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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 11:20 GMT
#653
Regarding LS, the suspicion on him is pretty uncompelling. Dude is a wishy-washy shitposting mess, and that is just as likely (frankly more likely) to come from a townie without a filter.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 11:24 GMT
#654
I’m still fixated on MZ and Chez being our best lynch candidates here. I’ll have more on MZ in a bit.

Re: Chez, I think his posting structure of having his vote on Vivax while +1’ing other suspicions in the game is scummy. He did so to my post against MZ and MZ’s post against LS.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 11:40 GMT
#657
On June 10 2023 20:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2023 20:24 Hapahauli wrote:
I’m still fixated on MZ and Chez being our best lynch candidates here. I’ll have more on MZ in a bit.

Re: Chez, I think his posting structure of having his vote on Vivax while +1’ing other suspicions in the game is scummy. He did so to my post against MZ and MZ’s post against LS.


Do you think he read his role pm? Cause I don’t.


I think he didn't read his role PM at the beginning, but he probably did so later.

I looked through chez's meta a bunch back in 2020 when I played a game (and LYLO) situation with him, and my key takeaway was that he was actually a very good teammate. It is very uncharacteristic for him to try to troll his team and screw them over, which hypothetically not reading his role PM for a day could do if he is mafia.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 11:54 GMT
#659
I still think the worst thing in the thread is MZ's posting. I've mentioned his entrance post, but his post on LS also gives me the shakes.

I think it is a lot of grandstanding by MZ. Full of very unnecessary sarcasm, snarkiness... like he's trying to criticise LS's play. I'll elaborate more when I am at my computer later this afternoon.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 12:03 GMT
#661
Fair enough. I’ll have to read the previous game since it’s been brought up so much.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 12:43 GMT
#671
Kids these days.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 14:12 GMT
#699
On June 10 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote:
LS
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2023 11:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya my posting is considered scummy as fuck
#hatersgonnahate

It´s not hate it is what it is.
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On June 09 2023 11:31 LightningStrike wrote:
For real though Darth I really hope we actually are the same alignment because we always been opposite alignments in the games we played together.

Yeah together in the red team
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On June 09 2023 21:54 LightningStrike wrote:
Darth you should go to sleep like you keep on saying

Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious.
Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing.



Is there something that you are identifying as scummy in LS’s posting or are you just trolling him?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 14:17 GMT
#703
I’m mega - waffling on MZ after reading the last game. His posting this game is so structurally similar that I’m thinking I’m picking on a dislike of his style more than anything else.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 14:17 GMT
#704
DP we’re not making pre-game cases plz.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 14:26 GMT
#712
On June 10 2023 23:18 DarthPunk wrote:
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On June 10 2023 23:17 Hapahauli wrote:
I’m mega - waffling on MZ after reading the last game. His posting this game is so structurally similar that I’m thinking I’m picking on a dislike of his style more than anything else.


I think you are correct. I have a real issue with your MZ read right now TBH.



I’m considerably more suspicious of marv not spotting this, as he played in both games.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 14:36 GMT
#719
Oh hm I’m not reading carefully enough. Gonna re-read and recalibrate.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 20:29 GMT
#780
Finally back. Should be around for the rest of the Day 1 (and pretty active).
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 20:46 GMT
#781
Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet
Vivax
LightningStrike

Not lynching anyone above this line for the purposes of D1. PRetty strong town reads on all of them. I've read LS's filter several times, and it is very "stream of consciousness", unfiltered, messy... signs of a townie trying to get his bearings on the game.

Unfortunately that leaves a large pool of candidates below that I'm super "meh" on and I'll go one by one to get my thoughts out on the game.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 20:50 GMT
#782
Re: Darth Punk

I was pretty tempted to put him on the list above. My notepad has "pants squarely on head, annoying, probs town". My concern is that he is currently in the vote lead mostly out of his stubbornness with the whole CopCake thing rather than anything actually mafia oriented he has done. And while this is really old meta, I have known DP to death tunnel people as either alignment. Frankly, I have known DP to be more coherent as mafia.

That, and given the relative "inactivity" of the past 24 hours, I absolutely hate this type of voting dynamic:
On June 11 2023 03:51 Koshi wrote:
Day One Vote Count

DarthPunk (4): CopCake, Vivax, die_meatbaby, LightningStrike, Vivax
Vivax (1): Chezinu
CopCake (2): DarthPunk, TankTopTiger
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Hapahauli
LightningStrike (1): raynpelikoneet
Chezinu (0): raynpelikoneet

Not Voting (4): Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Vayoletta,

With 4 votes, DarthPunk is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Sunday, Jun 11 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in


Votes spread, 4 people not voting, and one person clearly in the lead? Either mafia is completely inactive and has zero thread control or we are lynching a townie and they don't care. I really, really don't think this type of vote dynamic typically leads to a successful lynch.

