TL Endures Mafia - Page 8

If Marv flips town lynch me.

On January 17 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote:
can you even *imagine* what my filter *should* look like in a game this size?

not getting lynched when everyone realises you're mafia is quite the achievement, i'd say :p

There's no such thing as "stylistically" calling certain townies mafia. That's just incorrect play, nothing more, nothing less. And he wasn't the only one.

edit: like town needs to cut through what's important and what's not. calling obvious townies and likely townies mafia is what lets mafia hide!

Damdred and I were playing below our towngames, and noticeably so, and that's what was *actually* important, but it was beautifully drowned out (from scum PoV) from all the crackpot nonsense going on around us, hiding us in amongst the bs.

On May 31 2023 21:40 marvellosity wrote:

You’re the one that’s trying to rewrite history about my LS vote, I’ve been really straight forward with it.

Mostly because it was amazingly uncomplicated. The only complicated thing was untunnelling from DP for long enough to actually make the vote.

On May 30 2023 12:04 TankTopTiger wrote:
@LightningStrike
Waaay too early in the game, you gave Marv a town read for not folding to DP's D1 pressure. You are aware of Marv's "fold as scum" meta.

But right now, Marv has folded, and your vote is on DP.

Explain.

On May 30 2023 12:16 TankTopTiger wrote:




Receipts.

On May 30 2023 12:18 TankTopTiger wrote:
This looks extremely sus to me. I haven't been paying attention to your and DP's conversation, so this might have already been covered, but if you can't or haven't explained this then you are the deepest red possible for me. I cannot envision a world in which you are aware of his meta, base your reads on him on that meta, then don't change your mind when you see him fold.

On May 30 2023 12:52 TankTopTiger wrote:


Marv rolls over as scum.



Marv rolls over as scum.



Oh gee, Marv rolled over.

On May 30 2023 13:30 TankTopTiger wrote:
But here's the clincher LS, you already admitted this is not your read.

Not once but twice since day 1 you have said you were willing to consider Marv as scum.





If your read was "if Marv folds D1 scum, else: town". Why would you twice say you would be willing to consider Marv as mafia after D1. Furthermore, why would you only say this up until the point he folds, then refuse to vote for him?

On May 28 2023 11:08 Grackaroni wrote:
Day two Vote Count

VisceraEyes (7): die_meatbaby, TankTopTiger, raynpelikoneet, Darthpunk, Marvellosity, Alakaslam, Alakaslam, Chezinu
LightningStrike (0): DarthPunk, Alakaslam, Chezinu
Onegu (1): Chezinu, Alakaslam, VisceraEyes, Chezinu
DarthPunk (1): LightningStrike
Chezinu (0): VisceraEyes

Not Voting (1) : Onegu

With 7 votes, VisceraEyes has been lynched!

On May 27 2023 09:07 TankTopTiger wrote:
I think if VE is green, then red DP knew he was green when he switched, and trusted VE to make a big enough mess to get lynched for it before DP. In that scenario, DP also expected MZ to be alive (and directed vig attention at lurkers), which means that after hammering the mislynch, DP would have two days of mess before the lynchmob came for him.

So to me, lynching VE also gives me a read on DP, who I know I will otherwise struggle with.

Add to that that VE did blind lead a mob on a townie, has generally felt fake for a long time, seems to want to put attention on lurkers/trolls - VE is my top lynch for today by a pretty decent margin.

##: vote VisceraEyes

I'm going to a lunch, I'll be back later before the lynch. I don't really see myself changing my mind on this, but hey surprises happen.

On May 27 2023 18:47 TankTopTiger wrote:
At least in my eyes, it's so small though.

With players like I'm pigeonholing LS as, their variance is high. So that 10% scummer move is more like a 2-10% scummer move depending on the day.

But with VE, he's just blatantly led a lynch D1, while being the sort of player who would do that as scum. He's had absolutely shocking posts where he confidently asserts dumb shit. He's tried to sheep at any chance he can. He hasn't shown any curiosity at all. He's about as red as someone can be, but nEvEr MiNd GuYs he's just crazy like that. No, he's scummy. And I'm sick of pretending he's not.

Unless you know something I don't about VE, I don't really see how you can ignore this flagrant shittery.

On May 27 2023 18:50 TankTopTiger wrote:
You talk about LS being clearly performative, but VE is more performative.

You talk about lack of engagement, but VE has been more present while demonstrating similar engagement (he's accusing but not searching).

You say LS lacks conviction but VE is just pretending to have conviction.

I just don't get it. If VE weren't right in front of me I'd probably be taking your case seriously rn but it's been eclipsed.

On May 28 2023 07:32 TankTopTiger wrote:
I read your post DP.

You missed that monstrous list he did D1, which IMO is almost enough to put someone in the gallows on its own.

I agree with some of your reads on him (especially the one where he was empathetic about someone wanting to have a read on their partner, that was my interpretation too), but we see a lot of their filter differently.

From what people say, VE is big balls player. IIRC Rayn or Marv cited him as having bragged that this is exactly the sort of thing he would do (brazenly lead a lynch on town D1). You call it a next-level play, and I guess it is in a way, but it's something that seems on the cards regardless.

His outburst at rayn felt a little more genuine but again, over the top. Do people accuse others of gaslighting in anger frfr? Maybe I'm out of touch, but not quite convincing to me. It's also possible to be feel disrespected as mafia when trying to abuse the respect you don't receive. The sentiment is extremely relatable (Rayn and others pushing others to play the game the way they insist), but this could also be VE trying to appeal to existent townie frustrations.