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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
June 15 2023 00:42 GMT
#2141
All these opened envelopesI deliver. I may have added some <3's to them.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 15 2023 00:42 GMT
#2142
On June 15 2023 09:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:38 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:26 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:23 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn.

Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.

If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?

you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia.
I dont gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/


You literally just offered to work together to find the third mafia.

and?


Im trying to do that and you say this:

On June 15 2023 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:23 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn.

Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.

If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?

you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia.
I don't gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/


What gives? I have actually tried to extend and invitation to talk things out before the lynch yesterday, and you just didn't seem to care that much. I openly stated I was willing to lynch TTT ( I even was going to swap before IRL shit got in the way)

you know what my problem with you is. itäs that you say that you are gonna do something and you dont, instead you do the opposite. you say you WOULD change your vote, you didn't, i dont give a shit for why, but you didnt. last game i explicitely told you -- and everyone -- to vote for LS after VE flip, you couldnt, you killed marv. you and only you, no matter what you say.

I dont downgrade you here for that, it's fucking nice you got town!marv lynched as town (lol), as ironic it is it is still an achievement. But bad.

Until you get your head out of bad, i might rather talk to my 100% town reds.


I literally lynched LS before marv last game. So what are you talking about.

yeah but first you wasted 3/4 of the day on marv.


It was definitely not a waste. you have to go through that cause marv could have been mafia in that spot, what's the point of just voting LS and not getting any more information out of marv in that instance?

i think we just see the game differently...
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 15 2023 00:43 GMT
#2143
On June 15 2023 09:42 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I would like to be the lynch tomorrow. Town should have one more mislynch before lylo and nothing brings me more joy than watching rayn/other people who think they're great town players be wrong.

Especially when they're jackasses about it

can you tell me how i have been "jackass" about anything in this game?
Genuinely, i dont care what your read on me is or what my read on you is.

I'm just stoked for my flip. If you can't read your own filter and see where you've been an ass repeatedly to DP literally on this very page then I can't help you lol.


He might just be mafia, not necessarily an ass. Mafia rayn needs to wrest some thread control back form Town!DP in this spot.

you shouldnt buy influence from mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
June 15 2023 00:44 GMT
#2144
On June 15 2023 09:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 09:41 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:38 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:26 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:23 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn.

Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.

If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?

you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia.
I dont gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/


You literally just offered to work together to find the third mafia.

and?


Im trying to do that and you say this:

On June 15 2023 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:23 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn.

Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.

If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?

you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia.
I don't gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/


What gives? I have actually tried to extend and invitation to talk things out before the lynch yesterday, and you just didn't seem to care that much. I openly stated I was willing to lynch TTT ( I even was going to swap before IRL shit got in the way)

you know what my problem with you is. itäs that you say that you are gonna do something and you dont, instead you do the opposite. you say you WOULD change your vote, you didn't, i dont give a shit for why, but you didnt. last game i explicitely told you -- and everyone -- to vote for LS after VE flip, you couldnt, you killed marv. you and only you, no matter what you say.

I dont downgrade you here for that, it's fucking nice you got town!marv lynched as town (lol), as ironic it is it is still an achievement. But bad.

Until you get your head out of bad, i might rather talk to my 100% town reds.


I literally lynched LS before marv last game. So what are you talking about.

yeah but first you wasted 3/4 of the day on marv.


It was definitely not a waste. you have to go through that cause marv could have been mafia in that spot, what's the point of just voting LS and not getting any more information out of marv in that instance?

i think we just see the game differently...

DP has this weird view of distort brown marydom. He says it's not about survival.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
June 15 2023 00:44 GMT
#2145
On June 15 2023 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 09:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I would like to be the lynch tomorrow. Town should have one more mislynch before lylo and nothing brings me more joy than watching rayn/other people who think they're great town players be wrong.

Especially when they're jackasses about it

can you tell me how i have been "jackass" about anything in this game?
Genuinely, i dont care what your read on me is or what my read on you is.

I'm just stoked for my flip. If you can't read your own filter and see where you've been an ass repeatedly to DP literally on this very page then I can't help you lol.


He might just be mafia, not necessarily an ass. Mafia rayn needs to wrest some thread control back form Town!DP in this spot.

you shouldnt buy influence from mafia.


Can you clearly spell out how you are so confident here?

Because it just comes across as false bravado.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 15 2023 00:45 GMT
#2146
On June 15 2023 09:44 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 09:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:41 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:38 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:26 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[quote]
you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia.
I dont gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/


You literally just offered to work together to find the third mafia.

and?


Im trying to do that and you say this:

On June 15 2023 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:23 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn.

Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.

If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?

you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia.
I don't gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/


What gives? I have actually tried to extend and invitation to talk things out before the lynch yesterday, and you just didn't seem to care that much. I openly stated I was willing to lynch TTT ( I even was going to swap before IRL shit got in the way)

you know what my problem with you is. itäs that you say that you are gonna do something and you dont, instead you do the opposite. you say you WOULD change your vote, you didn't, i dont give a shit for why, but you didnt. last game i explicitely told you -- and everyone -- to vote for LS after VE flip, you couldnt, you killed marv. you and only you, no matter what you say.

