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On June 10 2023 18:29 CopCake wrote:
Ok, this is bullshit, specially the “copcake doesnt read rayn as mafia therefore she is mafia muhahahahaaha”
Honestly, I have answered this, I said that after what happened last game, which my 6th sense told me “rayn is mafia” I decided not to make the same mistake IN GAME.
What is the best thing a town cake needs to do?
Correct her mistakes and play better.
My focus on DP went how fast he jumped on me with the “ooofff” comment.
1.) No it's not. The reason I think you are mafia, is because your push against me relied on a town read on rayn to make any sense, and reading rayn town so strongly at that time didn't make sense.
2.) You were focused on me before I made that "oof" post, in fact that post was in reaction to you pushing me. Why are you retconning this narrative?
Why do you always try to make things other than they are?
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Confusion and misrepresentation are the traits of mafia.
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On June 10 2023 20:24 Hapahauli wrote:
I’m still fixated on MZ and Chez being our best lynch candidates here. I’ll have more on MZ in a bit.
Re: Chez, I think his posting structure of having his vote on Vivax while +1’ing other suspicions in the game is scummy. He did so to my post against MZ and MZ’s post against LS.
Do you think he read his role pm? Cause I don’t.
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I’d like meat baby to explain her ninja vote on me also.
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On June 10 2023 20:40 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 20:34 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 20:24 Hapahauli wrote:
I’m still fixated on MZ and Chez being our best lynch candidates here. I’ll have more on MZ in a bit.
Re: Chez, I think his posting structure of having his vote on Vivax while +1’ing other suspicions in the game is scummy. He did so to my post against MZ and MZ’s post against LS. Do you think he read his role pm? Cause I don’t. I think he didn't read his role PM at the beginning, but he probably did so later. I looked through chez's meta a bunch back in 2020 when I played a game (and LYLO) situation with him, and my key takeaway was that he was actually a very good teammate. It is very uncharacteristic for him to try to troll his team and screw them over, which hypothetically not reading his role PM for a day could do if he is mafia.
Oh ok, he said last game that he typically doesn’t read it til day 2 and so I kind of take that on face value with chez. (Don’t think he lies about that stuff)
I agree with the good teammate stuff and think he is still readable despite what others think.
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On June 10 2023 20:54 Hapahauli wrote:
I still think the worst thing in the thread is MZ's posting. I've mentioned his entrance post, but his post on LS also gives me the shakes.
I think it is a lot of grandstanding by MZ. Full of very unnecessary sarcasm, snarkiness... like he's trying to criticise LS's play. I'll elaborate more when I am at my computer later this afternoon.
We just tried to mislynch him last game so I think people are a bit cautious.
I’ll re read his posts though.
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On June 10 2023 19:35 Vayoletta wrote:
Allright, I need to like speedread the the whole discussion not about me here.
Who wants to get free townpoints by offering me a summary of relevant events?
Have you caught up? Any thoughts?
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On June 10 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote:CC is Town for me at the moment:CC is Rayn's fiancée. She is pretty sure that Rayn is Town. You find it suspicious that she sees him as Town when she usually sees him directly as Mafia. To me it looks more like she's just Town. When you are with someone you are sure what they are hiding or not hiding. I totally understand her reaction to your suspicion that she is red. Actually, it's just the emotional bond she has with Rayn. Strong Townread or Strong Mafiaread is just normal reaction of Love. Eyerthing inbetween would be a red flag for her. I feel the same way about Vivax. Either I see directly that he is green or red. In the first game I didn't think that it could be blue. DP looks bad for meThere is no specific post that makes him red for me, its just the way he writes. Feels different to the last game. VivaxI don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me. Chez Chez is posting is always hard to understand for me. I don´t know why but always messge hidden in message or he posting english proverbs, that I as a non englisch person don´t know or understand and have to google it. This game he is makeing different trolls. different writing. Feels supect but still its chez ane he is hard do read so grey flag MZIt feels like you are here all the time reading along but staying silent. You have made 10 posts and we already have over 30 pages in the thread. As a mafia I would also stay quiet and restrained. LSShow nested quote +On June 09 2023 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya my posting is considered scummy as fuck
#hatersgonnahate It´s not hate it is what it is. Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 11:31 LightningStrike wrote:
For real though Darth I really hope we actually are the same alignment because we always been opposite alignments in the games we played together. Yeah together in the red team Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:54 LightningStrike wrote:Darth you should go to sleep like you keep on saying  Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious. Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing.
