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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 12:03 GMT
#661
Fair enough. I’ll have to read the previous game since it’s been brought up so much.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
June 10 2023 12:15 GMT
#662
On June 10 2023 14:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
@Vivax
Assume (as I do) that DP is not getting lynched today. Who is your next lynch and why?

@LS
How did you learn to play mafia? Who from?


I first played mafia in person in junior high. Years later in high school, I played my first mafia game on a forum back in 2008 after watching my brother play the first TL Mafia game. I lurked TeamLiquid's general forum for years where I occasionally looked at a blog. I never made an account until TL Mafia. It gave me a reason to want to post.

If you are curious about my pre-troll meta, here is my filter:

Chezinu's Filter

Back then, games had clues. People still feared bans back then as well. People use to fear the mods back then.

Also, filters weren't around back then. The TL forum didn't exist. Voting threads were in a different blog post. Still today, some voting threads can be found in the blogs (each day had a different blog post). Threads that were never transferred.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
June 10 2023 12:21 GMT
#663
TL Mafia forum*
lol, clueless in The Prism!
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
June 10 2023 12:23 GMT
#664
CC is Town for me at the moment:
CC is Rayn's fiancée. She is pretty sure that Rayn is Town. You find it suspicious that she sees him as Town when she usually sees him directly as Mafia. To me it looks more like she's just Town. When you are with someone you are sure what they are hiding or not hiding. I totally understand her reaction to your suspicion that she is red. Actually, it's just the emotional bond she has with Rayn. Strong Townread or Strong Mafiaread is just normal reaction of Love. Eyerthing inbetween would be a red flag for her. I feel the same way about Vivax. Either I see directly that he is green or red. In the first game I didn't think that it could be blue.
DP looks bad for me
There is no specific post that makes him red for me, its just the way he writes. Feels different to the last game.
Vivax
I don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me.
Chez
Chez is posting is always hard to understand for me. I don´t know why but always messge hidden in message or he posting english proverbs, that I as a non englisch person don´t know or understand and have to google it. This game he is makeing different trolls. different writing. Feels supect but still its chez ane he is hard do read so grey flag
MZ
It feels like you are here all the time reading along but staying silent. You have made 10 posts and we already have over 30 pages in the thread.
As a mafia I would also stay quiet and restrained.
LS
On June 09 2023 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya my posting is considered scummy as fuck
#hatersgonnahate

It´s not hate it is what it is.
On June 09 2023 11:31 LightningStrike wrote:
For real though Darth I really hope we actually are the same alignment because we always been opposite alignments in the games we played together.

Yeah together in the red team
On June 09 2023 21:54 LightningStrike wrote:
Darth you should go to sleep like you keep on saying

Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious.
Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing.




Everything has an end only the sausage has two
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
June 10 2023 12:26 GMT
#665
On June 09 2023 15:16 Chezinu wrote:
The morning arrived, casting a soft glow upon the world as I stepped outside, my heart pounding with anticipation. Today was the day I would confront my fears head-on, the day I would open the letter waiting patiently in my mailbox and lower the red flag that had taunted me for so long.

Approaching the mailbox, I took a deep breath, mustering every ounce of courage within me. With trembling hands, I unlatched the lid, revealing the solitary envelope resting inside. It was as if the letter held a hidden power, a secret that could change everything.

Gingerly, I withdrew the envelope from its enclosure, feeling the weight of its contents in my grasp. The paper felt delicate, as if it held a multitude of untold stories within its fibers. The Master's rules echoed in my mind once more, reminding me not to reveal anything personal about the sender.

I carefully slit the envelope open, revealing the neatly folded letter contained within. Unfolding it, I held my breath, unsure of what I would find. The words that met my eyes were unexpected, a departure from the sterile nature of my usual deliveries.

"Dear Courier, I know the burden you carry. The fear, the isolation. But remember, there is strength in unity, even in the face of an oppressive regime. Do not let the Master's control extinguish your spirit. Take solace in the small acts of rebellion, for they hold the power to ignite change. Lower the red flag today, reclaim your freedom. Together, we can defy the chains that bind us."

As I read those words, a surge of hope coursed through my veins. It was as if the sender had understood my turmoil, my yearning for connection and liberation. Their message was a call to action, a rallying cry that resonated deep within me.

Determined, I closed the letter and slipped it back into the envelope. The weight of the Master's gaze and the consequences of my actions paled in comparison to the flicker of rebellion that had ignited within me. Today, I would defy the Master's control, even if only in a small, symbolic act.