I dont downgrade you here for that, it's fucking nice you got town!marv lynched as town (lol), as ironic it is it is still an achievement. But bad.

Until you get your head out of bad, i might rather talk to my 100% town reds.


I literally lynched LS before marv last game. So what are you talking about.

yeah but first you wasted 3/4 of the day on marv.


It was definitely not a waste. you have to go through that cause marv could have been mafia in that spot, what's the point of just voting LS and not getting any more information out of marv in that instance?

i think we just see the game differently...

DP has this weird view of distort brown marydom. He says it's not about survival.

Chezinu if you aretown. I know you are scumreading TTT. Read MZ, it's unreal. A good read, might spill some goodwine on! :D
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 15 2023 00:47 GMT
#2147
On June 15 2023 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I would like to be the lynch tomorrow. Town should have one more mislynch before lylo and nothing brings me more joy than watching rayn/other people who think they're great town players be wrong.

Especially when they're jackasses about it

can you tell me how i have been "jackass" about anything in this game?
Genuinely, i dont care what your read on me is or what my read on you is.

I'm just stoked for my flip. If you can't read your own filter and see where you've been an ass repeatedly to DP literally on this very page then I can't help you lol.


He might just be mafia, not necessarily an ass. Mafia rayn needs to wrest some thread control back form Town!DP in this spot.

you shouldnt buy influence from mafia.


Can you clearly spell out how you are so confident here?

Because it just comes across as false bravado.

good for you, have at it.
table for two on a tv tray
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
June 15 2023 00:48 GMT
#2148
On June 15 2023 09:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 09:41 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:38 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:26 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:23 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn.

Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.

If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?

you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia.
I dont gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/


You literally just offered to work together to find the third mafia.

and?


Im trying to do that and you say this:

On June 15 2023 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:23 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn.

Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now.

If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment?

you have them as lynch candidates, which we have seen means nothing, i have them as mafia.
I don't gain anything talking to you atm. TTT + MZ mafia always, you will probably shit that up, i am trying to figure out Chez atm so idgaf what you are saying atm. sorry. :/


What gives? I have actually tried to extend and invitation to talk things out before the lynch yesterday, and you just didn't seem to care that much. I openly stated I was willing to lynch TTT ( I even was going to swap before IRL shit got in the way)

you know what my problem with you is. itäs that you say that you are gonna do something and you dont, instead you do the opposite. you say you WOULD change your vote, you didn't, i dont give a shit for why, but you didnt. last game i explicitely told you -- and everyone -- to vote for LS after VE flip, you couldnt, you killed marv. you and only you, no matter what you say.

I dont downgrade you here for that, it's fucking nice you got town!marv lynched as town (lol), as ironic it is it is still an achievement. But bad.

Until you get your head out of bad, i might rather talk to my 100% town reds.


I literally lynched LS before marv last game. So what are you talking about.

yeah but first you wasted 3/4 of the day on marv.


It was definitely not a waste. you have to go through that cause marv could have been mafia in that spot, what's the point of just voting LS and not getting any more information out of marv in that instance?

i think we just see the game differently...


Absolutely, I thrive in chaos as both alignments, why do you think I have a proclivity for last minute wagon changes? mafia react slower than town, they can't keep their stories straight, they are less engaged with the thread and react poorly and in a manner that does not make sense.

Town become more clearly town prior to a lynch.

I love to be accused early because it gives me lots of info to work with.

Definitely a different approach.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 15 2023 00:48 GMT
#2149
you didnt change.
table for two on a tv tray
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
June 15 2023 00:49 GMT
#2150
On June 15 2023 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I would like to be the lynch tomorrow. Town should have one more mislynch before lylo and nothing brings me more joy than watching rayn/other people who think they're great town players be wrong.

Especially when they're jackasses about it

can you tell me how i have been "jackass" about anything in this game?
Genuinely, i dont care what your read on me is or what my read on you is.

I'm just stoked for my flip. If you can't read your own filter and see where you've been an ass repeatedly to DP literally on this very page then I can't help you lol.


He might just be mafia, not necessarily an ass. Mafia rayn needs to wrest some thread control back form Town!DP in this spot.

you shouldnt buy influence from mafia.


Can you clearly spell out how you are so confident here?

Because it just comes across as false bravado.

good for you, have at it.


I'm asking you to explain why MZ is clearly mafia, so that If you are town and I am alive tomorrow and you are dead I can lynch him for you.

And if we are both alive I can lynch him for you.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
June 15 2023 00:49 GMT
#2151
On June 15 2023 09:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you didnt change.


What do you mean?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 15 2023 00:52 GMT
#2152
On June 15 2023 09:37 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 09:35 CopCake wrote:
Problem is, if rayn was mafia, why try to win enemies now?

And he DID tried to save Vayo


Does he not do that as mafia? Flame people I mean? haven't seen his scum play in a while, but i read sf his last scum game and he definitely was getting into it with people in that game.