No offense, but I'd really appreciate a bit more than "nothing in particular" and "you just feel different to last game" witha sample size of two as a reason to vote for me, particularly as it makes no sense that I was hard bussing LS and he was bussing me day one.
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On June 10 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 16:39 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️ Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no? I literally went to have lunch I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted. Oooff this is good actually. Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 16:36 DarthPunk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Catch up post:(I have been following the thread on my phone but I am using the 2 hours free time I have now to post in more detail.) On June 09 2023 21:48 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway like I said before the role PMS were posted going to be posting less this game, look forward to some clarity on that super early rayn town read by copcake that forms the lynchpin of basically every post she has made subsequently.
Goodnight. Dude, do you even know how much I post per game? This is nothing lol On June 09 2023 21:49 CopCake wrote:
Tell me darth, how much do I post per game to know what is too little or too much? :D These posts make me think the cop cake stuff could just be a comprehension issue. I was clearly talking about myself posting less. It does make me concerned that someone is calling someone out without reading/understanding? their filter cause I had talked about this on the front page as well. On June 09 2023 21:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 21:49 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hey DP can we get clarification on your use of the term "good faith" so we're all on the same page because I've seen it used multiple ways and seen a lot of people get confused by its different uses.
Do you just mean honest?
@copcake
Re: a lie
This is verifiable. Which questions do you not think were answered in the thread? I fucking like this guy! Ya this cements how I was reading him to be honest. This post is scummy to me, but I think LS has posted so much more this game than last, MZ states later that this could be a reaction to his failings as scum in the prior game, and that could be true, but do people adjust so fast? can LS adjust that fast? I'm not sure, following the thread I feel better about LS than last game at this point I guess? I think he might just post in a way that is traditionally scummy. the real thing to look for is engagement levels, and they seem to be higher, but I also don't see him analysing things or scum hunting. Is LS able to do those things as town? On June 09 2023 21:51 TankTopTiger wrote:
FWIW I don't care at all for any argument based on post-count, I'd ignore if for now if DP doesn't expand upon it. Find it weird that TTT did not read the post properly either. On June 09 2023 21:51 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:30 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
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I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? - someone else - Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me. Is this hard to understand? You do t understand clearly. I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol. But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info. So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps? Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions. So my only assumption is that either: 1.) you have not read or understood the thread or 2.) You have read and understood and are not operating in good faith And BTW it has been hours and you have repeatedly ignored the question I have asked about why you think Rayn was town so early in the game, particularly when rayn said in the OBS thread from last game you always think he is scummy. No by the time, you didn't answer my slam question which I needed, so you are just fabricating a scenario here. I invite EVERYONE to read my filter. Yep, either willful ignorance or straight up ignorant (see my big post on the matter) On June 09 2023 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 22:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:32 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 22:28 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:16 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:14 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 21:35 CopCake wrote:
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Because he refused to answer you and questioned you why are you asking, I also think he is treating the "DP vs CC" really neutral Almost 40 min ago you really think that makes me town? What would i do if i was mafia? Trying to get me emotional and angry have i done that before or where do you get that idea? Yes, you have. He did get emotional and angry, Marv even pointed this out in the thread so how does this make any sense. getting emotional and angry is different than getting someone else emotional and angry. and i didn't even get e/a. Now i am starting to for this shit. Oh ok I misread never mind wtf? how can you misread "getting someone angry" into "getting angry"? Do you think i was getting angry or are you just sheeping marv's shit? How you ask? Its midnight, I'm phone posting in bed and I was drunk. I wasn't sheeping marvs shit, I was saying, if Marv thought that, it would be reasonable for others to also think this, but yeah just misread it. Lol. On June 09 2023 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote:
#186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)
But you actually answered slam in #187.
So why did you answer that before?