With renewed purpose, I reached up and gently lowered the red flag, its descent a defiance against the oppressive grip of the Master. The symbolic act sent a surge of exhilaration through me, a sense of liberation that I hadn't felt in so long.

The raised red flag had represented fear and subservience, but now, as it stood lowered, it became a beacon of hope, a symbol of resilience and the possibility of change. I had taken a step towards reclaiming my identity, towards forging a path of my own in the face of an oppressive regime.

As I closed the mailbox, a newfound sense of empowerment filled me. The journey ahead would not be easy, but I had found allies, kindred spirits in the shadows. Together, we would continue to resist, to sow the seeds of rebellion, and to fight for a future where personal connections and individuality were celebrated.

With each step I took on my mail courier route that day, I carried with me the words of the sender. They fueled my determination, reminding me that I was not alone in my struggles. I would continue to deliver the unsealed letters, but now, I would also carry within me the invisible threads that connected us, the whispers of unity and defiance against the Master's oppressive rule.


I opened PM here. Good job Hapa. Also, great job to DarthPunk for understanding how I didn't open my PM in the first part of the story.

I have been quite surprised how well people have been interpreting my stories.

I have ceased the protest against the rules for now. Good job to whoever caught that one.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
June 10 2023 12:27 GMT
#666
On June 10 2023 20:35 DarthPunk wrote:
I’d like meat baby to explain her ninja vote on me also.

I did
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
June 10 2023 12:30 GMT
#667
On June 10 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote:
CC is Town for me at the moment:
CC is Rayn's fiancée. She is pretty sure that Rayn is Town. You find it suspicious that she sees him as Town when she usually sees him directly as Mafia. To me it looks more like she's just Town. When you are with someone you are sure what they are hiding or not hiding. I totally understand her reaction to your suspicion that she is red. Actually, it's just the emotional bond she has with Rayn. Strong Townread or Strong Mafiaread is just normal reaction of Love. Eyerthing inbetween would be a red flag for her. I feel the same way about Vivax. Either I see directly that he is green or red. In the first game I didn't think that it could be blue.
DP looks bad for me
There is no specific post that makes him red for me, its just the way he writes. Feels different to the last game.
Vivax
I don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me.
Chez
Chez is posting is always hard to understand for me. I don´t know why but always messge hidden in message or he posting english proverbs, that I as a non englisch person don´t know or understand and have to google it. This game he is makeing different trolls. different writing. Feels supect but still its chez ane he is hard do read so grey flag
MZ
It feels like you are here all the time reading along but staying silent. You have made 10 posts and we already have over 30 pages in the thread.
As a mafia I would also stay quiet and restrained.
LS
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2023 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya my posting is considered scummy as fuck
#hatersgonnahate

It´s not hate it is what it is.
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2023 11:31 LightningStrike wrote:
For real though Darth I really hope we actually are the same alignment because we always been opposite alignments in the games we played together.

Yeah together in the red team
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On June 09 2023 21:54 LightningStrike wrote:
Darth you should go to sleep like you keep on saying

Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious.
Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing.







Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize my antics were causing such a communication struggle. If you would like, I can give you a temporary window time to communicate with Chezinu at a lower troll volume.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
June 10 2023 12:32 GMT
#668
On June 10 2023 21:30 Chezinu wrote:
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On June 10 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote:
CC is Town for me at the moment:
CC is Rayn's fiancée. She is pretty sure that Rayn is Town. You find it suspicious that she sees him as Town when she usually sees him directly as Mafia. To me it looks more like she's just Town. When you are with someone you are sure what they are hiding or not hiding. I totally understand her reaction to your suspicion that she is red. Actually, it's just the emotional bond she has with Rayn. Strong Townread or Strong Mafiaread is just normal reaction of Love. Eyerthing inbetween would be a red flag for her. I feel the same way about Vivax. Either I see directly that he is green or red. In the first game I didn't think that it could be blue.
DP looks bad for me
There is no specific post that makes him red for me, its just the way he writes. Feels different to the last game.
Vivax
I don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me.
Chez
Chez is posting is always hard to understand for me. I don´t know why but always messge hidden in message or he posting english proverbs, that I as a non englisch person don´t know or understand and have to google it. This game he is makeing different trolls. different writing. Feels supect but still its chez ane he is hard do read so grey flag
MZ
It feels like you are here all the time reading along but staying silent. You have made 10 posts and we already have over 30 pages in the thread.
As a mafia I would also stay quiet and restrained.
LS
On June 09 2023 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya my posting is considered scummy as fuck
#hatersgonnahate

It´s not hate it is what it is.
On June 09 2023 11:31 LightningStrike wrote:
For real though Darth I really hope we actually are the same alignment because we always been opposite alignments in the games we played together.

