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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 11 2023 14:39 GMT
#1140
On June 11 2023 10:40 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 10:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 11 2023 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 11 2023 10:38 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got home from playing Pokemon GO and out with family and I see DMB is the lynch O.O I didn't see anything scummy from her when I had remembered reading her filter earlier. Also the way that wagon formed fast is very bad indications honestly. Also MZ Vayoletta most likely will be replaced or Modkilled regardless of his alignment so policy lynching him isn't exactly a great idea.


And he appears!

Like magic!

Holy fuck it's unreal, just like last game lmao


Yeah, I could actually lynch him at this point, im sorry hapa.

##unvote

## Vote: LS

For fucking Justice!


This hyperbole was superscum and no one can tell me otherwise. But what do I know, I don't have ten pages of filter of which approximately half were omgus.
I'm not resting until I'm out, or he's out.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 11 2023 15:18 GMT
#1142
On June 12 2023 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is scummy about that?


His posting feels dishonest. Agenda-driven. There‘s multiple agendas in the thread. I think Chez and Slam have their own, I think vayo might have her own, but DP‘s and TTT is purely about wrestling thread control and using it to their advantage, with their target‘s alignments being secondary.

They pursue the means and not the ends.

Can‘t put my finger on it based on posts in isolation right now and I‘m too lazy for that, but I‘m assuming it‘s alignment indicative.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 11 2023 16:29 GMT
#1144
On June 12 2023 01:01 CopCake wrote:
I think DP is just like that, last game he also sounded extremely manipulative, I called him mafia many times for that.

He read marv bad too.



You mean to say all of the narcissism with none of the self loathing ?

nutso alert:
+ Show Spoiler +
Did he have to experience advanced weaponry on his own body as well for something he didn‘t do ?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 11 2023 18:49 GMT
#1148
Actually after a fresh filter scratch the half the filter is omgus thing.

Guess I was still influenced by his reply wall saying my post was wild and then doing nothing about it and emotions got the better of me so my mind flipped back into the less analytical personality so to say.

Still think he is mafia and got a bunch of players hanging by his tongue, but that wasn‘t something I said that fitted within the facts.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 11 2023 19:17 GMT
#1149
Chezinu actually makes sense, and he's a thrilling enigma. Consider him towned for tomorrow. Got no clue why he's mentioning Rels tho.

As for Cake, I don't really see where her head is at so a basic readslist would be appreciated cause tomorrow I'll stop giving leeway.

But DarthPunk is still mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 11 2023 20:04 GMT
#1150
@ Vayo, DP

Are you two familiar with each other?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 11 2023 20:45 GMT
#1153
How's life at the peak of the prism, Chezinu?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 11 2023 23:26 GMT
#1159
On June 12 2023 07:19 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 05:50 Chezinu wrote:
On June 12 2023 05:45 Vivax wrote:
How's life at the peak of the prism, Chezinu?

People still need to sign up.

Just so you know, sign-ups are still open:

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/107855-the-prism-sign-ups


Consider me /in‘d, but after this one is over.
Snuggling with this game‘s jesus atm
More like Cheesus according to her palate
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 12 2023 10:11 GMT
#1255
Man, I must have slept through two days and now need to have ketchup for breakfast.

On June 12 2023 11:21 DarthPunk wrote:
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On June 12 2023 11:18 LightningStrike wrote:
So the only people really active the last hour of Day 1 were Darth, MZ, Hapa(dead town), dmb (dead town), TTT, and Vivax. Just wonderful -_-
Read Hapa's filter and the only thing I got out of it so far is he had a big scumread on MZ hmmmmm.


Can you stop acting so scummy otherwise I’m going to think you fake claimed.

Mafia know that mz was on Japan’s radar that could be the reason the nk him it’s wifom that you yourself used as mafia last game as mafia.



I lol'd.

HEY GUYS I'M LOOKING FOR MAFIA SO STOP PLAYING LIKE ONE OR I WILL CATCH YOU.

I'm unceremoniously UnScumreading DarthPunk. I believe his post before the flip to be more likely from town and I tip my hat if that is a scum post.
LS' post after the flip felt like a slight taunt so mindmeld points to that.

Now to see where CC's head is at.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 12 2023 10:53 GMT
#1261
This is a pomegranate of a post. Do you eat that abomination of a fruit whole? No, you open it up and find out if the seeds are edible, which I'd like to find out here.