I do believe #186 goes before #187. I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam. On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.- These two posts are absolutely not aligned, first is 'look i am participating I get whats happening' second is "yeah so confusing." Actually LS is sheeping rayn hard On June 09 2023 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
that being said the thing between DP and Cake is so convoluted i can't comprehend even when reading their filters... Make it easier to understand if you think one is mafia pls. Then On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.- Like rayn is clearly trying to get somewhere in the mess, LS is just trying to be part of it without actually adding things? On June 09 2023 22:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote:
#186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)
But you actually answered slam in #187.
So why did you answer that before?
I do believe #186 goes before #187. I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam. I think it is some other questions DP is saying Cake is asking whihc he had answered already. That has to be the only explanation otherwise this just shitting up the thread for very little reason. Again this is making my head spin -.- More rayn sheep. Pretty gross. This post by Vivax is WILD!On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Had a nice nap after almost being choked to death in my sleep tonight.
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.
I‘d also add that the way rayn followed into DPs footsteps in regards to Cake felt forced and hedgy.
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.
With that in mind and them not giving off the same energy as last game where at least rayn seemed like an easy townlean, Cake gets my axe for wagonomical reasons til I get to decide if rayn isn‘t a better lynch for the way he got smacked into submission by DP.
##Vote DarthPunk
Something about Ttts entrance also rubbed me the wrong way as it felt like they were evaluating the dp-cop interaction from the sidelines as an opener that suggested they wanted to play it safe. On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. This partis just straight up untrue. I never town read LS on face value, I call that post out for feeling crafted, and guess what, Copypasta. It was. On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake. What questions? the one I did at the start of the game to get shit going? no idea what this means TBH On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on. I never mentioned her lunch. the thing we both saw was a narrative of suspicions cast at me which relied on a super early town read of rayn that didn;t make sense based on the stated meta of her scum reading rayn. And then she refused to elaborate on this town read. Yeah shit post Vivax TBH. + Show Spoiler +On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? Now LS sheeps vivax's take of the cupcake /Dp battle feeling forced. But its cast as his own idea? He knows someone else feels that way, vivax just posted that exact sentiment. Bad, bad, bad. On June 10 2023 04:17 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 04:12 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 03:15 Hapahauli wrote:On June 10 2023 03:09 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 02:36 Hapahauli wrote:On June 10 2023 02:35 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 02:19 Hapahauli wrote:On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance? I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam. I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it. Weak tbh, I had the same urge with you and there‘s a bunch of info around already. You used to be more opinionated. Once upon a time I had a full head of hair and now it is gone. Relatable. Mine goes grey instead. Re: opinions, there are a lot of games that I’ll have strong opinions, but this thread is difficult for me. There is “information” but a lot of it to me is bad. It’s basically DP shitting up the thread by forcing a case on CopCake, because he can’t help himself. But that doesn’t give me a lot to go on. Frankly, I’m more skeptical/suspicious of players that have developed strong opinions more than anything else. MZ’s post looks quite bad to me in that respect. I’d think yours is bad too, but I also think you’re of the same mentality as DP. Regarding the bolded do you think this is alignment indicative for Darth? I don’t think forcing a case is alignment indicative in an early game context. Stuff like him refusing to read Chez’s wall of text and then reading said wall anyway tells me he was just bored early game and doing random shit. Wrong, its actually pro town (not that the case on CC is particularly forced IMO) I feel fairly comfortable taking heat from people and provoking activity at the cost of some mild defending. I definitely have been the driver of a lot of activity and forcing people to take positions early in day one which is certainly pro town. You're right in regard to me though, I could probably still do this as mafia. On June 10 2023 05:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 14:23 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:21 Alakaslam wrote:On June 09 2023 14:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Why do you have a strong opinion of LS alignment slam? Statistics, and difference of opener. Why you got all questions and no reads, m8? I asked all the questions last game iirc it ain't so townie You don't think I have talked about peoples alignment? Even though you quoted my post stating lynching LS at the time was a good call? Don't you think that qualifies as a read at this point in the game? His opener doesn't seem that different to me. Still seems anxious and crafted. Yes it is anxious and crafted. It‘s not from this world or era. It‘s pasta, copy..pasta. Do you think that‘s not revenant, DP ? Do you really think that ? Yep, that is why I scum read him for it immediately. lol. On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.