Yeah together in the red team
On June 09 2023 21:54 LightningStrike wrote:
Darth you should go to sleep like you keep on saying

Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious.
Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing.







Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize my antics were causing such a communication struggle. If you would like, I can give you a temporary window time to communicate with Chezinu at a lower troll volume.

Yes that would even be helpful once
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22133 Posts
June 10 2023 12:34 GMT
#669
Finally it doesn't feel like I have to fit my entire brain into a few pages at a time and the missus got her breakfast too.

On June 09 2023 13:08 die_meatbaby wrote:
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On June 09 2023 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Copcake and mebaby writing at the same time feels suspicious to me.




On June 09 2023 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no only


This was actually a jab from last game.
I don't like the reaction, it feels meek which I'm not used from MB.

On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:
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On June 09 2023 13:22 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no only


Rayn, if you had to lynch someone who has posted so far who would it be?


LS


Good answer.


No. DP didn't even inquire.
At least if he pretended to play seriously, he could have wondered why the followup from MB was the following:

On June 09 2023 13:50 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2023 11:31 LightningStrike wrote:
For real though Darth I really hope we actually are the same alignment because we always been opposite alignments in the games we played together.



Last game DP claimed the lynch on LS. Maybe LS is scared again to get the lynch, because of DP.

What if everybody got the same roles and the host is just messing with us

##vote Grackaroni


Neither did he demand an explanation nor did he have a doubt about whether MB was serious about LS.

On June 09 2023 14:20 Alakaslam wrote:
Dude I take a shower and that is all you ppl said by then?

Anyway DMB says senseless shit D1 if last game from mafia perspective is anything to go by, but is crackin' the town wisdom whip by D2 so do not dismiss

Chezinu so different, Chezinu so hidden... I get NK fast, you know who it is


First line made me laugh out. Slam felt like a comment was warranted on MB but not a read. D1 freepass I suppose is okay for second game, still.

On June 09 2023 14:22 Alakaslam wrote:
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On June 09 2023 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:20 Alakaslam wrote:
Dude I take a shower and that is all you ppl said by then?

Anyway DMB says senseless shit D1 if last game from mafia perspective is anything to go by, but is crackin' the town wisdom whip by D2 so do not dismiss

Chezinu so different, Chezinu so hidden... I get NK fast, you know who it is


Why is LS town slam?

Ok look at last game
.list post from hell


Look at this game

.relief finally I am town

LS always looks fake but there is a difference


But he recycled a post, so this one seems disingenous. I could think of another list post though:

On June 09 2023 14:25 Alakaslam wrote:
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On June 09 2023 14:23 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:21 Alakaslam wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Why do you have a strong opinion of LS alignment slam?

Statistics, and difference of opener.

Why you got all questions and no reads, m8? I asked all the questions last game iirc it ain't so townie


You don't think I have talked about peoples alignment? Even though you quoted my post stating lynching LS at the time was a good call?

Don't you think that qualifies as a read at this point in the game?

His opener doesn't seem that different to me. Still seems anxious and crafted.

Fair enough, you clearly SR LS and that IS a read.

Bad read still = valid read. Sometimes I forget this


If I consider DP=town world, this was a bad reaction. Reminiscing upon this fresh look, DP looks better to me and Slam + rayn come off as worse considering how easily they got their elbows twisted. Slam moreso than rayn, and I know better than to underestimate rayn's scumplay. Scum in DP town world would like to position themselves around him when they feel like he has thread pull. I think both of them and to some extent TTT fit the bill off the top of my head. With rayn being the least probable in my books.

Hinges on Cop's alignment too.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22133 Posts
June 10 2023 12:35 GMT
#670
Vivax
I don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me.


