TL Endures Mafia - Page 5

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 29 2023 23:58 GMT

#2580

@DP and Marv
Does it make sense for a cop to come forward now if we have one? I want to say yes but I don't have experience in this area.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 00:39 GMT

#2582

Thanks.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 01:08 GMT

#2584

Err... Pretty sure I accounted for that?

@Town
I think this lynch is basically for the game. If somehow our next lynch is town, then it's going to be 3 town to 2 scum left, and we will have lost one of our stronger players. If the next lynch is scum, it'll be four town to one scummer, and they will have (presumably) lost their best player.

So I think this lynch is the most important one thus far. Maximum effort please.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 01:25 GMT

#2586

yesyesyes you're both very good hon'

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 02:30 GMT

#2589

Errr... If you think that then Marv is probably just going to die because he's given up.

I mean... I'm not opposed to that since he's who I'm trying to get lynched, but if you care about actually playing the game and trying to do your best to win, now is the time to do that. I want you, DMB, LightningStrike, and Chezinu, to all do your best to be informed voters for this one. It's going to decide the game.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 03:04 GMT

#2595

@LightningStrike
Waaay too early in the game, you gave Marv a town read for not folding to DP's D1 pressure. You are aware of Marv's "fold as scum" meta.

But right now, Marv has folded, and your vote is on DP.

Explain.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 03:16 GMT

#2596

On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey I was busy last night and didn't check to see if the game started and caught up now!
Marv looks town to me? I think he would of folded as mafia considering he is known for that given the pressure he was getting from DP but he continued posting his thoughts like I remembered how he was in XXX in 2015.
VE is null he hasn't posted anything since a few hours ago will wait for judgement on him.
dmb is null the stuff for why she scumreading Vivax is very odd?
Koshi is town so far he been posting like I remembered how he was when I played back then.
Rayn looks town I like the pressure on dmb from him so far and waiting for a conclusion of his pressure on her.
DP I didn't like his early posting towards Marv (Even suggesting Marv is mafia??) and then gave a hard townread on dmb?His evolution of his read on Marv does seem organic. Null for now I guess.

On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote:
And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.

Receipts.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 03:18 GMT

#2597

This looks extremely sus to me. I haven't been paying attention to your and DP's conversation, so this might have already been covered, but if you can't or haven't explained this then you are the deepest red possible for me. I cannot envision a world in which you are aware of his meta, base your reads on him on that meta, then don't change your mind when you see him fold.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 03:33 GMT

#2603

I know I said cart and horse and all that, but I feel pretty confident here. DP I agree, if either flips red the other goes down too. Lemme just go get the full quotes lined up real quick so everyone can see it real easy.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 03:52 GMT

#2605

Marv rolls over as scum.

On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote:
And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.

Marv rolls over as scum.

On May 30 2023 03:17 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and Marv gave up

I don't know how to feel about that to be honest. Also dmb ninja voted Marv too. Hmmm

Oh gee, Marv rolled over.

On May 30 2023 04:20 LightningStrike wrote:

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This appeal to emotion is just to strong for me. If he is mafia he wouldn't of appealed to me this hard over others.
## Vote: DarthPunk

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 03:53 GMT

#2606

Does the game say anything more than Marv once rolled over D1 as scum?

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 03:58 GMT

#2607

You said you were pretty sure you could read him but your read comes down to "if he folds D1 he's mafia" and "if he folds later than this he's confirmed town"?

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 04:02 GMT

#2609

Wow really? Everything else aside, that's actually insane to me. I consider that basically cheating to grief your team so hard as mafia while uber try-harding as town.

Can I get other people weighing in here because I'm not reading 5 other games.

You said you were pretty sure you could read him but your read comes down to "if he folds D1 he's mafia" and "if he folds later than this he's confirmed town"?

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 04:21 GMT

#2611

Okay but he's not try-harding. He didn't get lynched D1 because he had Koshi and Rayn handing grapes up to him as he presided over the peasants from within his palanquin. Why would he ever have folded in your mind if the two strongest, most townest players were saying "Marv is vetted" and "MZ's case on Marv is REALLY bad", both things that these skilled confirmed town players later took back.

