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TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 28 2023 06:22 GMT
#2361
Vivax saying MZ was tunnely is not the same as you saying his case was clean or obvious.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 28 2023 06:41 GMT
#2363
So DP you don't know what he meant?

Rayn do you?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 28 2023 12:09 GMT
#2398
And the obvious part of it?

If the case on you was obvious, then it was only obvious because you deserved a case on you? How does this make sense?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 28 2023 12:30 GMT
#2399
Why did redVE throw suspicion on Marv early on then leave it in the dust when he rightfully knew there was no way Marv was being lynched D1? He basically doesn't mention marv the rest of the game.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 28 2023 13:08 GMT
#2403
To me it seems like you're going outrage route on your way out.

But Rayn, who holds you in very high esteem, told me with great clarity that the thing that makes you an exceptional town player is your ability to keep your head on straight. You make decisions that will keep town on the right path, keep them from getting distracted. It was basically a promise that if Marv is town, everyone will know it because he's some legendary and meticulous war general who will save the day starting day 2.

But you led a lynch on town, then didn't do anything of note day 2, and have fallen apart the moment Koshi and Rayn stop playing henchmen for you (you're literally throwing hands at me and DP while simultaneously demanding civility).

Your "hunting" has been OMGUSing MZ, OMGUSING me, OMGUSING DP, and lightly OMGUSING Rayn for questioning you.

You are not the prince who was promised. You are not confirmed town Marv. You're the other thing.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 28 2023 13:09 GMT
#2404
Like... You keep appealing to crowds as if they can't be wrong, but when confronted with a group of people pointing the finger at you, actually crowds can be wrong.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 28 2023 13:47 GMT
#2406
Okay you're calling me bad but I don't think you have grounds to do that.

I came in and went against all the pros on my read on MZ and I was right. I then took charge on taking down VE despite everyone saying he's just whacky like that, and I was right again. I said your case on MZ was weak when everyone was fighting me on it, and now suddenly people seem to be agreeing with me.

You mislynched MZ with a weak case you seemed to try to distance yourself from if I hadn't pressed you for your contribution, then you waited for the two least experienced players to take charge on VE.

What have you done? Keep in mind, your tantrums are only a very small part of the case on you. You were happy to be described as a cool operator when it suited you, but now it's okay for you to have a shitfit over nothing. You started this game with enormous privilege with everyone tripping over themselves to sheep and defend you. A competent town Marv does not throw that away by all accounts I've heard. A competent town Marv helps town in a meaningful way by Day3.

You can be frustrated. Cool. Take a breath. I'm not here to torment you. Help me how your actions live up to even a shadow of the hype of confirmed town Marv?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 29 2023 02:04 GMT
#2460
Am i wrong in thinking that connecto-cases this early tend to be bad?

Like, we only have VE, who played knowing there was a good chance he goes down early. He leaned into getting lynched. Trying to name the entire team before we unburrow a non-throwaway mafia seems like putting the cart before the horse.

What does PoE mean again?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 29 2023 02:19 GMT
#2474
Well played Rayn. Thanks for the dump.

I'm parking a vote on Marv for all of the many reasons I've discussed at length. I simply cannot reconcile all the claims made about him carrying town with his actions. When I look at Rayn or Koshi, I got town vibes constantly. With DP, it's more complicated, because I know that he's insanely difficult to track as mafia. But for Marv, who is supposed to be the easiest town to spot, I see mostly evidence of him being mafia. Everything everyone has said about his meta indicates he should be a green read at this point if he is town but he's not even close. If you guys hold his town play in high regard like Koshi and Rayn demanded I do, then he's pretty clearly mafia at this point.

##vote: Marv
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 29 2023 02:25 GMT
#2479
On May 29 2023 11:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2023 11:04 TankTopTiger wrote:
Am i wrong in thinking that connecto-cases this early tend to be bad?

Like, we only have VE, who played knowing there was a good chance he goes down early. He leaned into getting lynched. Trying to name the entire team before we unburrow a non-throwaway mafia seems like putting the cart before the horse.

What does PoE mean again?


What are you referring to hear?


I'm referring to talking about having a whole lineup of the scum team. You said Marv/MB/VE and LS said me/Marv/VE. To me this feels out of sequence, we should wait until we get a kill on a mafia who isn't playing around being caught before we try to dream up the entire scum team. Otherwise we're A) building cases on quicksand and B) choreographing our play so that scum knows who to fuck with.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 29 2023 02:33 GMT
#2486
Regarding Rayn being NKed night 1:
Kosh was mad AF and throwing fingers everywhere. Killing him creates opportunities for scum to martyr him for any one of his reads. Keep in mind, mafia could not have predicted that Koshi would vig MZ.

