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Okay, thanks. That clears it right up.
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But where is DP? Should be morning there right?
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Off-topic, are you living in (or used to live in) Perth DP? Or was it Mocsta, i think one of you was.
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Did VE just get troll checked?
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On May 27 2023 10:20 Chezinu wrote:
Did VE just get troll checked?
probably, by his teammate :D
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On May 27 2023 09:43 TankTopTiger wrote:
I don't think redDP hammers the vote D1 if redVE led it.
When MB talked about the host assigning roles, people told them it was RNG. But Marv said it would be unsportsmanlike to make MB red.
I work under the assumption that they use RNG, but then probably veto particularly unbalanced results. Is that a fair assessment?
No that’s not what I said - what I said was DMB’s ignorance of the game mechanics makes her town, unless she is playing really dirty with that. Which I hope is not the case.
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On May 27 2023 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2023 09:43 TankTopTiger wrote:
I don't think redDP hammers the vote D1 if redVE led it.
Why not? Knowing Meapak is town why does it matter if they are on the same wagon or not, they are equally "wrong" anyways.
Agree
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VE / LS / Onegu, thoughts?
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On May 27 2023 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Off-topic, are you living in (or used to live in) Perth DP? Or was it Mocsta, i think one of you was.
I’m reading the thread but I am working on my house with my dad so I’m not that available until later.
I live in Tasmania.
Something im thinking about is the resistance to a ls lynch. Like if he was town he should seriously be a good mislynch candidate right. But I have been calling him out for 2 days and there is very little traction.
Ve wagon is weird because he actually looked better since day one and his frustration with you felt genuine and his reads when they make sense make sense for the same reasons I have. But they don’t all make sense
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PS I think VE’s reaction to that is probs mafia pissed off that DMB is “confirmed” town through all the mechanics talk. Look how angry he is about it.
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Onegu votes for teammate who cares he looks "good" for voting for mafia possibly later on, vote doesnt matter shit.
VE doesn't give a shit about the vote when he normally gets immediately irritated about anything that goes against his world view.
LS looks worse than DP.
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On May 27 2023 10:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv,
VE / LS / Onegu, thoughts?
I mean sure why not. Although I expected Onegu, if mafia, to be here making more randomly aggressive posts?
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Plus I am not over DP saying he has “too many townreads”
Still struggling with that one… at that point I had precisely 2 (rayn/Koshi)
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On May 27 2023 10:29 marvellosity wrote:I mean sure why not. Although I expected Onegu, if mafia, to be here making more randomly aggressive posts?
Historically he does that closer to deadline, or when things matter, which is again closer to deadline.
Or straight out AFK as either alignment.
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On May 23 2023 20:15 DarthPunk wrote:
Ok die meat baby is a hard town read at this point fwiw.
Hard townread on Mb at 5he point that Koshi was going the other way…
Townread on TtT for thread entrance, contrary to you and me rayn
“Too many townreads”
Having too many townreads is a mafia with perfect information.
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On May 27 2023 10:31 marvellosity wrote:
Plus I am not over DP saying he has “too many townreads”
Still struggling with that one… at that point I had precisely 2 (rayn/Koshi)
look at my vote analysis on day one, then one of my two maf reads flipped town. I was really struggling to figure out who was mad at that point.
At this point I’m thinking ls- onegu - and ?? Maybe ve but I don’t want it to be him cause then he has thoroughly bamboozled me.
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On May 27 2023 10:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 20:15 DarthPunk wrote:
Ok die meat baby is a hard town read at this point fwiw. Hard townread on Mb at 5he point that Koshi was going the other way… Townread on TtT for thread entrance, contrary to you and me rayn “Too many townreads” Having too many townreads is a mafia with perfect information.
I speak from experience - I’ve fallen into this trap as mafia. Srsly, how do you have too many townreads in this game?