ಠ_ಠ
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 12:43 GMT
#671
Kids these days.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7463 Posts
June 10 2023 12:49 GMT
#672
On June 10 2023 21:32 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2023 21:30 Chezinu wrote:
On June 10 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote:
CC is Town for me at the moment:
CC is Rayn's fiancée. She is pretty sure that Rayn is Town. You find it suspicious that she sees him as Town when she usually sees him directly as Mafia. To me it looks more like she's just Town. When you are with someone you are sure what they are hiding or not hiding. I totally understand her reaction to your suspicion that she is red. Actually, it's just the emotional bond she has with Rayn. Strong Townread or Strong Mafiaread is just normal reaction of Love. Eyerthing inbetween would be a red flag for her. I feel the same way about Vivax. Either I see directly that he is green or red. In the first game I didn't think that it could be blue.
DP looks bad for me
There is no specific post that makes him red for me, its just the way he writes. Feels different to the last game.
Vivax
I don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me.
Chez
Chez is posting is always hard to understand for me. I don´t know why but always messge hidden in message or he posting english proverbs, that I as a non englisch person don´t know or understand and have to google it. This game he is makeing different trolls. different writing. Feels supect but still its chez ane he is hard do read so grey flag
MZ
It feels like you are here all the time reading along but staying silent. You have made 10 posts and we already have over 30 pages in the thread.
As a mafia I would also stay quiet and restrained.
LS
On June 09 2023 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya my posting is considered scummy as fuck
#hatersgonnahate

It´s not hate it is what it is.
On June 09 2023 11:31 LightningStrike wrote:
For real though Darth I really hope we actually are the same alignment because we always been opposite alignments in the games we played together.

Yeah together in the red team
On June 09 2023 21:54 LightningStrike wrote:
Darth you should go to sleep like you keep on saying

Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious.
Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing.







Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize my antics were causing such a communication struggle. If you would like, I can give you a temporary window time to communicate with Chezinu at a lower troll volume.

Yes that would even be helpful once


I'll even help you out since you are new. For the last several years, Chezinu typically just trolls for the first 24 hours of Day 1. He basically makes a bunch of posts to through information into the game. In the first few years of mafia on TeamLiquid, most players would discuss the setup and come up with a town strategy. Oftentimes debating whether blue roles should claim or not. After years of playing and a standard format arose, people stopped discussing the setup and started discussing meta. Chezinu realized years back that it doesn't matter too much what we talk about. He even wrote a blog called "House of Chez" on his playstyle. It involved having fun, which is the reason for playing mafia to begin with and catching mafia off guard. Mafia players are usually defensive when they first start playing. Natural human behavior. However, if they are having fun and talking about something else besides the game, their defenses drop. That's when you catch them. Another technique is to appear useless, so mafia can accuse you thinking that you are an easy lynch. When a new player is the first person to accuse Chezinu of being mafia, they were mafia 100% of the time. This is known as the Chezinu Rule and hasn't been broken despite playing on this forum for over 15 years.

Anyways, I got carried away. The 24 hour troll period has ended. Chezinu has and will soon start the hunt. He is a reaction reader. In other words, he best gets his reads from interacting with player firsthand instead of observing from the distance.

You have a mission now. Can you keep Chezinu from trolling too much this game? From experience, his sanity only last so longer before a microexpression of a smile emerges. And the troll burst out of him in laughter. Remember, meta changes and therefore Chezinu's playstyle changes. But there are core principles he follows. Many Vets here know them and even the Host creates rules against them. So, let's do this.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 10 2023 12:54 GMT
#673
Just woke up:
On June 10 2023 14:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
@Vivax
Assume (as I do) that DP is not getting lynched today. Who is your next lynch and why?

@LS
How did you learn to play mafia? Who from?

I was coached by Slam back in 2014 as town (he plays much different than how he coached back then) here on TL in Campus mafia (I was the town cop and got lynched Day 1) LoneMeow and GlowingBear coached me as well.
On June 10 2023 16:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Catch up post:

(I have been following the thread on my phone but I am using the 2 hours free time I have now to post in more detail.)

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On June 09 2023 21:48 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway like I said before the role PMS were posted going to be posting less this game, look forward to some clarity on that super early rayn town read by copcake that forms the lynchpin of basically every post she has made subsequently.

Goodnight.


Dude, do you even know how much I post per game?

This is nothing lol


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On June 09 2023 21:49 CopCake wrote:
Tell me darth, how much do I post per game to know what is too little or too much? :D


These posts make me think the cop cake stuff could just be a comprehension issue. I was clearly talking about myself posting less.

It does make me concerned that someone is calling someone out without reading/understanding? their filter cause I had talked about this on the front page as well.

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On June 09 2023 21:51 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:49 TankTopTiger wrote:
Hey DP can we get clarification on your use of the term "good faith" so we're all on the same page because I've seen it used multiple ways and seen a lot of people get confused by its different uses.

Do you just mean honest?

@copcake
Re: a lie
This is verifiable. Which questions do you not think were answered in the thread?

I fucking like this guy!

Ya this cements how I was reading him to be honest.


This post is scummy to me, but I think LS has posted so much more this game than last, MZ states later that this could be a reaction to his failings as scum in the prior game, and that could be true, but do people adjust so fast? can LS adjust that fast? I'm not sure, following the thread I feel better about LS than last game at this point I guess?

