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On June 09 2023 22:32 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 22:30 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? Copcake is altering the narrative the slam question was asked and answered when I stated she was operating in bad faith. It was about why I asked Rayn which was stated in the thread in the beginning the slam shit was never involved in this discussion. She just found the one question I didn’t answer immediately and used it out of context Literally, question was asked in #179 I think and you answered in #187...
Read the bolder which I was responding to.
It’s in the post you are quoting.
That’s what I was saying was already answered in the thread.
After slam shit was done with.
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On June 09 2023 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,
DP lets get this straight; Which are the questions she asked that were already answered in the thread, that make you think she is mafia?
Can you read the bolder in the post I just quoted.
I’m phone posting in bed buts it’s fucking right there.
The bit about why Rayn.
It’s all contextualised in quotes.
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On June 09 2023 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 22:32 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 22:28 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:16 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:14 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 21:35 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:29 CopCake wrote:
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Why was he mafia?
I think he is town Why do you think he is town Because he refused to answer you and questioned you why are you asking, I also think he is treating the "DP vs CC" really neutral Almost 40 min ago you really think that makes me town? What would i do if i was mafia? Trying to get me emotional and angry have i done that before or where do you get that idea? Yes, you have. He did get emotional and angry, Marv even pointed this out in the thread so how does this make any sense. getting emotional and angry is different than getting someone else emotional and angry. and i didn't even get e/a. Now i am starting to for this shit.
Ok it seemed like that to Marv, why would it not seem like that to cop cake?
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On June 09 2023 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 22:32 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 22:28 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:16 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:14 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 21:35 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:29 CopCake wrote:
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Why was he mafia?
I think he is town Why do you think he is town Because he refused to answer you and questioned you why are you asking, I also think he is treating the "DP vs CC" really neutral Almost 40 min ago you really think that makes me town? What would i do if i was mafia? Trying to get me emotional and angry have i done that before or where do you get that idea? Yes, you have. He did get emotional and angry, Marv even pointed this out in the thread so how does this make any sense. getting emotional and angry is different than getting someone else emotional and angry. and i didn't even get e/a. Now i am starting to for this shit.
Oh ok I misread never mind
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On June 09 2023 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:
all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,
still looking for the questions. deliver or vote
I’ll post when I am up it’s past midnight and I suck at phone posting apparently
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On June 10 2023 08:55 TankTopTiger wrote:
@DP
Did you decide to approach this game differently and if so how?
Extremely time limited and not driven by anxiety as discussed last game.
I’ll have time to post tonight
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On June 10 2023 14:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
@Vivax
Assume (as I do) that DP is not getting lynched today. Who is your next lynch and why?
@LS
How did you learn to play mafia? Who from?
Why is vivax scum reading me for a town read on ls I never had and hasn’t retracted even when Le corrected him.
That’s what I want to know
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On June 10 2023 14:24 TankTopTiger wrote:
@Marv
When can we expect you to join the game?
Marv said he would be away for first three days before the game started
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Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons:
1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused
2.) lack of comprehension on her part
3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith.
I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all.
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread.
Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question.
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this??
Why?
Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question.
On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk nothing really looks suspicious so far. You have to answer though. That's kind of the point. What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't? You know you did this to me last game right :D
On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk nothing really looks suspicious so far. You have to answer though. That's kind of the point. What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't? You know you did this to me last game right :D yeah, so? So you know what the point is. I really don't, unless you think i should have a scumread at this point even possibly. So do you? If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game?
This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post.
On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:
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On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? - someone else - Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me. Is this hard to understand? You do t understand clearly. I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol. But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info. I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not. Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D
Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.
Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread,
On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:44 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:30 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
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But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? - someone else - Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me. Is this hard to understand? You do t understand clearly. I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol. But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info. So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps? Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions. tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread. Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she won't explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense. The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists. Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,Those two factors are enough at this juncture. ##Vote: Copcake This is like an absolute lie No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith. In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie
Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged.
The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter?
If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity.
Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake.
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Catch up post:
(I have been following the thread on my phone but I am using the 2 hours free time I have now to post in more detail.)