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 12 2023 12:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
A bit disorganised at this point, reading through all the posts since #30 atm, I'm up to #53 so I'm biased towards happenings within that frame.

I just spent a lot of time inside my head on you DP. Real spooky. I thought that a red DP would see the difference between DMB last game and this game, and know it meant blue. Then they could lead the mislynch, but have meta from previous game on leading mislynches. Bonus points for backing away from it at the last minute by reading them green (ad lib). But it was Rayn that pointed you in that direction, so that play doesn't work out unless redDP is very fortunate and just had this play fall into his lap (I don't think Rayn's suggestion was red at all). There were some other things. Your reactions have felt artificial twice to me - one was in response to CC, can't remember the other. You being onboard with policy feels irrational but I'm not actually sure on your position on that and WW may have softened you up.
But overall it's too much reach, so I'm back to treating you as green based on the overall pro-townliness of your play. Your read on me is exactly what I would expect and I can't argue against it. I'm not as engaged in poor information environments.

Rayn is green.

LS is weird because I think he decided at the start of the game that he was going to play differently and so my main reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt feels artificial. Someone said at some point that he feels very in the moment and I agree with that. He also seems to come across as artificial whenever he thinks he should be providing an anger response (congruent with autism claim). So I sort of just want to leave him and see where he takes it for now.

I still see CC as red. I don't really want to engage with her because she counter-tunnels and shits up the thread leaving everyone confused. I don't think there's anything she could say that would change my mind, but she also hasn't really done anything since that alleviates or intensifies my suspicion. The read is stale but it's still my firmest read.

Overall, I think town have been eating town a lot, but also in many directions. This sort of environment is something I wanted at the start of the game (not the TvT thing, but the diversity of opinions thing as opposed to last game which felt sychophantic to me from many). This pushes me in the direction of thinking that mafia are more passive, so toward Vayo, Marv, and Slam.



A bit disorganised at this point, reading through all the posts since #30 atm, I'm up to #53 so I'm biased towards happenings within that frame.


I'm not sure how this belongs here. Post intro describing that TTT is reading a fraction of D1, then a bunch of reads from memory?

I just spent a lot of time inside my head on you DP. Real spooky.


How so? Did he have clothes on?

I thought that a red DP would see the difference between DMB last game and this game, and know it meant blue. Then they could lead the mislynch, but have meta from previous game on leading mislynches. Bonus points for backing away from it at the last minute by reading them green (ad lib).


I'm guessing you analyzed DP's attitude at EoD here from a perspective where he's mafia. But I don't understand the meta from previous game on leading mislynches part. It looks like an unfinished thought. As for the latter I guess you want to say that DP genuinely had no suspicion about DMB being blue?

But it was Rayn that pointed you in that direction, so that play doesn't work out unless redDP is very fortunate and just had this play fall into his lap (I don't think Rayn's suggestion was red at all). There were some other things. Your reactions have felt artificial twice to me - one was in response to CC, can't remember the other. You being onboard with policy feels irrational but I'm not actually sure on your position on that and WW may have softened you up.
But overall it's too much reach, so I'm back to treating you as green based on the overall pro-townliness of your play. Your read on me is exactly what I would expect and I can't argue against it. I'm not as engaged in poor information environments.


Heavily appeasing tone towards DP in this bloc.

Rayn is green.


Thanks?

LS is weird because I think he decided at the start of the game that he was going to play differently and so my main reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt feels artificial. Someone said at some point that he feels very in the moment and I agree with that. He also seems to come across as artificial whenever he thinks he should be providing an anger response (congruent with autism claim). So I sort of just want to leave him and see where he takes it for now.


Well, he claimed. Why is he discussing a claimed PR this intensely? Feels performative. That's not an unlimited free pass but the attention I'd devote to him right now would be marginal.

I still see CC as red. I don't really want to engage with her because she counter-tunnels and shits up the thread leaving everyone confused. I don't think there's anything she could say that would change my mind, but she also hasn't really done anything since that alleviates or intensifies my suspicion. The read is stale but it's still my firmest read.


I don't equate emotionality with shitting up the thread in all cases. But I'm not aware of her having been that tunneled on anyone (which I will revisit) in particular. Mostly I'd have liked to find out who her lynch pool was after she was on the backfoot for most of D1.