I think he might just post in a way that is traditionally scummy. the real thing to look for is engagement levels, and they seem to be higher, but I also don't see him analysing things or scum hunting. Is LS able to do those things as town?

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On June 09 2023 21:51 TankTopTiger wrote:
FWIW I don't care at all for any argument based on post-count, I'd ignore if for now if DP doesn't expand upon it.


Find it weird that TTT did not read the post properly either.


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On June 09 2023 21:51 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 21:30 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:
[quote]

But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽‍♀️

Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point.


Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.

I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.

Now your turn.


But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?

I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?

Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.



Are you reading the thread?

Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?

You are not operating in good faith.

I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn

Why do you not know this??


- someone else -

Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.

Is this hard to understand?


You do t understand clearly.

I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.

But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.


So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps?


Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions.

So my only assumption is that either:

1.) you have not read or understood the thread

or

2.) You have read and understood and are not operating in good faith

And BTW it has been hours and you have repeatedly ignored the question I have asked about why you think Rayn was town so early in the game, particularly when rayn said in the OBS thread from last game you always think he is scummy.



No by the time, you didn't answer my slam question which I needed, so you are just fabricating a scenario here.

I invite EVERYONE to read my filter.


Yep, either willful ignorance or straight up ignorant (see my big post on the matter)

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On June 09 2023 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 22:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 22:32 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 22:28 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 22:16 CopCake wrote:
On June 09 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 22:14 CopCake wrote:
[quote]

Almost 40 min ago

you really think that makes me town?
What would i do if i was mafia?


Trying to get me emotional and angry

have i done that before or where do you get that idea?


Yes, you have.


He did get emotional and angry, Marv even pointed this out in the thread so how does this make any sense.


getting emotional and angry is different than getting someone else emotional and angry.
and i didn't even get e/a. Now i am starting to for this shit.


Oh ok I misread never mind

wtf? how can you misread "getting someone angry" into "getting angry"?
Do you think i was getting angry or are you just sheeping marv's shit?


How you ask? Its midnight, I'm phone posting in bed and I was drunk.

I wasn't sheeping marvs shit, I was saying, if Marv thought that, it would be reasonable for others to also think this, but yeah just misread it. Lol.

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On June 09 2023 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote:
#186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)

But you actually answered slam in #187.

So why did you answer that before?

I do believe #186 goes before #187.

I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam.


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On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.-


These two posts are absolutely not aligned, first is 'look i am participating I get whats happening' second is "yeah so confusing."

Actually LS is sheeping rayn hard

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On June 09 2023 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
that being said the thing between DP and Cake is so convoluted i can't comprehend even when reading their filters... Make it easier to understand if you think one is mafia pls.



Then

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On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.-


Like rayn is clearly trying to get somewhere in the mess, LS is just trying to be part of it without actually adding things?

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On June 09 2023 22:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2023 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 09 2023 22:44 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 09 2023 22:39 CopCake wrote:
#186 I re-asked you to answer me the slam question, which I assume rayn believed you answered. (the rayn-lunch-push)

But you actually answered slam in #187.

So why did you answer that before?

I do believe #186 goes before #187.

I just checked this more into detail and yep he finally answered your question in #187 regarding his read on Slam.

I think it is some other questions DP is saying Cake is asking whihc he had answered already.

That has to be the only explanation otherwise this just shitting up the thread for very little reason. Again this is making my head spin -.-


More rayn sheep. Pretty gross.


This post by Vivax is WILD!


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On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Had a nice nap after almost being choked to death in my sleep tonight.

On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it. His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.

I‘d also add that the way rayn followed into DPs footsteps in regards to Cake felt forced and hedgy.

Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.

With that in mind and them not giving off the same energy as last game where at least rayn seemed like an easy townlean, Cake gets my axe for wagonomical reasons til I get to decide if rayn isn‘t a better lynch for the way he got smacked into submission by DP.

##Vote DarthPunk

Something about Ttts entrance also rubbed me the wrong way as it felt like they were evaluating the dp-cop interaction from the sidelines as an opener that suggested they wanted to play it safe.



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On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
On a partial reread, I could do a DP lynch. Maybe even a rayn one. DP basically takes LS post at face value and instatowns it while it‘s far from apparent how it makes him town and that doesn‘t change when I point out he‘s copied it.


This partis just straight up untrue. I never town read LS on face value, I call that post out for feeling crafted, and guess what, Copypasta. It was.


