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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 06:49 GMT
#1518
Ps don’t mind all MZ’s posts overnight, looks like genuine effort and isn’t giving me the creeps.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 07:05 GMT
#1526
I’m running out of time this morning but rayn your case isn’t as clear cut as you think it is. I agree with various bits of it - to summarise extremely briefly, the stuff about obsQT etc is obviously bullshit, and agree with #4 in general too.

But the bit about ignoring evidence - TTT did exactly that to me last game, said I was scum for something to do with LS, I posted 3 of my posts in thread to easily disprove that, but he still kept repeating the same nonsense. It was really bad.

Also there is a language thing with the “twice as weird” bit, will try to explain later if you’re interested.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 07:06 GMT
#1527
On June 13 2023 15:59 TankTopTiger wrote:
Aight. I think I'm a goner.

Even if I somehow make it out of this lynch, I don't think I'll live through the next one now that I'm pretty sure basically everyone is against me. I don't really want to spend the next 1-4 days fighting just to die anyway. I don't really blame people for being sus overall on me, I'm playing differently to last game for sure. But I am frustrated by the constant reading comprehension issues, the repeating the same questions, the ignoring my questions, the pedantry. You guys don't understand how I think, you didn't last game and you don't this game. That's fine but you seem to think you do??That's fine I guess it's just... Too much effort for me. I no longer have agency in the game, I'm not engaged, and I'm pretty bamboozled overall.

When I'm dead: I don't really have strong town reads. My read on Rayn was heavily based on some early interactions, and he hasn't really done much since then. It's stale and since everyone agreed he was town, I didn't really want more work on my plate filtering him when he was never going to be lynched.

DP I can never be sure because I haven't actually encountered his scum play in forum mafia and he speaks very highly of himself in this regard. He seems more agentic than last game where he was town (I don't see how Rayn think's he's current town boss compared to DP, Rayn afked the lynch and hasn't really done much more than perpetuate D1 convoes). I don't like how DP thinks I would go for policy lynches. In no game we have ever played together have I been the type of player to value points on the board over game state. DP, you realise what you're expecting me to want to do is bolt face turn 1 in an FFA right? Right?! I don't really see this as something he could possibly expect from me. I always play for control first every single time.

MZ seems townish but has difficulty understanding other points of view. If someone disagrees with him they're stupid dumdum. He felt this way last game too. MZ, you don't understand what I'm saying, and you're super motivated to twist it into contradiction.

Town is about to be 6-3. I stand by my read on CC, it's the best case. When you see I'm town, also make Vayo answer the question regarding their baseless reads. I'm also suspicious of Marv because he just doesn't seem active enough now he's free. Any other strong town player can't keep themselves from engaging. DP has no time and yet somehow his filter is enormous. I don't know Marv well, but his actual content posts are minimal within a filter barely over two pages long. When I subbed in last game, I felt I had a lot more to say than Marv does now.

Slam is... less than last game. He's just doing less. I have no idea why people have strong ideas about him... actually that's a recurring issue with you lot, you've normalised baseless reads.

Good luck town whoever tf you are <3

Although this is early to throw in the towel
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 07:08 GMT
#1529
On June 13 2023 15:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 15:46 marvellosity wrote:
What did I say last game about Vivax? Something about tone and not lynching d1?

Genuinely asking, my memory is terrible.

Anyway let me read your case in peace before I get up for work

these:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
On May 26 2023 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i have genuinely no idea why both VE and DP voted with the people they did instead of the people they didn't. It was not like Meapak was REALLY TOWNIE and Vivax REALLY SCUMMY in anyone's right mind.

Quite simple for VE. If he’s town he just genuinely believes what he believes and he’s pigheaded about it. Nothing out of character there.

If he’s mafia he’s very brazenly just mislynching Vivax because he can. Also not out of character.

DP much less obvious.

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On May 27 2023 09:10 marvellosity wrote:
By the way, and I don’t think this fairly obvious point has been made yet?

Vivax is a terrible day 1 lynch if his filter is okay, as if he is mafia bud filter is gonna quickly deteriorate. If VE is town, lynching Vivax D1 is a huge blunder.

If VE is mafia, lynching Vivax day 1 is the only chance he’s gonna get…

best posts you made entire game.