Yeah, I was scum with him and rels and we got found out pretty fast. (I think that was the last)

If Rayn was mafia he would be in a more comfortable position rn. He is townreaded.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 15 2023 00:53 GMT
#2153
Or was townreaded
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 15 2023 00:54 GMT
#2154
On June 15 2023 09:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 09:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you didnt change.


What do you mean?

you didnt change vote
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 15 2023 00:55 GMT
#2155
On June 15 2023 09:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I would like to be the lynch tomorrow. Town should have one more mislynch before lylo and nothing brings me more joy than watching rayn/other people who think they're great town players be wrong.

Especially when they're jackasses about it

can you tell me how i have been "jackass" about anything in this game?
Genuinely, i dont care what your read on me is or what my read on you is.

I'm just stoked for my flip. If you can't read your own filter and see where you've been an ass repeatedly to DP literally on this very page then I can't help you lol.


He might just be mafia, not necessarily an ass. Mafia rayn needs to wrest some thread control back form Town!DP in this spot.

you shouldnt buy influence from mafia.


Can you clearly spell out how you are so confident here?

Because it just comes across as false bravado.

good for you, have at it.


I'm asking you to explain why MZ is clearly mafia, so that If you are town and I am alive tomorrow and you are dead I can lynch him for you.

And if we are both alive I can lynch him for you.

On June 15 2023 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
MZ's change of heart is especially very unnatural, there should be absolutely nothing for him why TTT read changes from D2 scum to N2 town.

table for two on a tv tray
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
June 15 2023 00:59 GMT
#2156
On June 15 2023 09:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 09:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you didnt change.


What do you mean?

you didnt change vote


Yeah, I was going to though, perils of posting from work.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6789 Posts
June 15 2023 00:59 GMT
#2157
On June 15 2023 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 09:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I would like to be the lynch tomorrow. Town should have one more mislynch before lylo and nothing brings me more joy than watching rayn/other people who think they're great town players be wrong.

Especially when they're jackasses about it

can you tell me how i have been "jackass" about anything in this game?
Genuinely, i dont care what your read on me is or what my read on you is.

I'm just stoked for my flip. If you can't read your own filter and see where you've been an ass repeatedly to DP literally on this very page then I can't help you lol.


He might just be mafia, not necessarily an ass. Mafia rayn needs to wrest some thread control back form Town!DP in this spot.

you shouldnt buy influence from mafia.


Can you clearly spell out how you are so confident here?

Because it just comes across as false bravado.

good for you, have at it.


I'm asking you to explain why MZ is clearly mafia, so that If you are town and I am alive tomorrow and you are dead I can lynch him for you.

And if we are both alive I can lynch him for you.

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
MZ's change of heart is especially very unnatural, there should be absolutely nothing for him why TTT read changes from D2 scum to N2 town.


Oh yes lol, my change of heart after having my biggest scum read flip town and a desire to reexamine how I've been reading the game. Pardon me for trying to keep an open mind.

Let's all assume that I die tomorrow and I flip town. How is that going to change your read of the game.

I know you're going to say "I'm not doing that, you're flipping red." That's your loss as I'm trying to save you some time. But for everyone else, y'all should reread the game as if I've flipped town. You'll have a whole two days head start on rayn.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
June 15 2023 00:59 GMT
#2158
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
June 15 2023 01:01 GMT
#2159
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lol, clueless in The Prism!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 15 2023 01:04 GMT
#2160
On June 15 2023 09:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On June 15 2023 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 15 2023 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I would like to be the lynch tomorrow. Town should have one more mislynch before lylo and nothing brings me more joy than watching rayn/other people who think they're great town players be wrong.

Especially when they're jackasses about it

can you tell me how i have been "jackass" about anything in this game?
Genuinely, i dont care what your read on me is or what my read on you is.

I'm just stoked for my flip. If you can't read your own filter and see where you've been an ass repeatedly to DP literally on this very page then I can't help you lol.


He might just be mafia, not necessarily an ass. Mafia rayn needs to wrest some thread control back form Town!DP in this spot.

you shouldnt buy influence from mafia.


Can you clearly spell out how you are so confident here?

Because it just comes across as false bravado.

good for you, have at it.


I'm asking you to explain why MZ is clearly mafia, so that If you are town and I am alive tomorrow and you are dead I can lynch him for you.

And if we are both alive I can lynch him for you.

On June 15 2023 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
MZ's change of heart is especially very unnatural, there should be absolutely nothing for him why TTT read changes from D2 scum to N2 town.


Oh yes lol, my change of heart after having my biggest scum read flip town and a desire to reexamine how I've been reading the game. Pardon me for trying to keep an open mind.

Let's all assume that I die tomorrow and I flip town. How is that going to change your read of the game.

I know you're going to say "I'm not doing that, you're flipping red." That's your loss as I'm trying to save you some time. But for everyone else, y'all should reread the game as if I've flipped town. You'll have a whole two days head start on rayn.

It's not open mind. I am not as good in english as marv or hapa is, but yeah.

It's not fucking "open mind". You literally agreed with parts of my case on TTT, then voted for Vayo (which i dont blame you for), then said you should not consider TTT mafia.

Why is TTT not mafia?
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