that's my best read atm Bad. On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.
that's my best read atm Initially I thought hapa didn't do enough to establish himself as town when he entered the game, particularly if he prides himself as being easy to read (and from memory this was very true when he was town 7 years ago) But the second read through he seems better to me, just feels very relaxed. On June 10 2023 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 05:41 CopCake wrote:
Explain me the chezinu thing
Is it only because he voted vivax? Chezinu is a good hunter of power roles as mafia, and has a "blue/red sickness" as town, which means people tend to play more cautiously when they are a power role rather than vanilla, and Chezinu recognizes that (and thinks it's mafia because mafia also plays more carefully). Vivax is not blue, never fucking ever in this game, so Chezinu has to be mafia because he i voting for Vivax and Vivax doesn't even look scummy at all. The problem with this is that I don't think he read his role PM. On June 10 2023 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think lynching LS is the way here though
Agree at this point in my read through. On June 10 2023 06:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Ok if I have to choose out of Darth and CopCake who is mafia more likely Darth? CopCake didn't lie about her stuff towards him and Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason? Bad. On June 10 2023 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you have to choose? Exactly. On June 10 2023 06:14 LightningStrike wrote:1 of them is mafia the other is town. It felt to forced from one side (IE how I caught a mafia player in the past and was correct on who). This is usually what happens when 1 person is town the other is mafia. Where the fuck did this come from? On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote:
I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim.
And y‘all thought you were good. Is this only for activity levels? YOu also thought he was town last game FWIW. And were very wrong. On June 10 2023 06:22 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh.. does anyone else think LS is mafia? Darth does but he's not here. And it's only gotten worse as I read through I am afraid. On June 10 2023 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote:
I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim.
And y‘all thought you were good. i am going to agree, even if i dont want to. WTF?! Why the backflip. On June 10 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier: On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? From both of them? No. It felt like it from one side at least but I having a hard time figuring out who and why. Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:05 CopCake wrote:On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier: On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? Do you think it was w vs w or a town vs wolf? If the last, who was the most town? closer to Mafia vs Town type of deal (Or Wolf vs Town since you know Werewolf better i think?) In that case I have no idea at the moment to be honest. Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2023 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier: On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? From both of them? No. It felt like it from one side at least but I having a hard time figuring out who and why. .................... the what? At least how I read that entire conversation between the two of them it felt forced from one side IE one of them is mafia type of deal with how that entire sequence felt. I dont think iam gonna get around of this any more. "I think one is scum but i cant specify which just one is or for what reasons!!" ##unvote Chezinu
##vote LightningStrikesorry vivax i think this is it. Nevermind. On June 10 2023 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm idk i think i let Hapa off too easy, it as kinda bad after all what he posted.. Bad does not equal scum. Otherwise Vivax is 1000% mafia in this spot. On June 10 2023 09:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
I finished work right now... and wow much to read. I was just fast reading and have to read it again more accurately after some sleep, but what I got so far is
Vivax is posting a lot of bullshit nonsense
MZ writes bad as last game
LS seems suspect for me
Rayn seems always suspect for me so I can't make a opinion on him.
TTT Strong Townread
Marv is okey for now
Chez is Chez. I still think he is not human. His account is a first AI try for scum maybe.
And I have to Filter everyone I didn't mention here.
I like DMB this game, not that I agree with all her reads, just reminds me of the end of last game a bit, like she is reading and comprehending what is actually happening. Not pretending to. Thats like 75th percentile play at this juncture. On June 10 2023 12:26 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
welp, posted without really previewing but LS never came back to that question about Chez which just reinforces my impression that he was casting random suspicions rather than scum hunting. I was scum hunting by asking questions about people trying to come up with my own conclusions? I did come up with my own conclusions and was some of posting them. Actually you were sheeping strong players. HARD. This is just so not true. On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. This is the big reason to scum read cop cake, she was paranoid as fuck in the obs thread, and it makes no sense for her to say, I was wrong last game and now I think you are town. I also think the way I enter games tends to draw out interest from scum trying to start a wagon on me, it's a great way of getting reads IMO. Then how should I read this ? Didn't her lunch make you go Oooff when rayn pointed it out? Do you skip lunches, Darth Punk ? Do you discriminate against Mexican cuisine is that what you want to say? If you are town I better see you gulp down two sushi burritos in a row or else.