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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 20:52 GMT
#783
Re: CopCake

Also not a fan of lynching her. She seemed to take genuine offense at being called mafia, which is an objectively townie trait. I take those emotions (especially sustained, over a long period of posting) in much higher regard than some weird sequence of posting early in the game.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 21:03 GMT
#786
That leaves a pool of 6 players, which I will keep posting about over the next few minutes.

Meapak_Ziphh - I'm pretty torn, because I can't tell whether or not I just hate stylistically how he plays or if he's legit mafia. A lot of his posts set off alarm bells for me. I've mentioned his opener already, but I wanted to break down his posting on LS a bit more.

Firstly, his "wall of text" on LS seems more like he is trying to bait LS into an argument rather than to build a case. Just a couple of snippets of the language:
I'm going to do my best not to sound super sarcastic when I right this but come on, it's chez "I hope he answers so we figure out what it means?" Like what does it mean to you dude? Why highlight this? It's chez who the fuck knows what it means? This post serves no purpose

What in the actual fuck does this mean? Why do you think it was forced? Do you think both Darth and Copcake are scum? What posts do you felt were forced? What does this serve to do other than fish for suspicions?

There's more wine in front of this post than there is wine in my glass, and hint hint, there's a lot of wine in my glass. Tbh this post was the first one where I thought "he knows he didn't play scum well last game, what if he's deliberately trying a more active style this game to avoid attention."

Why tf would anyone chime in when you haven't told them what's making you feel that way? The continued unfounded accusations and unsubstantiated suspicions are not working for me.


The tonal aggressiveness given the context of the post (early game case on player) catches my eye in a bad way and reads like he is trying to grandstand his scum-read rather than develop an argument.

I read his filter in TL Endures, and his play is almost structurally identical to this game (in that he makes an awful opener and starts tunneling a single player - marv). However, I am struck by how much more civil his posting against marv is... and you can read the first page of his filter to get a feel for it:

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/609557-tl-endures-mafia?user=Meapak_Ziphh

It is also problematic to me that MZ has not substantially engaged any other topic in the thread other than LS over 40 hours into the day.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 21:04 GMT
#787
On June 11 2023 06:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 05:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Re: CopCake

Also not a fan of lynching her. She seemed to take genuine offense at being called mafia, which is an objectively townie trait. I take those emotions (especially sustained, over a long period of posting) in much higher regard than some weird sequence of posting early in the game.

Hijole lo siento hapa


Just log in later and sheep me dood. I'll figure out something.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 21:07 GMT
#788
Die_meatbaby

My town lynchbait radar is going off about Die_Meatbaby (henceforth, "DMB"). Overall, there's a sense of earnestness in his filter, and I hold posts like this from a new-ish player in the town column:

On June 09 2023 16:54 die_meatbaby wrote:
How can you already read someone as town or opposite? There are not even half of the player's here. I am waiting till other players write something as well not just Dp, Marv Rayn, CC and the two Troll Master


I think it is very, very good that he is not forcing suspicions early in the game and/or going with the flow of suspicions. I think it shows a degree of honesty in his play.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 21:13 GMT
#790
Chez
Marv
Vayoletta

All of them are in the "hell if I know" category.

Rereading Chez's filter, I'm probably just putting too much stock into his random shitposts and votes than I should. He is pretty readable later in the game, and I wouldn't feel good taking a dice roll at him being mafia today.

Marv hasn't done anything substantive. I haven't disagreed with anything he has said, but he is also capable of being reasonable as either alignment.

Vayoletta really hasn't done anything at all. Another dice roll.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 10 2023 21:28 GMT
#797
On June 11 2023 06:17 Vayoletta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 05:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Re: CopCake

Also not a fan of lynching her. She seemed to take genuine offense at being called mafia, which is an objectively townie trait. I take those emotions (especially sustained, over a long period of posting) in much higher regard than some weird sequence of posting early in the game.


Copcake is aggressive in a way that would come natural for town, but would have to be faked for wolf. Is Copcake a faker with a poker face or not?


Is this a kushm4sta alt?
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