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Oh... I hated slams post about me... I forgot about it because I decided not to reply to it. Tricky to separate my annoyance from my suspicion. It seems like he's setting me up. But even then it *feels* different to last game, and feels are what I rely on to parse trolls before committing my attention to them.
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Actually I'm scaling back my townish read on DMB. I was impressed by her level of awareness, but my read on her is grey.
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Weird as it might seem rayn, LS is less scummy to me having posted a copypasta, than if that was their own writing. It's probably something they were intending on doing before they received their alignment. He's still acting scumbo overall though.
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Slam, you talk about statistics regarding why LS is town.
What statistics? What is your expectation for ScumLS and how did LS break them?
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Vivax
Last game you were lynched D1 as doctor. Is there anything you plan to do to not get D1L this game?
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Hey DP can we get clarification on your use of the term "good faith" so we're all on the same page because I've seen it used multiple ways and seen a lot of people get confused by its different uses.
Do you just mean honest?
@copcake
Re: a lie
This is verifiable. Which questions do you not think were answered in the thread?
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FWIW I don't care at all for any argument based on post-count, I'd ignore if for now if DP doesn't expand upon it.
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Okay DP, but dishonesty != ignorance != wilful ignorance
See why I ask for clarity? Bad faith is what people say when they want to win an argument, it just means all the bad things IMO instead of anything specific.
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For me, the main thing is why you have a town read on Rayn when that contradicts your meta of suspecting him. This meta is demonstrated in obs QT for endurance II, is evidenced by Rayn's report of your usual MO, and is expected based on your match history together of him being scum often (betrayal breeds suspicion not blind trust).
All this other stuff is squabbling compared to that. IMO your answer to this question will likely decide whether you live to see the night.
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Yeah I think everyone's posting a bit fast instead of taking their time, and it's making everything super confusing. I'm constantly double-taking from the misinterpretations which seem honest but unproductive.
If you want people to actually understand what happened, you need to quote the posts, in order, and probably summarise how they fit into what you're claiming.
Because I really tried to check the posts you're mentioning but I just don't understand, and I doubt other people do either.
It's not enough to be right, you need to clearly communicate why you're right.
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@Rayn & CC
I don't think it's plausible that you are both red so I'm going to trust you both when you say it's reasonable for CC to trust Rayn in this game. I'm trusting you two to know each other better than I know you. CC isn't completely off the hook with me, she's still probably most red, but not deep red like she would have been if Rayn answered differently.
I'm gonna go to bed, I expect tomorrow we can resolve these claims about lying etc. with some slower posting if need be.
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Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 03:36 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 22:55 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yeah I think everyone's posting a bit fast instead of taking their time, and it's making everything super confusing. I'm constantly double-taking from the misinterpretations which seem honest but unproductive.
If you want people to actually understand what happened, you need to quote the posts, in order, and probably summarise how they fit into what you're claiming.
Because I really tried to check the posts you're mentioning but I just don't understand, and I doubt other people do either.
It's not enough to be right, you need to clearly communicate why you're right.
I am going to start from the beginning On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? This is me interrogating Darth, post #174 page 9 (You can go from there and see the flow if you want) He asked me what I think, but I needed a specific question to be answered, about reading slam because in my opinion, he really is acting very differently from last game. On June 09 2023 15:34 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? Why is slam town? On June 09 2023 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:34 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? Why is slam town? Why don't you answer my question, and then I will answer this one. Then he demands me to answer his question, totally fair On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️ Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. So if you see, DP and me were talking civilian, in this order. Then I got busy at work, then went to have a small lunch break and went to play my other game, then Rayn pointed out this: Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️ Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no? Which I believed he was telling me that DP answered me, and in my MIND I believed he was telling me to answer asap (because I was online on another web) which I was like, hey I just went to lunch! But the problem here, is that DP liked THAT case, and called it "oooooffff you are right rayn cake mafia", when Rayn actually quotes something DP hasn't answered. If you were DP, and town, and you know Rayn made a mistake, wouldn't you clarify that or would you just JUMP and try to start a train over a misunderstanding? I hope I am being clear here.
Sorry, can you spell it out for me, what is the question DP hasn't answered that Rayn quoted?
What is the mistake that Rayn made that DP knew about?
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@DP
Did you decide to approach this game differently and if so how?
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I caught up but haven't processed it really, so I'm going back and reading it again. The thread is moving superfast IMO, much faster than last game. This will be good later when we have hard info to interpret today's events, but for now it's lurchy aggro in every direction.
+ I'm being town-read a lot, and I don't really understand why.
+ DP is different to last game but I want him to explain that.
+ I like the vibe of Haps approach.
+ MZ comes across as similar to last game where he was town.
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On June 09 2023 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 16:39 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️ Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. I think he just answered you in the post you quoted, no? I literally went to have lunch I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted. Oooff this is good actually.
On June 09 2023 16:48 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm mad I didn't spot that.
And have you answered why this is good actually yet? @DP
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I agree I acted like a referee which IMO is NAI.
Err... antsy feet posting? Do I want to know?
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@Rayn
On June 09 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you have any opinion on other players than Cake / DP?
So far i think Vivax is town and mebaby maybe town and Slam maybe town and LS maybe scum. Can't tell on other people.
Why was Vivax town at this point? Post 274. You asked me why I thought he was scummy
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On June 10 2023 09:23 TankTopTiger wrote:
I caught up but haven't processed it really, so I'm going back and reading it again. The thread is moving superfast IMO, much faster than last game. This will be good later when we have hard info to interpret today's events, but for now it's lurchy aggro in every direction.
+ I'm being town-read a lot, and I don't really understand why.
+ DP is different to last game but I want him to explain that.
+ I like the vibe of Haps approach.
+ MZ comes across as similar to last game where he was town.
180ing the bolded MZ take. The post I attributed to him was actually Vivax.
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@Slam
On June 09 2023 20:07 TankTopTiger wrote:
Slam, you talk about statistics regarding why LS is town.
What statistics? What is your expectation for ScumLS and how did LS break them?
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@LS Why is your vote on Rayn? Have you cased him at any point?
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