On June 09 2023 21:48 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway like I said before the role PMS were posted going to be posting less this game, look forward to some clarity on that super early rayn town read by copcake that forms the lynchpin of basically every post she has made subsequently.
Goodnight. Dude, do you even know how much I post per game? This is nothing lol
On June 09 2023 21:49 CopCake wrote:
Tell me darth, how much do I post per game to know what is too little or too much? :D
These posts make me think the cop cake stuff could just be a comprehension issue. I was clearly talking about myself posting less.
It does make me concerned that someone is calling someone out without reading/understanding? their filter cause I had talked about this on the front page as well.
On June 09 2023 21:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 21:49 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hey DP can we get clarification on your use of the term "good faith" so we're all on the same page because I've seen it used multiple ways and seen a lot of people get confused by its different uses.
Do you just mean honest?
@copcake
Re: a lie
This is verifiable. Which questions do you not think were answered in the thread? I fucking like this guy! Ya this cements how I was reading him to be honest.
This post is scummy to me, but I think LS has posted so much more this game than last, MZ states later that this could be a reaction to his failings as scum in the prior game, and that could be true, but do people adjust so fast? can LS adjust that fast? I'm not sure, following the thread I feel better about LS than last game at this point I guess?
I think he might just post in a way that is traditionally scummy. the real thing to look for is engagement levels, and they seem to be higher, but I also don't see him analysing things or scum hunting. Is LS able to do those things as town?
On June 09 2023 21:51 TankTopTiger wrote:
FWIW I don't care at all for any argument based on post-count, I'd ignore if for now if DP doesn't expand upon it.
Find it weird that TTT did not read the post properly either.
On June 09 2023 21:51 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:30 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
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I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? - someone else - Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me. Is this hard to understand? You do t understand clearly. I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol. But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info. So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps? Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions. So my only assumption is that either: 1.) you have not read or understood the thread or 2.) You have read and understood and are not operating in good faith And BTW it has been hours and you have repeatedly ignored the question I have asked about why you think Rayn was town so early in the game, particularly when rayn said in the OBS thread from last game you always think he is scummy. No by the time, you didn't answer my slam question which I needed, so you are just fabricating a scenario here. I invite EVERYONE to read my filter.
Yep, either willful ignorance or straight up ignorant (see my big post on the matter)
On June 09 2023 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 22:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:32 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 22:28 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:16 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:14 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 21:35 CopCake wrote:
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Because he refused to answer you and questioned you why are you asking, I also think he is treating the "DP vs CC" really neutral Almost 40 min ago you really think that makes me town? What would i do if i was mafia? Trying to get me emotional and angry have i done that before or where do you get that idea? Yes, you have. He did get emotional and angry, Marv even pointed this out in the thread so how does this make any sense. getting emotional and angry is different than getting someone else emotional and angry. and i didn't even get e/a. Now i am starting to for this shit. Oh ok I misread never mind wtf? how can you misread "getting someone angry" into "getting angry"? Do you think i was getting angry or are you just sheeping marv's shit?
How you ask? Its midnight, I'm phone posting in bed and I was drunk.
I wasn't sheeping marvs shit, I was saying, if Marv thought that, it would be reasonable for others to also think this, but yeah just misread it. Lol.
On June 09 2023 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote:
#186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)
But you actually answered slam in #187.
So why did you answer that before?
I do believe #186 goes before #187. I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam.
On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.-
These two posts are absolutely not aligned, first is 'look i am participating I get whats happening' second is "yeah so confusing."
Actually LS is sheeping rayn hard
On June 09 2023 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
that being said the thing between DP and Cake is so convoluted i can't comprehend even when reading their filters... Make it easier to understand if you think one is mafia pls.
Then
On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.-
Like rayn is clearly trying to get somewhere in the mess, LS is just trying to be part of it without actually adding things?
On June 09 2023 22:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote:
#186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)
But you actually answered slam in #187.
So why did you answer that before?
I do believe #186 goes before #187. I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam. I think it is some other questions DP is saying Cake is asking whihc he had answered already. That has to be the only explanation otherwise this just shitting up the thread for very little reason. Again this is making my head spin -.-
More rayn sheep. Pretty gross.
