EPTYour associative reads are really bad this game.
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Your associative reads are really bad this game. | ||
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On June 13 2023 16:18 DarthPunk wrote: Your associative reads are really bad this game. Like if you get to clear cc based on nothing much then I get to do the same with ttt. Part of your case on ttt also assumes Copcake is town. But I think she is mafia. So then is ttt bussing her all game? For what reason. Your case wasn’t as good or obvious as you seem to think it was. | ||
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On June 13 2023 16:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: this has nothing to do with association. regardless of TTT's alignment you are most likely mafia. So as exactly TOWN he gives up, not as MAFIA????????? so gives up when he has all the time in the world to address the case he knows is not right would not give up if the case is right and there is no way out that's what youre saying? Yes 100 percent this guy works in engagement and drops things all the time based on if he is engaged by it or not. When he is mafia in this situation he would be engaged with trying to deceive and survive. When he is town he is engaged by catching mafia and prosecuting cases so when he gives up post some reads etc it makes me think town. I could be getting hoodwinked by him here. But I think it would be next level. If you wanna call me mafia for not agreeing with you go right ahead. If I used that exact thought process I would have called you mafia for defending Copcake for dubious reasons long ago and not really engaging with the evidence against her. There we are. | ||
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I’ve already said what was compelling and ignored the rest. | ||
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If I was mafia I would pocket you from the start of the game and would not be disagreeing with you whatsoever. Because I know you are liable to fly off the handle like this. But I don’t care. Cause I’m town | ||
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I told you there is a chance I was being manipulated it’s in the post I wrote. I just think he would never make that post as mafia based on what I know of him. I understand that you don’t like it. What do you want me to do? That is what I think. I don’t want to lynch him because I’m my mind he is more likely to flip town than mafia. If he tricked me, the same way ve did. Sure. But I have to do what I think is correct Further, the reason I am not calling you mafia for your dumb shit with cc is because I don’t think it makes you mafia. If you are town and you really think I am mafia for this you really have a weakness with things not going your way. Just like koshi. | ||
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Either way I think it will become evident over time one way or another which I have said last game and this game. The waffle with cc. Is a good technical point, that could be town trying to figure shit out waffle. | ||
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On June 13 2023 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: there is no dumb shit regarding cc. if you think there is please rehash your points and make them more clear because i cant see it. Fine. | ||
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1.) tunnel forms straight away from this+ Show Spoiler + On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote: What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? This is very scummy because: a.) townies usually take some time to orient themselves in the game and form strong opinions and her progression on me does not reflect natural doubt, suspicion and time to process information. and; b.) Her read on me does not change with additional information despite asking a lot of questions, they do not lead anywhere or cause her to consider anything except to call me a liar and or mafia and or terrible. She is acting in a way that attempts to demonstrate information gathering but does not actually do anything with the information. 2.) she didn't form opinions and actively avoided sharing her reads when directly asked, BEFORE SHE WAS UNDER PRESSURE On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote: I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? On June 09 2023 15:35 DarthPunk wrote: Why don't you answer my question, and then I will answer this one. On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. She avoided explaining her town read on rayn On June 09 2023 17:21 DarthPunk wrote: Cop cake what do you think Rayne alignment is? On June 09 2023 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: But there is still the question why am i town? She lied about when her focus on me started Claiming: On June 10 2023 18:29 CopCake wrote: My focus on DP went how fast he jumped on me with the “ooofff” comment. except the focus on me started before this, this was in fact reaction to a post quoting me after she had started tunneling immediately. 