Why would he fold under non-existent pressure, and more importantly, why would you think he would?

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 04:30 GMT

#2612

But here's the clincher LS, you already admitted this is not your read.

Not once but twice since day 1 you have said you were willing to consider Marv as scum.

On May 29 2023 10:21 LightningStrike wrote:

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If I really had to use a gun to point at my head and assume both flipping town right at this very second maybe Marv, and you? But mostly because I would have to accept my read on Marv is wrong but I am pretty sure I can read him.

On May 29 2023 10:44 LightningStrike wrote:

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I making this assumption in which you also do flip town along with Chez and Slam just for this: Team would be Marv and TTT by PoE mostly because I think Rayn is town because he didn't trappy play Day 1 like he did in XXX along with how he been posting and playing seems like normal town Rayn. dmb I don't see how she could ever be mafia with VE given what I posted about it earlier. I know my own alignment as town and by PoE it would be them in that case.

If your read was "if Marv folds D1 scum, else: town". Why would you twice say you would be willing to consider Marv as mafia after D1. Furthermore, why would you only say this up until the point he folds, then refuse to vote for him?

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 07:51 GMT

#2637

If he suicides to get the lynch, then it's not really needing two correct lynches in a row to win, as him dying is implied.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 13:26 GMT

#2661

There are many small reasons that are hard to quantify, like I said before, DP and I know each other very well, but these are the two that form the bulk of my perspective and are easy to communicate:

1) Do you remember what Rayn said about Marv on D1? How he was gently guiding everything to try and make town successful (even if this didn't turn out to be the case)? Well, DP did that without taking credit. He's the only one who knew my "meta". When both Koshi and Rayn suspected me because I see things differently, he stepped up and revealed my identity, showing them both how exactly these feelings had caused Rayn to mislynch me once before 10 years ago or w/e. If he was mafia, he could have just let town fight for all of night one and probably day two (and believe you me, I was ready to throw down with those two - I was super pissed off with their cliquing). DP fixed the issue, and freed up myself, Koshi, and Rayn to be productive town (to emphasise, that's two confirmed good town players plus me). He did this not to advance his own town claim, but to ensure town was productive. This was a huge unsung contribution that dwarfs most other actions in the game IMO.

Secondly, while I was focused almost entirely on Marv, DP was developing a case on LS, who I also have a strong red read on. While it wasn't actually anything DP said about LS that convinced me (I encountered what I consider a fatal contradiction when reading back through the filter), the fact he was there before me suggests he cottoned onto something real via his own methods.

Another big reason is I don't think it's plausible for DP and Marv to both be red, so DP's townliness is proportional to Marv's scumliness, and Marv is scummy by every metric people have provided me with via his meta on top of my own independent criteria.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 13:39 GMT

#2664

Can you quote me the post that Koshi is talking about? I couldn't find it in filter.

TBH I don't read everything in detail. When my attention snags on something that I feel isn't the way it should be, I need to follow that until I'm satisfied otherwise the sheer weight of information will overwhelm me. So if I don't have something I'm chewing on, I skim until I snag, and then I resolve and resume skimming. But this game I'm constantly snagged. I was trying to tunnel Marv but VE snagged me harder. Then more recently I was again trying to tunnel marv and I snagged on LS (although these cases are more related). This is my process, and it works well for me by prioritising my learning and engagement.

At the time, Koshi was being a super annoying bastard who wasn't allowing me to push my line of questioning. Every time I tried to question the status quo, Rayn or Koshi would put roadblocks in my way and addressing whatever you said was one such roadblock.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 13:45 GMT

#2665

If Marv is town, I still think there's a case on LS, but I'm willing to consider DP as well. I will have to take a step back and reconsider a lot. I would genuinely have no clue why DP would have done the things he's done, but I know he's a better player than me so it's always possible he's just that far ahead. I really doubt it though.

TankTopTiger

509 Posts

May 30 2023 13:51 GMT

#2669

I'm headed to bed. I've got an unclear day tomorrow.

I was expecting to go out to the country today to work, but my lift never turned up and didn't call (hence why I was present most of the day when I said I wouldn't be). This isn't surprising, but I just don't know what's going on. I assume I'll be going tomorrow but don't know for certain.

Gnight.

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