The oof was the fact that she was asking for information which was answered in the post quoted.
Which meant a lot more to me in that moment than subsequently because I was not considering the slam thing.
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On June 10 2023 22:53 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 16:39 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️ Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no? I literally went to have lunch I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted. Oooff this is good actually. Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? The only thing not in good faith is that last post, it's neither mad nor are the questions particularly alignment indicative. And you didn't even ask what she had for lunch. If I told you I buried a hatchet under my sunchair, would you not want to know what it looked like?
How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly.
Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place.
That is
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On June 10 2023 22:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 16:31 marvellosity wrote:
Morning all.
How has the meta evolved these days?
rayn, you seem a bit angrier than last game, what gives? Vibe check for the bolded: + Show Spoiler +Could be scum indicative. Feels like lynching into certain players feels like a dick move with the rl circumstances surrounding some. I'd even treat me to a slice of MB today as she seems to avoid antagonizing me like last game which is red flaggish as I don't mind a bit of playful nuisance. At great personal danger to myself of course but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. + Show Spoiler +
Marv literally asked about meta or something similar in his entrance post from last game, he was town, and I am pretty sure the fact he is doing it again is a big FU to ppl who hated him for it last game also.
SO
NAI.
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On June 10 2023 02:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I was really not expecting to wake up to ~20 pages, what is this 2013?
I have work today so I'll mostly be phone posting but definitely scumreading LS right now (again) and I think DarthPunk came off looking worse in the exchange with CopCake that I just read.
I'm townreading chezinu on a complete shot in the dark that his chatgpt nonsense is a protest against not being able to use his seal.
After attempting to gut read slam last game and being wrong I'm back to forever null on him
TTT probably my strongest town read
DMB has a lot more confidence this game, don't think that's alignment indicative yet but I'll be interested to see how things progress.
Aight I'll be in and out today, I'll have some free time tonight.
MZ, what does it mean for your reads if LS also thinks that I came off looking scummy in interactions with Copcake?
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On June 10 2023 23:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 22:59 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 22:53 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2023 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 16:39 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:
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The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️ Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no? I literally went to have lunch I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted. Oooff this is good actually. On June 09 2023 16:48 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm mad I didn't spot that. On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:
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On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? The only thing not in good faith is that last post, it's neither mad nor are the questions particularly alignment indicative. And you didn't even ask what she had for lunch. If I told you I buried a hatchet under my sunchair, would you not want to know what it looked like? How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly. Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place. That is In hindsight it was about me pointing out how recycling posts is so blatantly careless that mafia would be less likely to do it. The post probably makes more sense if you read it from a mindset where I was half baked at the phone, noticing your disregard for the two crucial pieces of information that LS' was a recycled post and that cake had cake for lunch. And also that I couldn't follow the argument you were making about cop being mafia and a read of her filter did nothing to change my mind about it.
Well presumably you are now enlightened, does that change anything for you.
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So I read MZ's filter, there is nothing there that suggests he is maf to me, In fact, I am somewhat more convinced that LS is maf based on reading his posts.
So I would like answers from people who are scum reading MZ, why, specifically is that the case?
I am internally flip flopping on LS. His posting this game does look bad and scummy, but it also is certifiably improved from the previous game.
So I guess with LS I am trying to decide if he is improving their scum play.
Or
They are town and just look bad because of the way they play the game.
i'm not very confident either way right now, so I guess I would like some clarity from people who have played with LS.
Does he always look so bad?
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Does anyone know Vayoletta? is that the replacement who really wanted to play last game?
Cause this:
On June 07 2023 14:20 Vayoletta wrote:
I’m like totally /in
Does not match with the rest of their filter.
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On June 10 2023 23:17 Hapahauli wrote:
I’m mega - waffling on MZ after reading the last game. His posting this game is so structurally similar that I’m thinking I’m picking on a dislike of his style more than anything else.
