EPTTL Endures Mafia - Page 4
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TankTopTiger
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TankTopTiger
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Rayn do you? | ||
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TankTopTiger
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If the case on you was obvious, then it was only obvious because you deserved a case on you? How does this make sense? | ||
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But Rayn, who holds you in very high esteem, told me with great clarity that the thing that makes you an exceptional town player is your ability to keep your head on straight. You make decisions that will keep town on the right path, keep them from getting distracted. It was basically a promise that if Marv is town, everyone will know it because he's some legendary and meticulous war general who will save the day starting day 2. But you led a lynch on town, then didn't do anything of note day 2, and have fallen apart the moment Koshi and Rayn stop playing henchmen for you (you're literally throwing hands at me and DP while simultaneously demanding civility). Your "hunting" has been OMGUSing MZ, OMGUSING me, OMGUSING DP, and lightly OMGUSING Rayn for questioning you. You are not the prince who was promised. You are not confirmed town Marv. You're the other thing. | ||
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I came in and went against all the pros on my read on MZ and I was right. I then took charge on taking down VE despite everyone saying he's just whacky like that, and I was right again. I said your case on MZ was weak when everyone was fighting me on it, and now suddenly people seem to be agreeing with me. You mislynched MZ with a weak case you seemed to try to distance yourself from if I hadn't pressed you for your contribution, then you waited for the two least experienced players to take charge on VE. What have you done? Keep in mind, your tantrums are only a very small part of the case on you. You were happy to be described as a cool operator when it suited you, but now it's okay for you to have a shitfit over nothing. You started this game with enormous privilege with everyone tripping over themselves to sheep and defend you. A competent town Marv does not throw that away by all accounts I've heard. A competent town Marv helps town in a meaningful way by Day3. You can be frustrated. Cool. Take a breath. I'm not here to torment you. Help me how your actions live up to even a shadow of the hype of confirmed town Marv? | ||
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TankTopTiger
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Like, we only have VE, who played knowing there was a good chance he goes down early. He leaned into getting lynched. Trying to name the entire team before we unburrow a non-throwaway mafia seems like putting the cart before the horse. What does PoE mean again? | ||
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TankTopTiger
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I'm parking a vote on Marv for all of the many reasons I've discussed at length. I simply cannot reconcile all the claims made about him carrying town with his actions. When I look at Rayn or Koshi, I got town vibes constantly. With DP, it's more complicated, because I know that he's insanely difficult to track as mafia. But for Marv, who is supposed to be the easiest town to spot, I see mostly evidence of him being mafia. Everything everyone has said about his meta indicates he should be a green read at this point if he is town but he's not even close. If you guys hold his town play in high regard like Koshi and Rayn demanded I do, then he's pretty clearly mafia at this point. ##vote: Marv | ||
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TankTopTiger
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I'm referring to talking about having a whole lineup of the scum team. You said Marv/MB/VE and LS said me/Marv/VE. To me this feels out of sequence, we should wait until we get a kill on a mafia who isn't playing around being caught before we try to dream up the entire scum team. Otherwise we're A) building cases on quicksand and B) choreographing our play so that scum knows who to fuck with. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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Kosh was mad AF and throwing fingers everywhere. Killing him creates opportunities for scum to martyr him for any one of his reads. Keep in mind, mafia could not have predicted that Koshi would vig MZ. So as a mafia on day 1, I would be thinking that "if I kill Koshi, I get rid of a good player, I get casus belli for literally anyone on vivax's wagon AND on MZ. Furthermore if I'm Marv and I'm scum, I have also created a safe pocket for myself on the train that didn't lynch the doctor. If I'm scuMarv, there is no way I NK Rayn, who is just my high-level bodyguard at this point, over Koshi who achieves everything I could ever want in an NK. | ||
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If I were to guess, I'd say you probably see day 4 and if you don't there's not much you can do about it given your limited contribution. So plan around having a solid position that can be appraised day 4, so that (assuming you're town), you give us a solid chance not to mislynch you. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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On May 29 2023 11:44 Alakaslam wrote: They were busy killing Koshi, But this is a decent point in another way. Who did Koshi sus? That could hold good info on finding the remaining scum. Because Rayn is a strong player (imo stronger than Koshi) and so is marv; why Koshi first? Unless it was a total snipe? Actually what the hell I need to read it myself. These blues dying early makes me wonder if some serious vet power is the scum. Maybe not LS after all if this yields something. Your process here (who did koshi sus?) is exactly what I predicted with my outline of why koshi died. Just sayin'. On May 29 2023 11:33 TankTopTiger wrote: Regarding Rayn being NKed night 1: Kosh was mad AF and throwing fingers everywhere. Killing him creates opportunities for scum to martyr him for any one of his reads. Keep in mind, mafia could not have predicted that Koshi would vig MZ. So as a mafia on day 1, I would be thinking that "if I kill Koshi, I get rid of a good player, I get casus belli for literally anyone on vivax's wagon AND on MZ. Furthermore if I'm Marv and I'm scum, I have also created a safe pocket for myself on the train that didn't lynch the doctor. If I'm scuMarv, there is no way I NK Rayn, who is just my high-level bodyguard at this point, over Koshi who achieves everything I could ever want in an NK. | ||
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I've got to go work, I've read the thread up until now. I will be spending tonight on the game if there is still time. Marv, I plan on putting effort into evaluating your claims. I need to verify the things people say about your tells, and how they're represented in this thread. I also need to look at your case on MZ in more detail to see whether your push on them was warranted as you say. | ||
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TankTopTiger
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I think this lynch is basically for the game. If somehow our next lynch is town, then it's going to be 3 town to 2 scum left, and we will have lost one of our stronger players. If the next lynch is scum, it'll be four town to one scummer, and they will have (presumably) lost their best player. So I think this lynch is the most important one thus far. Maximum effort please. | ||
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