This post by Vivax is WILD!
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Had a nice nap after almost being choked to death in my sleep tonight.
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.
I‘d also add that the way rayn followed into DPs footsteps in regards to Cake felt forced and hedgy.
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.
With that in mind and them not giving off the same energy as last game where at least rayn seemed like an easy townlean, Cake gets my axe for wagonomical reasons til I get to decide if rayn isn‘t a better lynch for the way he got smacked into submission by DP.
##Vote DarthPunk
Something about Ttts entrance also rubbed me the wrong way as it felt like they were evaluating the dp-cop interaction from the sidelines as an opener that suggested they wanted to play it safe.
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it.
This partis just straight up untrue. I never town read LS on face value, I call that post out for feeling crafted, and guess what, Copypasta. It was.
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.
What questions? the one I did at the start of the game to get shit going? no idea what this means TBH
On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.
I never mentioned her lunch. the thing we both saw was a narrative of suspicions cast at me which relied on a super early town read of rayn that didn;t make sense based on the stated meta of her scum reading rayn.
And then she refused to elaborate on this town read.
Yeah shit post Vivax TBH.
On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?
Now LS sheeps vivax's take of the cupcake /Dp battle feeling forced. But its cast as his own idea?
He knows someone else feels that way, vivax just posted that exact sentiment.
Bad, bad, bad.
On June 10 2023 04:17 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 04:12 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 03:15 Hapahauli wrote:On June 10 2023 03:09 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 02:36 Hapahauli wrote:On June 10 2023 02:35 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 02:19 Hapahauli wrote:On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance? I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam. I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it. Weak tbh, I had the same urge with you and there‘s a bunch of info around already. You used to be more opinionated. Once upon a time I had a full head of hair and now it is gone. Relatable. Mine goes grey instead. Re: opinions, there are a lot of games that I’ll have strong opinions, but this thread is difficult for me. There is “information” but a lot of it to me is bad. It’s basically DP shitting up the thread by forcing a case on CopCake, because he can’t help himself. But that doesn’t give me a lot to go on. Frankly, I’m more skeptical/suspicious of players that have developed strong opinions more than anything else. MZ’s post looks quite bad to me in that respect. I’d think yours is bad too, but I also think you’re of the same mentality as DP. Regarding the bolded do you think this is alignment indicative for Darth? I don’t think forcing a case is alignment indicative in an early game context. Stuff like him refusing to read Chez’s wall of text and then reading said wall anyway tells me he was just bored early game and doing random shit.
Wrong, its actually pro town (not that the case on CC is particularly forced IMO) I feel fairly comfortable taking heat from people and provoking activity at the cost of some mild defending.
I definitely have been the driver of a lot of activity and forcing people to take positions early in day one which is certainly pro town.
You're right in regard to me though, I could probably still do this as mafia.
On June 10 2023 05:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 14:23 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:21 Alakaslam wrote:On June 09 2023 14:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Why do you have a strong opinion of LS alignment slam? Statistics, and difference of opener. Why you got all questions and no reads, m8? I asked all the questions last game iirc it ain't so townie You don't think I have talked about peoples alignment? Even though you quoted my post stating lynching LS at the time was a good call? Don't you think that qualifies as a read at this point in the game? His opener doesn't seem that different to me. Still seems anxious and crafted. Yes it is anxious and crafted. It‘s not from this world or era. It‘s pasta, copy..pasta. Do you think that‘s not revenant, DP ? Do you really think that ?
Yep, that is why I scum read him for it immediately. lol.
On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.
that's my best read atm
Bad.
On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.
that's my best read atm
Initially I thought hapa didn't do enough to establish himself as town when he entered the game, particularly if he prides himself as being easy to read (and from memory this was very true when he was town 7 years ago)
But the second read through he seems better to me, just feels very relaxed.