Right sure, so very little about Vivax’s actual play
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 10:32 GMT
#1555
On June 13 2023 19:19 CopCake wrote:
Btw I am not town cleared by rayn, he thinks that only vivax and LS are his 10000% town reads.

Other people are having additional reads on chezinu and marv.

I could lynch marv, I think I made a mistake on chezinu.

Explain yourself?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 10:34 GMT
#1556
I haven’t got time to get into this DP/rayn thing rn but I will later.

rayn I’m not sure what your world view is supposed to be unless you think exactly TTT/DP/marv are mafia. Unless I misread something that’s 100% impossible
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 11:06 GMT
#1559
On June 13 2023 19:37 Vivax wrote:
I think I‘m comfortable with a rayn and DP town bloc for today.

Yesterday I was drunk posting, today I‘m realizing that some things never change, like losing my shit over marv‘s sky-high arrogance.

Him making reads over whether they pushed/defended DMB is still nonsense he didn‘t even bother adressing and I think DP has been exceedingly biased in how he handled him. He‘s essentially making it futile to float marv as lynch today.

I think MZs posting has deteriorated and I noticed a bunch of players saying that his posting has improved (DP, Chez I think but I need to recheck) which I can‘t agree with.
Will expand on what I think of him within this day.

Specifically I was bothered by his post about me cause I‘m not playing adhering to my tryhard meta at all times and that should show. So when someone compliments me in that way during a more fun oriented approach in order to town me it sets off red flags.

Busy for a bit but these are my good morning thoughts

Where have I been arrogant? I don’t get it.

I don’t get what you’re saying about DMB either?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 11:34 GMT
#1563
CC I am obviously asking you why you want to lynch me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 12:18 GMT
#1567
On June 13 2023 20:44 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 03:20 Vivax wrote:
On June 13 2023 01:53 marvellosity wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:40 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:22 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:18 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:10 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:08 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 22:59 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly.

Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place.
That is


In hindsight it was about me pointing out how recycling posts is so blatantly careless that mafia would be less likely to do it.
The post probably makes more sense if you read it from a mindset where I was half baked at the phone, noticing your disregard for the two crucial pieces of information that LS' was a recycled post and that cake had cake for lunch.

And also that I couldn't follow the argument you were making about cop being mafia and a read of her filter did nothing to change my mind about it.


Well presumably you are now enlightened, does that change anything for you.


I barely manage to keep electricity going, imagine being enlightened.

On June 09 2023 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem with Cake is that every time i am town and she is following the game she thinks i am mafia, i have a hard time imagining she genuinely has a town read on me right now.


This is probs the point I could see as the most valid as rayn's the one who should have the best grasp on her alignment, but I have no guarantee that rayn isn't mafia and took an easy route when you offered it to him and (in my opinion) coerced him into going after Cake.


That is a very valid point.

Also, I don't coerce Rayn to do shit. Rayn does his own thing and chooses what he does and doesn't place value in.

So, all this being the case, who do you want to lynch right now?


The way he went after Cop had a similar dynamic to you+marv pushing me towards mebaby last game.
Felt like coercion then, as it's not something I wanted to do but had no way of countering.

Ok so are we both town then? Because Marv and I were both town last game vivax!

Yeah, Vivax’s post is nonsense because I very openly spent as much time as I could trying to clear DMB and never came close to voting for her.


Which post ? Mafia couldn‘t try to clear dmb ?


I needed a reply to this, marv.
If I call you arrogant it‘s because I assume I don‘t seem important enough to you for you to consider my posts.

And while some things don‘t make sense to you or DP, they do to the beings who possess universal knowledge.

I don’t understand what you’re asking though, hence the lack of reply. Why would mafia try to clear a mislynch? DMB had tons of pressure d1 last game. What are you getting at?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 14:16 GMT
#1582
On June 13 2023 23:12 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 21:18 marvellosity wrote:
On June 13 2023 20:44 Vivax wrote:
On June 13 2023 03:20 Vivax wrote:
On June 13 2023 01:53 marvellosity wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:40 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:22 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:18 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 23:10 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

Well presumably you are now enlightened, does that change anything for you.


I barely manage to keep electricity going, imagine being enlightened.

On June 09 2023 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem with Cake is that every time i am town and she is following the game she thinks i am mafia, i have a hard time imagining she genuinely has a town read on me right now.