Overall, I think town have been eating town a lot, but also in many directions.


Weird phrasing. I'm also a pac-man aficionado.

This sort of environment is something I wanted at the start of the game (not the TvT thing, but the diversity of opinions thing as opposed to last game which felt sychophantic to me from many). This pushes me in the direction of thinking that mafia are more passive, so toward Vayo, Marv, and Slam.


Pardon me for asking, but shouldn't CC be among those if that's your final listing and you just called CC red?
Would like to know if you just forgot to put her there or if you meant the mafia besides her. Cause if you forgot to put her there, that's something that would make you scum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 12 2023 11:01 GMT
#1262
On June 12 2023 14:04 CopCake wrote:
I am town TTT and I checked my filter and answered all your questions. I think I over reacted to your “ooofff comment” that made me think that you were mafia and made me tunel you hard, you don’t wanting to answer me if you think TTT could play you also made me 🤷🏽‍♀️ when I was trying to focus in something else.

I invite you to pls, consider me town. Be wary of me if you wish but have me as town for a while. When rayn pointed out the end of the day I realized my mistake. And I hope you are humble enough to consider yours (if i remember correctly you went hard on LS because he appeared “like magic” and called dmb good, then she progressed bad and then “she was acting the same way as last game”)

I have my suspicious on TTT and that is nothing new, reconsidering my Slam read also, I wonder if he started to look “less stressed” because he read in the obvs that being like that is a mafia trait of his, if I remember again the EoTD he changed his vote according to Happa’s will. Something similar when there was the Marv vs DP (I am never ever ever lynching Marv to lol bye see that cool case!), I need to see more of vayoletta and marv, so I’ll have them in null.

I dont trust Vivax, his 180° flip on me has me ????? Like if he is just following what is “cool”.

I need to re read MZ, I barely remember something.

Chezinu is… Chezinu.

But can someone explain how the blue/res disease works?


I challenge you to find where I flipped on you, cause I remember asking you for a rough readslist or similar + being more attentive to you today. Not calling you scum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 12 2023 12:50 GMT
#1282
On June 12 2023 20:03 CopCake wrote:
Tbh now TTT and DP look worse in my eyes (DP get a bit of a pass because of EotD and would be too tinfoil)

Because they relayed on the word of ONE person, and a obvq in which I didnt called rayn mafia that much to make a whoooooooooleeeee strong read on me.

To me it looks like one of them or both took the opportunistic “rayn is a strong player let’s go from there” door and tried to grill me.



I think DP came off as townier after review, but I wasn‘t going to proclaim that during night phase and his behaviour around Hapa flip seemed genuine unless he‘s pulling off HF style scumplay.

I take issue in this post that during D1 I had a similar perspective on TTT and DP having an associative component linking them and you keep perpetuating the same into this day expecting me to be an ally to you for the purposes of not getting lynched.

While I‘m over thinking that the associative behaviour made them mafia, I still think TTT in isolation can be.

To put it in simpler terms: Can you find arguments to scumread them in isolation? Because this looks like you‘re double omgusing without being clear about which one is the dishonest omgus and which one has a point.

At this point I think DP comes off as townier and TTT can be explained by being mafia who‘s hiding by attempting to be his shadow. Would explain the lack of suspicion on his part.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 12 2023 14:02 GMT
#1333
On June 07 2023 06:58 DarthPunk wrote:
/in but I may not be as active as before


Meanwhile, Cake after opening his filter looking for a way to reply:



On June 12 2023 22:55 CopCake wrote:
- ignored forever now -

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 12 2023 14:48 GMT
#1337
On June 12 2023 23:28 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 23:02 Vivax wrote:
On June 07 2023 06:58 DarthPunk wrote:
/in but I may not be as active as before


Meanwhile, Cake after opening his filter looking for a way to reply:

https://youtu.be/ohM60o8_QjM?t=60

On June 12 2023 22:55 CopCake wrote:
- ignored forever now -



Having played with Copcake before, do you think there is anything she has done to give you the impression she is town?


I don‘t fancy myself a good reader of her.

In Chezinu streaks she was mafia and I couldn‘t tell iirc. But I think she‘s generally more contributive with less pressure to a point where you can revisit her filter and figure out other alignments from that when she‘s mafia.