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On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
His questions to rayn at times seem fabricated and you can observe how he nudges rayn into interacting with him for the purpose of manipulating him into voting Cake.


What questions? the one I did at the start of the game to get shit going? no idea what this means TBH

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On June 10 2023 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Overall I don‘t really see what they saw aside from Cake using lunch as an excuse which to me seems like a silly reason to base the entire read on.


I never mentioned her lunch. the thing we both saw was a narrative of suspicions cast at me which relied on a super early town read of rayn that didn;t make sense based on the stated meta of her scum reading rayn.

And then she refused to elaborate on this town read.

Yeah shit post Vivax TBH.


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On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?


Now LS sheeps vivax's take of the cupcake /Dp battle feeling forced. But its cast as his own idea?

He knows someone else feels that way, vivax just posted that exact sentiment.

Bad, bad, bad.

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On June 10 2023 04:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 04:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2023 03:15 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 03:09 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:36 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:35 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 02:19 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance?


I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam.

I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it.


Weak tbh, I had the same urge with you and there‘s a bunch of info around already.
You used to be more opinionated.


Once upon a time I had a full head of hair and now it is gone.


Relatable. Mine goes grey instead.


Re: opinions, there are a lot of games that I’ll have strong opinions, but this thread is difficult for me. There is “information” but a lot of it to me is bad. It’s basically DP shitting up the thread by forcing a case on CopCake, because he can’t help himself.

But that doesn’t give me a lot to go on.

Frankly, I’m more skeptical/suspicious of players that have developed strong opinions more than anything else. MZ’s post looks quite bad to me in that respect. I’d think yours is bad too, but I also think you’re of the same mentality as DP.

Regarding the bolded do you think this is alignment indicative for Darth?


I don’t think forcing a case is alignment indicative in an early game context.

Stuff like him refusing to read Chez’s wall of text and then reading said wall anyway tells me he was just bored early game and doing random shit.



Wrong, its actually pro town (not that the case on CC is particularly forced IMO) I feel fairly comfortable taking heat from people and provoking activity at the cost of some mild defending.

I definitely have been the driver of a lot of activity and forcing people to take positions early in day one which is certainly pro town.

You're right in regard to me though, I could probably still do this as mafia.

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On June 10 2023 05:30 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:23 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:21 Alakaslam wrote:
On June 09 2023 14:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Why do you have a strong opinion of LS alignment slam?

Statistics, and difference of opener.

Why you got all questions and no reads, m8? I asked all the questions last game iirc it ain't so townie


You don't think I have talked about peoples alignment? Even though you quoted my post stating lynching LS at the time was a good call?

Don't you think that qualifies as a read at this point in the game?

His opener doesn't seem that different to me. Still seems anxious and crafted.


Yes it is anxious and crafted. It‘s not from this world or era. It‘s pasta, copy..pasta.

Do you think that‘s not revenant, DP ? Do you really think that ?


Yep, that is why I scum read him for it immediately. lol.

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On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.

that's my best read atm


Bad.

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On June 10 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whoever said vivax is mafia is probably mafia.

that's my best read atm


Initially I thought hapa didn't do enough to establish himself as town when he entered the game, particularly if he prides himself as being easy to read (and from memory this was very true when he was town 7 years ago)

But the second read through he seems better to me, just feels very relaxed.


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On June 10 2023 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 10 2023 05:41 CopCake wrote:
Explain me the chezinu thing

Is it only because he voted vivax?

Chezinu is a good hunter of power roles as mafia, and has a "blue/red sickness" as town, which means people tend to play more cautiously when they are a power role rather than vanilla, and Chezinu recognizes that (and thinks it's mafia because mafia also plays more carefully).

Vivax is not blue, never fucking ever in this game, so Chezinu has to be mafia because he i voting for Vivax and Vivax doesn't even look scummy at all.


The problem with this is that I don't think he read his role PM.


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On June 10 2023 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think lynching LS is the way here though


Agree at this point in my read through.

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On June 10 2023 06:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Ok if I have to choose out of Darth and CopCake who is mafia more likely Darth? CopCake didn't lie about her stuff towards him and Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason?


Bad.

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On June 10 2023 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you have to choose?


Exactly.

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On June 10 2023 06:14 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2023 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you have to choose?

1 of them is mafia the other is town. It felt to forced from one side (IE how I caught a mafia player in the past and was correct on who). This is usually what happens when 1 person is town the other is mafia.


Where the fuck did this come from?

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On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote:
I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim.
And y‘all thought you were good.


Is this only for activity levels? YOu also thought he was town last game FWIW.

And were very wrong.