This is probs the point I could see as the most valid as rayn's the one who should have the best grasp on her alignment, but I have no guarantee that rayn isn't mafia and took an easy route when you offered it to him and (in my opinion) coerced him into going after Cake.


That is a very valid point.

Also, I don't coerce Rayn to do shit. Rayn does his own thing and chooses what he does and doesn't place value in.

So, all this being the case, who do you want to lynch right now?


The way he went after Cop had a similar dynamic to you+marv pushing me towards mebaby last game.
Felt like coercion then, as it's not something I wanted to do but had no way of countering.

Ok so are we both town then? Because Marv and I were both town last game vivax!

Yeah, Vivax’s post is nonsense because I very openly spent as much time as I could trying to clear DMB and never came close to voting for her.


Which post ? Mafia couldn‘t try to clear dmb ?


I needed a reply to this, marv.
If I call you arrogant it‘s because I assume I don‘t seem important enough to you for you to consider my posts.

And while some things don‘t make sense to you or DP, they do to the beings who possess universal knowledge.

I don’t understand what you’re asking though, hence the lack of reply. Why would mafia try to clear a mislynch? DMB had tons of pressure d1 last game. What are you getting at?


You called one of my posts nonsense and I asked which one you meant, then proceeded to clear yourself for something you did around DMB which was wifom at best.

I was talking about last game. And I was town so it was nonsense.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 14:20 GMT
#1584
DP, you have a point on Chez. His vote ended on the player that got lynched every cycle in the previous game, he didn’t waste a vote once (he may have cast a few funny ones in between)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 14:23 GMT
#1587
On June 13 2023 23:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 23:20 marvellosity wrote:
DP, you have a point on Chez. His vote ended on the player that got lynched every cycle in the previous game, he didn’t waste a vote once (he may have cast a few funny ones in between)

I agree with this. But I brown read the chez.

You pooped on him?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 14:29 GMT
#1590
On June 13 2023 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 16:05 marvellosity wrote:
I’m running out of time this morning but rayn your case isn’t as clear cut as you think it is. I agree with various bits of it - to summarise extremely briefly, the stuff about obsQT etc is obviously bullshit, and agree with #4 in general too.

How am i wrong on #1, noone wants to touch that shit with a pole and it's the most damning evidence.

Show nested quote +
But the bit about ignoring evidence - TTT did exactly that to me last game, said I was scum for something to do with LS, I posted 3 of my posts in thread to easily disprove that, but he still kept repeating the same nonsense. It was really bad.

I am gonna look that up when i wake up, gotta sleep soon.

Show nested quote +
Also there is a language thing with the “twice as weird” bit, will try to explain later if you’re interested.

Please elaborate, i can't understand even when i look up "twice as weird", i mean like i get what it means i think, but i don't understand how he uses it there as town given his earlier and later posts.

The twice as weird thing is just a figure of speech, of course it is natural to think it needs to be weird in the first place, but it’s just shorthand for “it’s weird”. Which in that view it would be weird, that much has not been inconsistent
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 15:06 GMT
#1594
On June 13 2023 23:26 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 05:24 marvellosity wrote:
So:
LS - town, uncounterclaimed tracker, longer filter in less than half the time of last game. Emotionally congruent?

DP/Vivax - townreads to a lesser extent. I don’t really know what Vivax is on and my brain hurts, so likely town. DP has been the town leader (sort of in rayn’s absence a little), I didn’t understand why he was getting votes d1. Good play around the lynch. Read on Copcake feels genuine.

The rest is where it gets tricky.

Slam and Chez both seem to be playing similarly to last game. What that means for their alignment this game is anyone’s guess.

TTT’s play also has a lot of similarities to last game and at some point I thought he was pretty town for it. There’s something around how he’s treating Copcake this game vs me last game that I find suspicious though. Apparently last game he was happy to tunnel me to shit and tell me how poorly I was playing if town, seemingly purely based on his interpretation of other people’s interpretation of my play (?!). This game where he apparently has legit in game reasons to scumread CC, the tunnel is way more… gentle. Feels a marked difference. Something about the Hapa kill too (yes wifom)

rayn said plenty of smart things as usual and he’s had some pretty strong townreads from a couple of people (sort of blurring into one after a big read). But I’m not ready for that read yet, he is less town leadery than I would expect, a little more passive. I’m not ready to do much about it today, because he’s missing Koshi to bounce off and he’s been missing me to bounce off too. So it might all be nothing. But it might be something

Copcake I read as somewhat town for holding up to the pressure early game. I did agree with whoever said that there is a lack of alignment-finding-out-ness about her play, but then I think about some of my past games when I’ve been under a lot of pressure and I sometimes fall into the trap of just defending, defending, defending.

