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TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 02:45 GMT
#1081
Do you normally get this angry?

It feels fake because your position is weak (Tracker and policy), but Koshi was furious last game I guess under similar circumstances.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
June 11 2023 02:48 GMT
#1082
Yes!!!!! We did it!!! We got the doctor again just like last game!!!

Oh and umm:

On May 25 2023 11:15 Chezinu wrote:
Red/Blue blind
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
June 11 2023 02:51 GMT
#1083
Mafia, you need to kill the vigilante now as the vigilante shoots the second highest voted lynch candidate to flip them town.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
June 11 2023 02:53 GMT
#1084
On June 11 2023 11:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Well at least she can commiserate with Vivax IRL right?

Should have more cuddle time to comfort her during this lollable time.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22410 Posts
June 11 2023 02:56 GMT
#1085
On June 11 2023 11:53 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 11:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Well at least she can commiserate with Vivax IRL right?

Should have more cuddle time to comfort her during this lollable time.


My brother in Christ I will sleep with one eye open tonight whole tip-toeing towards the makeup stage
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6788 Posts
June 11 2023 02:56 GMT
#1086
On June 11 2023 11:45 TankTopTiger wrote:
Do you normally get this angry?

It feels fake because your position is weak (Tracker and policy), but Koshi was furious last game I guess under similar circumstances.

No I'm honestly pretty chill but I'm really irritated with how the last couple hours have played out.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 11 2023 02:59 GMT
#1087
On June 11 2023 11:56 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 11:53 Chezinu wrote:
On June 11 2023 11:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Well at least she can commiserate with Vivax IRL right?

Should have more cuddle time to comfort her during this lollable time.


My brother in Christ I will sleep with one eye open tonight whole tip-toeing towards the makeup stage

Salaam

I MEAN bendiciones
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 11 2023 03:00 GMT
#1088
Remember, lynch me last

WAIT VIVAX TO DMB

VE TO HAPA
NO SHUT UP LISTEN

VE TO HAPA

ME TO CHEZINU

WARCH IT HAOOEN
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 11 2023 03:00 GMT
#1089
Watch it happen
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
June 11 2023 03:11 GMT
#1090
On June 11 2023 12:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Watch it happen

Kill TTT thus time. Lol!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 11 2023 03:28 GMT
#1091
On June 11 2023 11:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 11:45 TankTopTiger wrote:
Do you normally get this angry?

It feels fake because your position is weak (Tracker and policy), but Koshi was furious last game I guess under similar circumstances.

No I'm honestly pretty chill but I'm really irritated with how the last couple hours have played out.


Hard to argue for a lurker lynch when they are just going to be modjilled. I was on board but could still see it going either way.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 06:09 GMT
#1092
DP why is a lurker lynch even viable assuming no modkill?

Killing a lurking town isn't helping us.

Every cycle, scum get an NK. Every cycle, town get a lynch. Lynch is far worse than NK, and it's only through informed lynching can town close the inherent disadvantage. Informed lynching comes from information, and the best information which helps interpret all other information is... through lynching.

If we lynch a lurker, we basically start again D1 minus (probably) two town. This is disadvantage over time and not something we should ever want.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 11 2023 06:14 GMT
#1093
On June 11 2023 15:09 TankTopTiger wrote:
DP why is a lurker lynch even viable assuming no modkill?

Killing a lurking town isn't helping us.

Every cycle, scum get an NK. Every cycle, town get a lynch. Lynch is far worse than NK, and it's only through informed lynching can town close the inherent disadvantage. Informed lynching comes from information, and the best information which helps interpret all other information is... through lynching.

If we lynch a lurker, we basically start again D1 minus (probably) two town. This is disadvantage over time and not something we should ever want.


yeah, that is the argument. but at some point, you don't lynch someone you have strong belief is town just for GTO math.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 11 2023 06:18 GMT
#1094
On June 11 2023 15:09 TankTopTiger wrote:
DP why is a lurker lynch even viable assuming no modkill?

Killing a lurking town isn't helping us.

Every cycle, scum get an NK. Every cycle, town get a lynch. Lynch is far worse than NK, and it's only through informed lynching can town close the inherent disadvantage. Informed lynching comes from information, and the best information which helps interpret all other information is... through lynching.

If we lynch a lurker, we basically start again D1 minus (probably) two town. This is disadvantage over time and not something we should ever want.


Why is the lurker town though?

This doesn't even make sense if there is no modkill. at the end of the lynch it was pretty obvious that DMB was gonna flip town, so if Violetta is not going to be modkilled then its better to lose the dead weight and a more likely mafia flip.

Why is she even likely to be town in this spot?

Presumably you have town reads, the more town reads you have the more likely mafia is in the pool of people that aren't being read as town, so the more likely someone in that pool flips maf

Don't get it.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 06:49 GMT
#1095
I misspoke, => probably town based on math.

Even if they're red, they don't give us anything. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but I'm pretty sure back in the day one of the stats I read was that counterintuitively, if mafia get lynched D1, this favours red. The informational advantage outweighs the material advantage.

There was a case, you had noticed real shit. She was blue which makes her act different. She could have claimed and we would have moved on but she didn't.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 11 2023 07:09 GMT
#1096
On June 11 2023 15:49 TankTopTiger wrote:
I misspoke, => probably town based on math.

Even if they're red, they don't give us anything. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but I'm pretty sure back in the day one of the stats I read was that counterintuitively, if mafia get lynched D1, this favours red. The informational advantage outweighs the material advantage.

There was a case, you had noticed real shit. She was blue which makes her act different. She could have claimed and we would have moved on but she didn't.


She did claim though
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 11 2023 07:09 GMT
#1097
On June 11 2023 16:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 15:49 TankTopTiger wrote:
I misspoke, => probably town based on math.

Even if they're red, they don't give us anything. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but I'm pretty sure back in the day one of the stats I read was that counterintuitively, if mafia get lynched D1, this favours red. The informational advantage outweighs the material advantage.

There was a case, you had noticed real shit. She was blue which makes her act different. She could have claimed and we would have moved on but she didn't.


She did claim though


Just couldn’t see it until after she flipped
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 11 2023 07:10 GMT
#1098
Also I think it’s definitely better to lynch mafia over town. I don’t care what anyone says
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 07:18 GMT
#1099
Okay but the probability that DMB was mafia was not zero. In retrospect yeah it might seem that way, but if we have that superpower we would just choose to lynch mafia every day.

You convinced me based on reasons that were real. Her seeming town for the moments before dying does not undo the shift inf her behaviour. She was a purple who didn't claim when piled on at the 11th hour. LS claimed. DMB breadcrumbed.

raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 11 2023 08:32 GMT
#1100
sorry i fell asleep :/
table for two on a tv tray
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