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On May 26 2023 11:11 DarthPunk wrote:So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time. Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote:On May 25 2023 06:08 marvellosity wrote:
Onegu, less blabla, more desperately trying to make yourself useful - I thank you Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started. Maybe this is helpful ##Vote: Marvellosity I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this . I mean like shiiiittt... Yeah this is bad. lol. Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way. Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way. Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal? Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way. Hmph.... I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way. Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf????? I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null" Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one: On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote:
And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest. Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast" Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you. Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 08:56 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot. I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point. Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax. Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious? Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious? Just putting it out there. I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please. Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 09:06 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious? Just putting it out there. I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please. Ok let me rephrase. Tell me (why) you won’t lynch vivax Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked. Why bad? Genuinely curious. youre voting wrong In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong? Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked. Why bad? Genuinely curious. youre voting wrong In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong? because things may and will change in hours between the posts. OK, that is fine. But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are? I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why. This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia. Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some. Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know. Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn? VE posts this interpretation Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know. Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn? Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax. Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it. Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Or he's mafia and knows it's a mislynch. Take your pick DP. I don't think he is mafia. I also am not convinced MZ is town, I'm just trying to understand the thought processes going on. I am really open to either. I just want some fucking clarity and engagement on the topic. Which I was not provided. Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Meapak_Ziphh (5) marvellosity, Koshi, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Alakaslam
Vivax (5): die_meatbaby, VisceraEyes, die_meatbaby, DarthPunk, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (1): Onegu
die_meatbaby (0): Koshi, Vivax, Darthpunk, raynpelikoneet, Onegu
Marvellosity (0): Koshi, Onegu
Onegu (0): VisceraEyes, die_meatbaby
Chezinu (0): Alakaslam, Vivax
Not Voting (2): [UoN]Sentinel, Chezinu
Don't know what to make of this. Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread. I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to: 1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming 2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so. 3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome.
I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1?
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On May 27 2023 10:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 20:15 DarthPunk wrote:
Ok die meat baby is a hard town read at this point fwiw. Hard townread on Mb at 5he point that Koshi was going the other way… Townread on TtT for thread entrance, contrary to you and me rayn “Too many townreads” Having too many townreads is a mafia with perfect information.
Or it could be that the maf are good at appearing town and I was lost at that time.
I don’t blame you for thinking this but it’s just not right.
Anyway gotta get back to work
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On May 27 2023 10:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 11:11 DarthPunk wrote:So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time. On May 25 2023 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote:On May 25 2023 06:08 marvellosity wrote:
Onegu, less blabla, more desperately trying to make yourself useful - I thank you Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started. Maybe this is helpful ##Vote: Marvellosity I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this . I mean like shiiiittt... Yeah this is bad. lol. On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way. On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way. Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal? On May 25 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way. Hmph.... I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D On May 25 2023 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way. Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf????? I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null" Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one: On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote:
And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest. Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast" Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you. On May 25 2023 08:56 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.
I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot. I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point. Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax. On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious? On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious? Just putting it out there. I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please. On May 25 2023 09:06 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious? Just putting it out there. I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please. Ok let me rephrase. Tell me (why) you won’t lynch vivax On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked. Why bad? Genuinely curious. youre voting wrong In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong? On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked. Why bad? Genuinely curious. youre voting wrong In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong? because things may and will change in hours between the posts. OK, that is fine. But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are? I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why. This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia. Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some. On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know. Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn? VE posts this interpretation On May 25 2023 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know. Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn? Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax. Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it. On May 25 2023 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Or he's mafia and knows it's a mislynch. Take your pick DP. I don't think he is mafia. I also am not convinced MZ is town, I'm just trying to understand the thought processes going on. I am really open to either. I just want some fucking clarity and engagement on the topic. Which I was not provided. On May 25 2023 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Meapak_Ziphh (5) marvellosity, Koshi, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Alakaslam
Vivax (5): die_meatbaby, VisceraEyes, die_meatbaby, DarthPunk, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (1): Onegu
die_meatbaby (0): Koshi, Vivax, Darthpunk, raynpelikoneet, Onegu
Marvellosity (0): Koshi, Onegu
Onegu (0): VisceraEyes, die_meatbaby
Chezinu (0): Alakaslam, Vivax
Not Voting (2): [UoN]Sentinel, Chezinu
Don't know what to make of this. Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread. I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to: 1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming 2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so. 3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome. I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1?
Like sure. But these are the questions.
1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way
2. Why did he townread TTT when neither of us felt that way
3. How did he at all have too many townreads during N1 I think it was when I had 2
It stinks to me
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