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On June 10 2023 06:22 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2023 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
meh.. does anyone else think LS is mafia?

Darth does but he's not here.


And it's only gotten worse as I read through I am afraid.

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On June 10 2023 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote:
I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim.
And y‘all thought you were good.

i am going to agree, even if i dont want to.


WTF?! Why the backflip.



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On June 10 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 10 2023 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2023 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier:
On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?

From both of them? No.

It felt like it from one side at least but I having a hard time figuring out who and why.

On June 10 2023 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2023 06:05 CopCake wrote:
On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier:
On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?


Do you think it was w vs w or a town vs wolf?

If the last, who was the most town?

closer to Mafia vs Town type of deal (Or Wolf vs Town since you know Werewolf better i think?) In that case I have no idea at the moment to be honest.

On June 10 2023 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2023 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 10 2023 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2023 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier:
On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote:
By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced?

From both of them? No.

It felt like it from one side at least but I having a hard time figuring out who and why.

.................... the what?

At least how I read that entire conversation between the two of them it felt forced from one side IE one of them is mafia type of deal with how that entire sequence felt.

I dont think iam gonna get around of this any more.
"I think one is scum but i cant specify which just one is or for what reasons!!"

##unvote Chezinu
##vote LightningStrike


sorry vivax i think this is it.


Nevermind.

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On June 10 2023 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm idk i think i let Hapa off too easy, it as kinda bad after all what he posted..


Bad does not equal scum. Otherwise Vivax is 1000% mafia in this spot.

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On June 10 2023 09:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
I finished work right now... and wow much to read. I was just fast reading and have to read it again more accurately after some sleep, but what I got so far is
Vivax is posting a lot of bullshit nonsense
MZ writes bad as last game
LS seems suspect for me
Rayn seems always suspect for me so I can't make a opinion on him.
TTT Strong Townread
Marv is okey for now
Chez is Chez. I still think he is not human. His account is a first AI try for scum maybe.
And I have to Filter everyone I didn't mention here.


I like DMB this game, not that I agree with all her reads, just reminds me of the end of last game a bit, like she is reading and comprehending what is actually happening. Not pretending to. Thats like 75th percentile play at this juncture.

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On June 10 2023 12:26 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2023 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
welp, posted without really previewing but LS never came back to that question about Chez which just reinforces my impression that he was casting random suspicions rather than scum hunting.

I was scum hunting by asking questions about people trying to come up with my own conclusions? I did come up with my own conclusions and was some of posting them.


Actually you were sheeping strong players. HARD.

This is just so not true.

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On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.

Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in.


This is the big reason to scum read cop cake, she was paranoid as fuck in the obs thread, and it makes no sense for her to say, I was wrong last game and now I think you are town.

I also think the way I enter games tends to draw out interest from scum trying to start a wagon on me, it's a great way of getting reads IMO.

1. Regarding how I post: People say I post in a traditional scummy way regardless of my alignment
2. I did legit wasn't getting it at the time and posted it twice even!
3. Regarding Vivax: He didn't say anything about that fight you had with CopCake looking forced. Check his filter at that time.
4. You did in this post I replying to admit you the fight you had with CopCake was forced
5. Regarding sheeping: You do know that I think I was first person to call CopCake town after waht happened last game why would I make such a bold read against the grain vs a much better player in Rayn? I also didn't exactly sheep per say though on that stuff you called me sheeping I was giving my own thoughts.
On June 10 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote:
CC is Town for me at the moment:
CC is Rayn's fiancée. She is pretty sure that Rayn is Town. You find it suspicious that she sees him as Town when she usually sees him directly as Mafia. To me it looks more like she's just Town. When you are with someone you are sure what they are hiding or not hiding. I totally understand her reaction to your suspicion that she is red. Actually, it's just the emotional bond she has with Rayn. Strong Townread or Strong Mafiaread is just normal reaction of Love. Eyerthing inbetween would be a red flag for her. I feel the same way about Vivax. Either I see directly that he is green or red. In the first game I didn't think that it could be blue.
DP looks bad for me
There is no specific post that makes him red for me, its just the way he writes. Feels different to the last game.
Vivax
I don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me.
Chez
Chez is posting is always hard to understand for me. I don´t know why but always messge hidden in message or he posting english proverbs, that I as a non englisch person don´t know or understand and have to google it. This game he is makeing different trolls. different writing. Feels supect but still its chez ane he is hard do read so grey flag
MZ
It feels like you are here all the time reading along but staying silent. You have made 10 posts and we already have over 30 pages in the thread.
As a mafia I would also stay quiet and restrained.
LS
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On June 09 2023 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya my posting is considered scummy as fuck
#hatersgonnahate

It´s not hate it is what it is.
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On June 09 2023 11:31 LightningStrike wrote:
For real though Darth I really hope we actually are the same alignment because we always been opposite alignments in the games we played together.