3.) Almost all of her filter is about me or talking about me, she did not do any scum hunting, she did not have any other mafia reads not in relation to me. This is not how town tunnel. TTT and I tunnelled marv last game, we still scumhunted and made reads in the thread. Copcake is not trying to determine who the mafia in the game are, all she does is give quick town reads for tenuous reasons. until I call her out on this and she makes this list post: On June 13 2023 08:45 CopCake wrote: Ok, this is tiresome. Top town LS Rayn DP (for mechanics) Slam MZ (after reading his filter correctly, his LS case is chef kiss but he is town, still his progression is fluid) Vivax has some reads similar as me and he called out DP when he suggested that LS fake claimed, last game there were only two blues so I doubt there would be more? I think DP just find scummy things (I mean LS looked scummy in the case MZ made if you take out the tone read) Mid tones Marv: I think rayn has been more vocal than DP so his read is ???????????? Mafia Vayoletta: I am sorry but you asked if I was able to do a poker face but your reads seem mostly… “tone”? It is the first time we play together this so I would be more wary if I was you. Chezinu: Chezinu is always a wild card, but his vote on rayn from last day was riperino, he was being nice to dmb like “I will stop the troll for you” but when she died he wasnt sad, he was like yes! Another blue! Ahahahahahha the irony. TTT: I think he is puppeterin DP. “DP, dmb is using nai on you”, I mean, this is a little of tinfoil but what if you also got that she was blue? There is that chance. You played with her and instead to see DmB in DP’s eyes you went full severe “she is scum” when generally you try to see both sides. (from last game) I also think TTT and Vayoletta team would make perfect sense, considering he didnt want to lynch her. My two cents. 4.) her activity is directly correlated to either tunnelling me or defending against me or TTT. when I unvote to give her some space on the request of vivax she suddenly stops being nearly as active as earlier. 5.) There is nothing about her play that makes her town except emotions and anger that she herself says she could fake. 6.) She tells lies and twists facts to while falsely accusing others of doing so. She is mafia, there is no question in my mind. | ||
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And I wouldn't be surprised if she called me mafia again now that rayn has. | ||
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You see I have a perk that makes me look scummy as town, and I play into that and watch as the scum throw themselves at me calling me mafia. It's a really effective way of catching mafia as the town players will often find the reasons I am town, but the mafia get caught up on stupid shit and start tunnelling me: See LS last game. | ||
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On June 13 2023 20:06 marvellosity wrote: Where have I been arrogant? I don’t get it. I don’t get what you’re saying about DMB either? I don’t get half the shit he is saying. | ||
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So yeah embarrassing but there you go. | ||
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Was there mafia on my wagon? If so who? If mafia is on my wagon = Copcake mafia. or super unlikely LS successful fake claim in desperation (confirm later if more blues claim) If not why not? Afk = Violeta/Marv Troll= chez Which active mafia would not want to lynch me? = TTT as trying to pocket me? / mz because I was defending him? Chez’s Rayn vote really meant he didn’t care. That does look bad cause I think he cared a bit more last game. (Hammer on vivax) It’s probably a combination of these. Ttt looks a bit worse than mz but mz is looking worse and worse all the time he doesn’t do stuff. Violetya looks worse than Marv right now. Copcake looks worse than le vivax who were on my wagon. Chez looking fucking bad actually. | ||
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On June 13 2023 21:18 Grackaroni wrote: Day Two Vote Count CopCake (2): Chezinu, TankTopTiger TankTopTiger (1): rayneplikoneet marvellosity (1): Vivax CopCake (0): Not Voting (7): Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, DarthPunk, Vayoletta, CopCake, LightningStrike With 2 votes, CopCake is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 14 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in Chez and Ttt on Copcake doesn’t inspire me with confidence. Did mafia expect me to death tunnel cop cake? And Copcake to death tunnel me? | ||
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On June 13 2023 21:25 DarthPunk wrote: Chez and Ttt on Copcake doesn’t inspire me with confidence. Did mafia expect me to death tunnel cop cake? And Copcake to death tunnel me? In this scenario they want me alive so Copcake and I can just shit up the thread for another day. If Copcake is town then Rayn is very very town in this spot and ttt is more likely maf. This is why Rayn is pushing TTT maf so hard. If ttt is mafia then violetta and chez look worse. If ttt is town then ??? It gets weird at that point. Back to Copcake or ls or vivax as one on my wagon and then like violetta/Marv or chez?? Doesn’t really inspire me with confidence. I guess I want to lynch chez or violetta here. | ||
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Always at the end of vote swaps kind of sheeping but not really as engaged as the rest of us. It felt like he cared less and it really bothered me at the time. Is that cause of policy shit? Back when I was a newbie one of my coaches talked about how mafia like to talk about policy, mechanics etc instead of shot that really mattered There was a post from ttt that really bothered me day one. I’ll link it below | ||
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On June 09 2023 22:03 TankTopTiger wrote: Okay DP, but dishonesty != ignorance != wilful ignorance See why I ask for clarity? Bad faith is what people say when they want to win an argument, it just means all the bad things IMO instead of anything specific. This was annoying especially if he had cc as red at the time it just muddied the waters Actually he argues about a lot of stupid shit or like theory or other stufff that doesn’t really matter Last game he had mor focus on mafia. The problem is this could come from the game being messy (it is) and the mafia being less obvious (they are) But it’s also correlated with mafia play. | ||
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