On June 10 2023 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 05:41 CopCake wrote:
Explain me the chezinu thing
Is it only because he voted vivax? Chezinu is a good hunter of power roles as mafia, and has a "blue/red sickness" as town, which means people tend to play more cautiously when they are a power role rather than vanilla, and Chezinu recognizes that (and thinks it's mafia because mafia also plays more carefully). Vivax is not blue, never fucking ever in this game, so Chezinu has to be mafia because he i voting for Vivax and Vivax doesn't even look scummy at all.
The problem with this is that I don't think he read his role PM.
On June 10 2023 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think lynching LS is the way here though
Agree at this point in my read through.
On June 10 2023 06:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Ok if I have to choose out of Darth and CopCake who is mafia more likely Darth? CopCake didn't lie about her stuff towards him and Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason?
Bad.
On June 10 2023 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you have to choose?
Exactly.
On June 10 2023 06:14 LightningStrike wrote:1 of them is mafia the other is town. It felt to forced from one side (IE how I caught a mafia player in the past and was correct on who). This is usually what happens when 1 person is town the other is mafia.
Where the fuck did this come from?
On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote:
I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim.
And y‘all thought you were good.
Is this only for activity levels? YOu also thought he was town last game FWIW.
And were very wrong.
On June 10 2023 06:22 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh.. does anyone else think LS is mafia? Darth does but he's not here.
And it's only gotten worse as I read through I am afraid.
On June 10 2023 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote:
I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim.
And y‘all thought you were good. i am going to agree, even if i dont want to.
WTF?! Why the backflip.
On June 10 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier: On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? From both of them? No. It felt like it from one side at least but I having a hard time figuring out who and why. Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:05 CopCake wrote:On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier: On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? Do you think it was w vs w or a town vs wolf? If the last, who was the most town? closer to Mafia vs Town type of deal (Or Wolf vs Town since you know Werewolf better i think?) In that case I have no idea at the moment to be honest. Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2023 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier: On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? From both of them? No. It felt like it from one side at least but I having a hard time figuring out who and why. .................... the what? At least how I read that entire conversation between the two of them it felt forced from one side IE one of them is mafia type of deal with how that entire sequence felt. I dont think iam gonna get around of this any more. "I think one is scum but i cant specify which just one is or for what reasons!!" ##unvote Chezinu
##vote LightningStrikesorry vivax i think this is it.
Nevermind.
On June 10 2023 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm idk i think i let Hapa off too easy, it as kinda bad after all what he posted..
Bad does not equal scum. Otherwise Vivax is 1000% mafia in this spot.
On June 10 2023 09:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
I finished work right now... and wow much to read. I was just fast reading and have to read it again more accurately after some sleep, but what I got so far is
Vivax is posting a lot of bullshit nonsense
MZ writes bad as last game
LS seems suspect for me
Rayn seems always suspect for me so I can't make a opinion on him.
TTT Strong Townread
Marv is okey for now
Chez is Chez. I still think he is not human. His account is a first AI try for scum maybe.
And I have to Filter everyone I didn't mention here.
I like DMB this game, not that I agree with all her reads, just reminds me of the end of last game a bit, like she is reading and comprehending what is actually happening. Not pretending to. Thats like 75th percentile play at this juncture.
On June 10 2023 12:26 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
welp, posted without really previewing but LS never came back to that question about Chez which just reinforces my impression that he was casting random suspicions rather than scum hunting. I was scum hunting by asking questions about people trying to come up with my own conclusions? I did come up with my own conclusions and was some of posting them.
Actually you were sheeping strong players. HARD.
This is just so not true.
On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in.
This is the big reason to scum read cop cake, she was paranoid as fuck in the obs thread, and it makes no sense for her to say, I was wrong last game and now I think you are town.
I also think the way I enter games tends to draw out interest from scum trying to start a wagon on me, it's a great way of getting reads IMO.
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I think Vivax, CC, and LS look bad at this point.
I think DMB, TTT, Rayn look good.
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IM down to lynch LS or CC.
Vivax will sort himself out over time I imagine.
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The thing with copcake is that her level of aggression and tunneling towards me only makes sense if there is a really strong town read on Rayn as a basis for it.
And that just doesn't make any sense at all at the point of the game she ostensibly had it. Even if there was a small town read on rayn, her read progression and level of aggression still doesn't make sense, nor feel natural.