Yeah together in the red team
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On June 09 2023 21:54 LightningStrike wrote:
Darth you should go to sleep like you keep on saying

Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious.
Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing.





Ok regarding the haters gonna hate you really think I would post that right coming off a terrible game as mafia so early like that?
If I was mafia with Darth this game especially if you HAD read the mafia discord chat why I would tell him this game to bus me so hard so early given what I told VE in the previous game in that discord chat?
Also that last post I was legit trying to tell Darth regardless of his alignment to sleep given he did say he needed to sleep.
Regarding the Darth and CopCake stuff do you think the people pushing it (like me) are mafia just trying to push it or is it the motivation for pushing it is why you got me as mafia?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 10 2023 12:56 GMT
#674
On June 10 2023 17:30 TankTopTiger wrote:
It's the only point in his favour, but IMO it's a big point.

Last game, he posted little and managed to throw his position hard, not just look scummy as predicted by his meta. This game he's posting a lot, so I think we get to be confident in catching him if he stays around.

But LS, this is conditional on you continuing to post a lot, and you need to post your reads that come from you. You keep regurgitating what other people say, or asking questions that are already answered. I need to see you looking.

What questions did I ask that were already answered?
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 10 2023 13:05 GMT
#675
On June 10 2023 12:26 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 10 2023 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
welp, posted without really previewing but LS never came back to that question about Chez which just reinforces my impression that he was casting random suspicions rather than scum hunting.

I was scum hunting by asking questions about people trying to come up with my own conclusions? I did come up with my own conclusions and was some of posting them.

Who is mafia LS?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 10 2023 13:07 GMT
#676
On June 10 2023 22:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On June 10 2023 12:26 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 10 2023 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
welp, posted without really previewing but LS never came back to that question about Chez which just reinforces my impression that he was casting random suspicions rather than scum hunting.

I was scum hunting by asking questions about people trying to come up with my own conclusions? I did come up with my own conclusions and was some of posting them.

Who is mafia LS?

How many times did I answer this question? I said Darth I thought?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 10 2023 13:08 GMT
#677
With that in that in mind will put my vote on him
##Vote: DarthPunk
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 10 2023 13:08 GMT
#678
On June 10 2023 20:54 Hapahauli wrote:
I still think the worst thing in the thread is MZ's posting. I've mentioned his entrance post, but his post on LS also gives me the shakes.

I think it is a lot of grandstanding by MZ. Full of very unnecessary sarcasm, snarkiness... like he's trying to criticise LS's play. I'll elaborate more when I am at my computer later this afternoon.

I await this with baited breath
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 10 2023 13:10 GMT
#679
I am so tired of these scumreads on me I wish Damdred was here to be honest T_T
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22133 Posts
June 10 2023 13:21 GMT
#680
I need to dwell a lot more on this game now that I'm not on mobile, in the meantime:

##Unvote: DP

I'll reconsider if I want to pull through with the hail marry vote.

On June 09 2023 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On June 09 2023 15:27 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 09 2023 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So okay DP.

In my opinion you asking me who to lynch right now only really makes sense if you think i should have or could have a scum read based on something in the game. Did you think i should have a scumread at that point of the game and if yes, then who would that be and why? If you don't, why did you ask the question -- and furthermore why did you try to "force" me to answer when i clearly said i can't answer at that point?


1.) I did it to you because you did it to me

2.) I explained what the point was.

3.) see 2.

I did it because i expected something from you. Did you expect something from me? It hasn't been clear to me yet if you did or not. This:
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On June 09 2023 14:29 DarthPunk wrote:
The point is that you generate information, and make people take positions to get the game going :D

..is bullcrap mostly, because if there is nothing to have an opinion on, then there is no point in forging an opinion on something.

If you think i should have had an opinion on something at that time, feel free to call me scum for it. If not, then you were just making a pointless question you even pressed onwards without any basis in the first place.


This nudges me towards rayn town as the answer is tonally strong, but it also feels like it's based on redundant reasoning that gets down to 'but you did it first' on DPs side. I think rayn does come off better than DP from this. Maybe I'm imagining it but DP tries hard to appear firm in his expression while I'm not sure that's really his mental state while writing.

I don't think they're paired if one of them is mafia, at the very least.
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