Vayo, bleh. Could obviously easily be mafia, probs in the same way some/all of you think I might be mafia in this spot.

MZ… I don’t disagree with the general analysis that MZ’s play feels similar to last game. But, ya know, townplay thay gets you lynched d1 (sorry about that) isn’t terribly hard to mimic either. I agree very much with what rayn said about MZ at the lynch. As an aside, I read a bunch of his past games last game, and he does just seem to be more aggressive now than he used to be.

Tldr; tomorrow I need to filter the bottom 3, and I need to interact more with the two above that.


1.- Vivax read is ?????? Considering everybody else is tricky, this feels like let’s just throw something here

2.- Rayn has been very vocal, dp is town leader in rayns absence so he is town but rayn is not town leader so he is a tricky read?

Try to explain me this marv

What’s to explain? I very rarely actually understand what Vivax is doing as town (much more straightforward as mafia!). But he’s active and involved and reading and not sounding boring.

I think I explained pretty well what I mean about rayn and how I typically read him. Especially the interact with him stuff and the “if I’m not hard town reading I’m wary”. As I have said previously we think at least somewhat similarly so this is how I approach someone like him, he’s too good to approach in any other way (imo)

Why do either of these things make me mafia?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 15:07 GMT
#1595
Vivax what is your problem with MZ’s posts this cycle?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 15:11 GMT
#1597
On June 13 2023 03:36 Vayoletta wrote:
Im now free from my long term guest and can play properly.

My PoE right now is Vivax, Chez, Marvellosity and Mz.

I believe LS’s claim. I read Copcake and Slam town. I trust rayn’s and CopCake’s point on DP to not suspect him now, but I am not quite sold on rayn being town. I hope I will find him as I go through the material.

I hope I did not forget anyone.

Is this person really town?

##vote: Vayoletta

Remarkable lack of traction on someone who hasn’t come to play.

And yes yes I missed days but I’m here now trying to win.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 15:16 GMT
#1599
On June 14 2023 00:15 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I also just reread Vivax and actually found myself nodding along to a lot of it. His filter is a lot more coherent than I was expecting and I am no longer townreading TTT in the slightest. He's null at best now.


I don‘t believe this dude read my filter and found himself nodding along with it and then leaving me at null.

That has to be a lie with a fake read along with it cause he should’ve been turned into an hysterical bobblehead at minimum. I also think I’m far from coherent.

He’s saying TTt is null, not you
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 15:21 GMT
#1600
I think MZ’s posts are much better this cycle than anything from D1 that I read
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 16:13 GMT
#1608
On June 14 2023 00:56 Chezinu wrote:
I got busy talking to someone in RL towards the end of Day 1. But we got the blue, so all good.

Am I going to be able to understand why your vote is where it was if I read your filter?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 13 2023 16:13 GMT
#1609
On June 14 2023 00:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 00:11 marvellosity wrote:
On June 13 2023 03:36 Vayoletta wrote:
Im now free from my long term guest and can play properly.

My PoE right now is Vivax, Chez, Marvellosity and Mz.

I believe LS’s claim. I read Copcake and Slam town. I trust rayn’s and CopCake’s point on DP to not suspect him now, but I am not quite sold on rayn being town. I hope I will find him as I go through the material.

I hope I did not forget anyone.

Is this person really town?

##vote: Vayoletta

Remarkable lack of traction on someone who hasn’t come to play.

And yes yes I missed days but I’m here now trying to win.

Thank fuck I felt like I was taking crazy pills for a bit.

The way people call Vayoletta scummy then refuse to vote her reminds me of how LS skated along last game.

Also I don't buy TTT's giving up post halfway through the day.

I could very easily see a Vayoletta/TTT/Chez team at this point with all 3 of them attempting to soft bus each other to varying degrees.

It’s never that easy
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