I can't get over this point, and I wonder how others can?
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On June 10 2023 17:20 DarthPunk wrote:
The thing with copcake is that her level of aggression and tunneling towards me only makes sense if there is a really strong town read on Rayn as a basis for it.
And that just doesn't make any sense at all at the point of the game she ostensibly had it. Even if there was a small town read on rayn, her read progression and level of aggression still doesn't make sense, nor feel natural.
I can't get over this point, and I wonder how others can?
And then it was really hard to get her to answer: what alignment she thought rayn was, and why she thought rayn was town.
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If there is a strong town read there, shouldn't that be a part of the case? or at least easy to answer.
None of this really sits well with me.
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On June 10 2023 17:22 marvellosity wrote:
Just worth noting LS’ filter is already as long as the previous game. Reading rayn’s suspicions towards him. Don’t fancy that at all
Easiest way to adjust is to sheep other players, have to look deeper than this IMO, especially when your scum play gets rolled the last time.
But yes, this is the only point in his favor right now.
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On June 10 2023 17:30 TankTopTiger wrote:
It's the only point in his favour, but IMO it's a big point.
Last game, he posted little and managed to throw his position hard, not just look scummy as predicted by his meta. This game he's posting a lot, so I think we get to be confident in catching him if he stays around.
But LS, this is conditional on you continuing to post a lot, and you need to post your reads that come from you. You keep regurgitating what other people say, or asking questions that are already answered. I need to see you looking.
The other difference was last game his activity increased dramatically with the levels of suspicion levelled against him, which came later. This game it started right away so he feels in the hot seat and can’t coast.
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On June 10 2023 17:30 TankTopTiger wrote:
It's the only point in his favour, but IMO it's a big point.
Last game, he posted little and managed to throw his position hard, not just look scummy as predicted by his meta. This game he's posting a lot, so I think we get to be confident in catching him if he stays around.
But LS, this is conditional on you continuing to post a lot, and you need to post your reads that come from you. You keep regurgitating what other people say, or asking questions that are already answered. I need to see you looking.
What you think of that vivax post? Just completely not reading the thread?
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On June 10 2023 17:42 marvellosity wrote:
I’m most suspicious of MZ and Hapa, which given one of Hapa’s only posts was to highlight suspicion on MZ, feels a bit weird. rayn, I don’t characterise MZ as having similar reads to you as a good reason to like him. I’m very wary of feeling too strong about it given last time though.
Hapa tonally looked okay but I expected a bit more drive from him.
Copcake I thought fought her corner pretty consistently even though I wasn’t entirely sure what was going on. It’s not the same but reminded me how DMB was just always there d1 even when under heavy suspicion, last game.
Bunch of other mild (and even a strong or two) townreads but not worth talking about these now, especially as I’m unlikely to be able to respond as I’d like
This is a good read imo.
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On June 10 2023 17:50 TankTopTiger wrote:This one? Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Had a nice nap after almost being choked to death in my sleep tonight.
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.
I‘d also add that the way rayn followed into DPs footsteps in regards to Cake felt forced and hedgy.
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.
With that in mind and them not giving off the same energy as last game where at least rayn seemed like an easy townlean, Cake gets my axe for wagonomical reasons til I get to decide if rayn isn‘t a better lynch for the way he got smacked into submission by DP.
##Vote DarthPunk
Something about Ttts entrance also rubbed me the wrong way as it felt like they were evaluating the dp-cop interaction from the sidelines as an opener that suggested they wanted to play it safe. His reading comprehension is very poor, but that's the case for everyone thus far I think (you and myself included DP). I find it odd how he went straight to the lynch off something he hadn't even read properly. Like... I respect going after bigger players, but he just attacked the two strongest players D1 and that's just never going to happen. Last game, I started my campaign on D2 on Marv, got substantial traction D3, and managed to finally mislynch him D4 with DP's help. This is sort of the "best case" scenario for lynching a stronger player. Having that strong a conviction D1, doesn't feel right, but I don't know Vivax. To me it feels like a parking play where he doesn't really have to engage at all after making the "case".
If the bolded is true what do you think that means about his alignment?
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