I think you are correct. I have a real issue with your MZ read right now TBH.
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On June 10 2023 23:17 Hapahauli wrote:
DP we’re not making pre-game cases plz.
It's not a case, but if it was, it would be about her lack of play this game.
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On June 10 2023 23:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:10 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:08 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 22:59 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 22:53 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2023 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 16:39 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:
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But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no? I literally went to have lunch I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted. Oooff this is good actually. On June 09 2023 16:48 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm mad I didn't spot that. On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
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I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? The only thing not in good faith is that last post, it's neither mad nor are the questions particularly alignment indicative. And you didn't even ask what she had for lunch. If I told you I buried a hatchet under my sunchair, would you not want to know what it looked like? How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly. Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place. That is In hindsight it was about me pointing out how recycling posts is so blatantly careless that mafia would be less likely to do it. The post probably makes more sense if you read it from a mindset where I was half baked at the phone, noticing your disregard for the two crucial pieces of information that LS' was a recycled post and that cake had cake for lunch. And also that I couldn't follow the argument you were making about cop being mafia and a read of her filter did nothing to change my mind about it. Well presumably you are now enlightened, does that change anything for you. I barely manage to keep electricity going, imagine being enlightened. Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem with Cake is that every time i am town and she is following the game she thinks i am mafia, i have a hard time imagining she genuinely has a town read on me right now. This is probs the point I could see as the most valid as rayn's the one who should have the best grasp on her alignment, but I have no guarantee that rayn isn't mafia and took an easy route when you offered it to him and (in my opinion) coerced him into going after Cake.
That is a very valid point.
Also, I don't coerce Rayn to do shit. Rayn does his own thing and chooses what he does and doesn't place value in.
So, all this being the case, who do you want to lynch right now?
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On June 10 2023 23:19 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:15 TankTopTiger wrote:
LS
The main one was when you asked everyone if anyone else thought DP vs CC was forced, when someone else had already stated this. The rest is the gist I get, but nothing comes to mind.
I guess the important thing is that your questions need to have some reason for existing or they sound empty. The reason I was asking that question was primarily to see if anyone else thought the same way I did and try to engage with others about what I thought but no one else really said anything outside of Rayn, and CopCake. Vivax didn't ask about it but granted he did say that entire thing between them rubbed the wrong way which doesn't = forced at least from my understanding.
LS why am I mafia?
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On June 10 2023 23:22 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:18 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 23:10 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:08 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 22:59 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 22:53 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2023 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 16:39 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no? I literally went to have lunch I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted. Oooff this is good actually. On June 09 2023 16:48 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm mad I didn't spot that. On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:
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But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? The only thing not in good faith is that last post, it's neither mad nor are the questions particularly alignment indicative. And you didn't even ask what she had for lunch. If I told you I buried a hatchet under my sunchair, would you not want to know what it looked like? How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly. Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place. That is In hindsight it was about me pointing out how recycling posts is so blatantly careless that mafia would be less likely to do it. The post probably makes more sense if you read it from a mindset where I was half baked at the phone, noticing your disregard for the two crucial pieces of information that LS' was a recycled post and that cake had cake for lunch. And also that I couldn't follow the argument you were making about cop being mafia and a read of her filter did nothing to change my mind about it. Well presumably you are now enlightened, does that change anything for you. I barely manage to keep electricity going, imagine being enlightened. On June 09 2023 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem with Cake is that every time i am town and she is following the game she thinks i am mafia, i have a hard time imagining she genuinely has a town read on me right now. This is probs the point I could see as the most valid as rayn's the one who should have the best grasp on her alignment, but I have no guarantee that rayn isn't mafia and took an easy route when you offered it to him and (in my opinion) coerced him into going after Cake. That is a very valid point. Also, I don't coerce Rayn to do shit. Rayn does his own thing and chooses what he does and doesn't place value in. So, all this being the case, who do you want to lynch right now?
For clarity: the valid part is the part where Copcake should not have a strong Rayn town read at the point she does. (although doesn't state that until she is pushed repaeatedly.) Not the rayn mafia tinfoil part.
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