So as a mafia on day 1, I would be thinking that "if I kill Koshi, I get rid of a good player, I get casus belli for literally anyone on vivax's wagon AND on MZ. Furthermore if I'm Marv and I'm scum, I have also created a safe pocket for myself on the train that didn't lynch the doctor.

If I'm scuMarv, there is no way I NK Rayn, who is just my high-level bodyguard at this point, over Koshi who achieves everything I could ever want in an NK.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 29 2023 02:35 GMT
#2488
LS you've had real life stuff, but that doesn't mean you have done stuff in this game. From the reader's perspective you are just a non-contributing player one way or another. You can't win on that front so don't bother arguing it.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 29 2023 02:44 GMT
#2495
FWIW LS I haven't even read the vast majority of your posts and your back and forths etc. You seem to constantly think you're under insane pressure but the only pressure I see on you is DP gently asking you questions, as if to gather the information for a potential future case.

If I were to guess, I'd say you probably see day 4 and if you don't there's not much you can do about it given your limited contribution. So plan around having a solid position that can be appraised day 4, so that (assuming you're town), you give us a solid chance not to mislynch you.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 29 2023 02:46 GMT
#2498
DP I think you should allow them the room to breathe. This just causes them to have to keep returning to why they haven't contributed, rather than contributing.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 29 2023 02:50 GMT
#2502
On May 29 2023 11:44 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2023 11:20 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 29 2023 11:16 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 29 2023 11:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Well that NK point towards me.... At least I was right about my read on him.

Why?

I am not seeing how this NK implicates anyone, Rayn was so town it hurts and is the only one of us who has managed to actually catch scum

Like the team would then just let him live?

Pure WIFOM to think anything is implied by this NK other than "raynpelikoneet good"

Let's see in his last will he did say to lynch me today. Yes I do know he is a good player but why did he not get killed Night 1 then?

They were busy killing Koshi,

But this is a decent point in another way. Who did Koshi sus?

That could hold good info on finding the remaining scum. Because Rayn is a strong player (imo stronger than Koshi) and so is marv; why Koshi first? Unless it was a total snipe?

Actually what the hell I need to read it myself.

These blues dying early makes me wonder if some serious vet power is the scum.

Maybe not LS after all if this yields something.



Your process here (who did koshi sus?) is exactly what I predicted with my outline of why koshi died. Just sayin'.

On May 29 2023 11:33 TankTopTiger wrote:
Regarding Rayn being NKed night 1:
Kosh was mad AF and throwing fingers everywhere. Killing him creates opportunities for scum to martyr him for any one of his reads. Keep in mind, mafia could not have predicted that Koshi would vig MZ.

So as a mafia on day 1, I would be thinking that "if I kill Koshi, I get rid of a good player, I get casus belli for literally anyone on vivax's wagon AND on MZ. Furthermore if I'm Marv and I'm scum, I have also created a safe pocket for myself on the train that didn't lynch the doctor.

If I'm scuMarv, there is no way I NK Rayn, who is just my high-level bodyguard at this point, over Koshi who achieves everything I could ever want in an NK.

TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 29 2023 03:05 GMT
#2518
Chezinu I hope you're coming up with some good cases while larping around.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 29 2023 08:38 GMT
#2526
Do mafia get to keep posting in the mafia discord after they've been lynched?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 29 2023 12:54 GMT
#2531
I was thinking about what happens if we lynch marv and he's red. I was worried about a situation where we'd have to hunt down one of the non-contributing players who is then being micro-managed by a skilled player which would be hard.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 29 2023 23:47 GMT
#2577
How long from this post until lynch?

I've got to go work, I've read the thread up until now. I will be spending tonight on the game if there is still time.

Marv, I plan on putting effort into evaluating your claims. I need to verify the things people say about your tells, and how they're represented in this thread. I also need to look at your case on MZ in more detail to see whether your push on them was warranted as you say.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
May 29 2023 23:56 GMT
#2579
@Town
I think this lynch is basically for the game. If somehow our next lynch is town, then it's going to be 3 town to 2 scum left, and we will have lost one of our stronger players. If the next lynch is scum, it'll be four town to one scummer, and they will have (presumably) lost their best player.

So I think this lynch is the most important one thus far. Maximum effort please.
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