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TankTopTiger
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If Marv flips town lynch me. You do realise that this is an auto-lose for me if I'm scum right? There is only one scum, if it's me and I trade with Marv, Town wins. If you're right and I'm some >9000IQ smurf player or whatever, you will win. If Marv is mafia, you will win. There are no tricks here. Lynch us both please. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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If Marv flips green just fucking lynch me. Quote this post. A town TTT under no circumstance lives if Marv is mislynched. Just vote me no questions asked. It will be really hard for me to talk you out of that shit if you post this quote at me. The thing is, this whole day Marv just been spam posting and blatantly rewriting history trying to bury his Ls (and luckily for us, generating new ones). He knows that you guys aren't paying attention. Like... right now... He literally just lied about his day 3 vote (see post #2942 & #2945) and he expects you to not pick up on it. Read it please. He lied bigly. This is a killshot and you're not even listening. | ||
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@Ches @slam @DMB I need you guys to figure out whether you're ignoring me because you think I'm scum, or because you think I'm incompetent. Because it feels like you believe both at once somehow in your quest to lose this game. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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On January 17 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote: can you even *imagine* what my filter *should* look like in a game this size? not getting lynched when everyone realises you're mafia is quite the achievement, i'd say :p There's no such thing as "stylistically" calling certain townies mafia. That's just incorrect play, nothing more, nothing less. And he wasn't the only one. edit: like town needs to cut through what's important and what's not. calling obvious townies and likely townies mafia is what lets mafia hide! Damdred and I were playing below our towngames, and noticeably so, and that's what was *actually* important, but it was beautifully drowned out (from scum PoV) from all the crackpot nonsense going on around us, hiding us in amongst the bs. Marv is playing "below his towngame". He hasn't done anything useful, he led a lynch on town early, he's been caught in lies, he gave up earlier on, he's had a scum completely refuse to vote him to save themselves. In Marvs own words, this is what he looks like when he's scum. But you guys don't care because you're entertaining conspiratorial notions that actually I'm some sort of smurf (even though this is verifiable by DP who invited me to this game). Crackpot nonsense. According to Marv, this is the sort of bs he hides in when he's scum in order to survive. @DP, can you please verify that my initial post regarding my level of experience is correct so we can put that to rest? | ||
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As a final (4 part) Manifesto, I want to return to this: On May 31 2023 21:40 marvellosity wrote: You’re the one that’s trying to rewrite history about my LS vote, I’ve been really straight forward with it. Mostly because it was amazingly uncomplicated. The only complicated thing was untunnelling from DP for long enough to actually make the vote. The case was uncomplicated but Marv couldn't recall why he voted. It was uncomplicated but Marv claimed part of the reason he voted LS was because of LS's vote on Marv. LS did not vote Marv. So this "uncomplicated" case is something Marv apparently can't remember and still doesn't understand. I made the case on LS. This case? It's literally the strongest case I've ever made in forum mafia: | ||
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TankTopTiger
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On May 30 2023 12:04 TankTopTiger wrote: @LightningStrike Waaay too early in the game, you gave Marv a town read for not folding to DP's D1 pressure. You are aware of Marv's "fold as scum" meta. But right now, Marv has folded, and your vote is on DP. Explain. On May 30 2023 12:18 TankTopTiger wrote: This looks extremely sus to me. I haven't been paying attention to your and DP's conversation, so this might have already been covered, but if you can't or haven't explained this then you are the deepest red possible for me. I cannot envision a world in which you are aware of his meta, base your reads on him on that meta, then don't change your mind when you see him fold. On May 30 2023 12:52 TankTopTiger wrote: Marv rolls over as scum. Marv rolls over as scum. Oh gee, Marv rolled over. On May 30 2023 13:30 TankTopTiger wrote: But here's the clincher LS, you already admitted this is not your read. Not once but twice since day 1 you have said you were willing to consider Marv as scum. If your read was "if Marv folds D1 scum, else: town". Why would you twice say you would be willing to consider Marv as mafia after D1. Furthermore, why would you only say this up until the point he folds, then refuse to vote for him? | ||
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TankTopTiger
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...and Marv says he voted without even considering any of it. DP, you are literally the only one paying any attention. I was right about MZ, I was right about VE, I was right about LS, I am right to confirm you town. I have a demonstrable handle on this game but Marv is trying to paint me as over-tunneled after literally catching mafia every day I've been in the game. + Show Spoiler + Maybe it's wishful thinking but what I suspect is that right now you're trying to avoid NK by not acting too suspicious of Marv, so I kinda expect you're writing something up similar to me to dump before the NK hits (just in case). I'm not sure if it'll work, because I think Marv has played so loosely you can't not suspect him and he knows it, but you did lead the lynch off of him and onto LS, so that's certainly in your favour. + Show Spoiler + I'm burying this post within a fourth so Marv can't have time to adjust NK to this. This is more like the concluding post, but the fourth on VE is still relevant and good information. If I'm NKed, I want it to be really clear once I'm dead that your townliness is unquestionable. + Show Spoiler + Unfortunately, if you're NKed instead of me, I'm done. To me, the game was solved two days ago, and nobody but you will listen. This game was super interesting, and I've learned an enormous amount, but I feel I lack the influence to actually impact the game. Marv is too good at manipulating the herd. So if I'm alone with sheep town against Marv, I'll vote myself in the hopes that after I'm dead, having a track record of being right about literally everything all game, sheep town will realise that I'm not red and I'm not stupid and will vote for Marv at lylo. | ||
