely causing me to reconsider.
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On June 11 2023 07:33 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh my god, DMB's first few pages in Endures #1 is... something.
Ignore that IMO, read after the Vivax flip and towards the endgame.
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On June 11 2023 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i understand correcty Hapa is saying that MZ basically took every post in LS filter and tried to make it look like everything LS has done is just straight out scummy, when that's never ever tha case no matter which player in question.
To be fair, if it was possible to do this with anyone in good faith, it would be possible with LS. When I read his filter, most of that shit looks scummy.
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