So you‘d be better off avoiding to tilt her to gather a genuine response. As you‘re giving her an out from generating fake reads when she can just omgus her pursuers.

There‘s signs of sloppiness in her filter like when she assumed I had a read on her. That was an exaggeration of what I had asked of her in the night that I could see make her scum.

I‘d vote her, but that‘s cause I‘m willing to compromise, not because I think she‘s slamdunk scum. And I‘d feel stupid if she wasn‘t and it ended up to be an instance of marv/vayo/mz or something of the sort.

That said, I could use more input from MZ after that Nk.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 12 2023 18:20 GMT
#1371
On June 13 2023 01:53 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2023 23:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:40 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:22 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:18 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:10 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:08 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 22:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 10 2023 22:53 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2023 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

Oooff

this is good actually.



On June 09 2023 16:48 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm mad I didn't spot that.


On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]
Are you reading the thread?

Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?

You are not operating in good faith.

I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn

Why do you not know this??


The only thing not in good faith is that last post, it's neither mad nor are the questions particularly alignment indicative. And you didn't even ask what she had for lunch. If I told you I buried a hatchet under my sunchair, would you not want to know what it looked like?


How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly.

Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place.
That is


In hindsight it was about me pointing out how recycling posts is so blatantly careless that mafia would be less likely to do it.
The post probably makes more sense if you read it from a mindset where I was half baked at the phone, noticing your disregard for the two crucial pieces of information that LS' was a recycled post and that cake had cake for lunch.

And also that I couldn't follow the argument you were making about cop being mafia and a read of her filter did nothing to change my mind about it.


Well presumably you are now enlightened, does that change anything for you.


I barely manage to keep electricity going, imagine being enlightened.

On June 09 2023 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem with Cake is that every time i am town and she is following the game she thinks i am mafia, i have a hard time imagining she genuinely has a town read on me right now.


This is probs the point I could see as the most valid as rayn's the one who should have the best grasp on her alignment, but I have no guarantee that rayn isn't mafia and took an easy route when you offered it to him and (in my opinion) coerced him into going after Cake.


That is a very valid point.

Also, I don't coerce Rayn to do shit. Rayn does his own thing and chooses what he does and doesn't place value in.

So, all this being the case, who do you want to lynch right now?


The way he went after Cop had a similar dynamic to you+marv pushing me towards mebaby last game.
Felt like coercion then, as it's not something I wanted to do but had no way of countering.

Ok so are we both town then? Because Marv and I were both town last game vivax!

Yeah, Vivax’s post is nonsense because I very openly spent as much time as I could trying to clear DMB and never came close to voting for her.


Which post ? Mafia couldn‘t try to clear dmb ?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 12 2023 19:02 GMT
#1383
On June 13 2023 04:01 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chezinu, you ol' messenger i summon thee!!!
What do you think Slam's alignment is, and can you give some reasoning behind the read please?

Troll objective.

As may have gathered. I give myself handicaps cause style before victory and the host give me handicaps cause I'm just awesome at thus game.


Anyways. Troll objective is to have Slam, Chez, and TTT toward end game. Then we kill TTT.

That's why the list us the way it is. Rayn and Vivax entertains me, so they live for now.


Thanks !
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 12 2023 19:17 GMT
#1387
On June 13 2023 04:10 marvellosity wrote:
Can’t believe after so long not having played with Hapa I basically didn’t get to play with him. I blame him.


Yeah Hapa you heard it
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 12 2023 20:09 GMT
#1388
Marv ? Are you still partying...Marv ?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 12 2023 20:40 GMT
#1394
On June 13 2023 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can legit tell you two things why i am not mafia.
DP is alive and Hapa is dead.


Maybe we should lynch him then lol.

I‘m currently genuinely unwilling of looking at Slam/Chez as a team.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22298 Posts
June 12 2023 20:46 GMT
#1397
On June 13 2023 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Does nobody really see all the problems in this post?
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay this is just going to go on forever with you getting more and more pedantic, and we're still a way off lynch anyway.

The case is:
+ CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it
+ CC is not paranoid when she should be
+ CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later
+ CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS)

I'm gonna leave it here for now unless you have anything but nitpicks and telling me to read entire other games when I'm struggling to keep up with this one.

I'm gonna write this whole thing open in like 7 hrs when i get home but i believe this is purely and utterly 100% mafia post.


I‘m with you on that one.
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