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I also pushed Town to lynch VE which Marv lied about doing. LOOK AT THE VOTE. On May 28 2023 11:08 Grackaroni wrote: Day two Vote Count VisceraEyes (7): die_meatbaby, TankTopTiger, raynpelikoneet, Darthpunk, Marvellosity, LightningStrike (0): Onegu (1): DarthPunk (1): LightningStrike Chezinu (0): Not Voting (1) : Onegu With 7 votes, VisceraEyes has been lynched! Note where Marv's vote is on VE. Seems like he sheeped. Literally only beat the trolls and lurkers across the finishing line. But I didn't sheep, I built a case, even if Marv is pretending I didn't. On May 27 2023 09:07 TankTopTiger wrote: I think if VE is green, then red DP knew he was green when he switched, and trusted VE to make a big enough mess to get lynched for it before DP. In that scenario, DP also expected MZ to be alive (and directed vig attention at lurkers), which means that after hammering the mislynch, DP would have two days of mess before the lynchmob came for him. So to me, lynching VE also gives me a read on DP, who I know I will otherwise struggle with. Add to that that VE did blind lead a mob on a townie, has generally felt fake for a long time, seems to want to put attention on lurkers/trolls - VE is my top lynch for today by a pretty decent margin. ##: vote VisceraEyes I'm going to a lunch, I'll be back later before the lynch. I don't really see myself changing my mind on this, but hey surprises happen. This is where I start my case on VE. At this point, only DMB is parked on him, and tmk, she parked without making a case. Marv claimed he contributed, but he sheeped. He claimed I didn't contribute, but I made the first case after which town piled on. On May 27 2023 18:47 TankTopTiger wrote: At least in my eyes, it's so small though. With players like I'm pigeonholing LS as, their variance is high. So that 10% scummer move is more like a 2-10% scummer move depending on the day. But with VE, he's just blatantly led a lynch D1, while being the sort of player who would do that as scum. He's had absolutely shocking posts where he confidently asserts dumb shit. He's tried to sheep at any chance he can. He hasn't shown any curiosity at all. He's about as red as someone can be, but nEvEr MiNd GuYs he's just crazy like that. No, he's scummy. And I'm sick of pretending he's not. Unless you know something I don't about VE, I don't really see how you can ignore this flagrant shittery. This is me pushing for VE's lynch. On May 27 2023 18:50 TankTopTiger wrote: You talk about LS being clearly performative, but VE is more performative. You talk about lack of engagement, but VE has been more present while demonstrating similar engagement (he's accusing but not searching). You say LS lacks conviction but VE is just pretending to have conviction. I just don't get it. If VE weren't right in front of me I'd probably be taking your case seriously rn but it's been eclipsed. This is me pushing to lynch VE over LS. LS was mafia, who I later focused on, but at this time I was trying to get town to focus on VE. On May 28 2023 07:32 TankTopTiger wrote: I read your post DP. You missed that monstrous list he did D1, which IMO is almost enough to put someone in the gallows on its own. I agree with some of your reads on him (especially the one where he was empathetic about someone wanting to have a read on their partner, that was my interpretation too), but we see a lot of their filter differently. From what people say, VE is big balls player. IIRC Rayn or Marv cited him as having bragged that this is exactly the sort of thing he would do (brazenly lead a lynch on town D1). You call it a next-level play, and I guess it is in a way, but it's something that seems on the cards regardless. His outburst at rayn felt a little more genuine but again, over the top. Do people accuse others of gaslighting in anger frfr? Maybe I'm out of touch, but not quite convincing to me. It's also possible to be feel disrespected as mafia when trying to abuse the respect you don't receive. The sentiment is extremely relatable (Rayn and others pushing others to play the game the way they insist), but this could also be VE trying to appeal to existent townie frustrations. This is me again fighting to have VE lynched. So overall, Marv pretended he made cases on VE and LS, but can't provide them. He lied about his reasons for voting on LS in particular. He lied about my level of contribution. He's relying on a lazy town who doesn't pay attention. TOWN MARVE CONTRIBUTES BY D4 AND DOESN'T NEED TO LIE ABOUT IT Whether I'm NKed or not, I'm done with the game. I'm happy with how I played, but obviously, I've got a lot to learn about how to actually exert influence. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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But DP, you seemed to express some hesitation regarding Marv. What could you see that I couldn't? | ||
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Because the expectations surrounding Marv were really clear if he was town, and he met zero of them. I think the only way you think to express any doubt is if you had TMI. Marv and I fought for like a whole day. For me, I was pressuring who I thought was red, for him he was...? What? I don't get it and you need to explain what you saw that I didn't. | ||
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Chez, I'm not part of any other game, just TL Endures Mafia hosted by Grackaroni alone. I never opted into any game you hosted. You are in a position of great privilege because you get to determine the way I vote. If you produce the seal in response to this post (quoting this post) in this game (TL Endures Mafia hosted by Grackaroni alone; it wouldn't make sense to respond to this post in a game I am not in), then I will keep my vote on Slam. If you do not produce this response, then I am voting for you. | ||
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I don't know how to feel about that to be honest. Also dmb ninja voted Marv too. Hmmm
