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The Chez TR made no sense in that list, aye. As the read on me/rayn still doesn‘t. At this point it doesn’t seem to just be a tease or troll read of sorts anymore.
I wouldn‘t say massive troll @DP. Aside from obvious shitposts, I think it‘s mostly her being in way over her head.
Game takes practice and we‘re routined players, so I believe that regardless of alignment, she doesn‘t know how to gather player sentiment and just posts half-baked stuff in the hopes that it holds some value to others.
Which is behaviour I would usually place as mafia, but with newbie card + bias + language barrier I don‘t really feel like going down that road. I feel like I brought her into this game so I’m also responsible for ensuring it’s fun :p
Oh and LS seemes town for tone to me , I don’t rely on much else when it comes to him this early in the game (but I won’t forget he slipped by as mafia once in I think the last game where Damdred was also in).
Meanwhile I take some issue with MZs tone, at times. It’s all very well written and the angles he shoots hold merit but appears tendentious/tunnely in approach.
That said, GTMH I‘d currently vote with my TRs Koshi/rayn and maybe marv no matter what.
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On May 24 2023 17:09 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 17:07 DarthPunk wrote:On May 24 2023 17:01 Koshi wrote:
I talk about so many things. There are context clues. What you were posting about with Rayn being 3/3 or whatever. I can’t say I’m a fan of the tendency for people to be deliberately vague that has seemingly developed over the years. His 3 mafia reads? Mebaby slam and MZ? Then add Vivax, Onegu and Sentinel and you have 3 out of 6 being mafia. But now I see I forgot Chez so it is 3/7
I don’t think slam is mafia but thanks for clarifying.
Btw off topic: what part of Belgium are you from? my partner is from Antwerp and I really love visiting belgium.
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First post of the game on a computer for me, hurrah! And first post of today with clothes on, you'll all be thrilled to hear. I'm going to summarise where I'm at.
Koshi and rayn seem pretty-to-very town to me, at least if they are not I am not going to be catching them very soon. rayn thinks what I think a good bunch of the time. Koshi loves to vote for me d1 as town (not that that's the reason for the read, but ya know)
DP I am no longer particularly suspicious of, I don't think I have a reason to be.
VE I don't think I am suspicious of either. Some of his posts are very ?????? to me, but I don't think that makes him mafia. VE loves a big or crazy sort of play as mafia and he's not afraid to put himself out there, but I don't think it's like this?
Vivax I am unsure of. Tonally I think he looks fairly town, but before I looked at his filter just now I'm at least somewhat suspicious of him. It feels to me that a town-Vivax should be using all his irl leverage to really question and dig into MB's alignment, rather than giving occasional summaries of his thoughts. I just imagine myself in Vivax's position - I would want nothing more than to determine the alignment of my friend. I did re-read his filter though and it also didn't scream mafia particularly apart from that, random comment about MB being mafia spews me town, is that something he writes as mafia?
Slam could be anything (if there's a way to tell that I can't remember, enlighten me). LS I am also very null on.
MB I don't have much else to add than what Koshi said and my response to what Koshi said not long ago. Could easily be mafia, meatbaby - I really encourage you to post your thoughts and reasoning behind them as much as possible today
MZ I think is mafia. It was floating around in my brain yesterday, but the case against me at least looked clean and (some) of his posts maybe looked okay, so I wasn't sure how to pinpoint what I was thinking. But rayn's comments about MZ and how his posting style appeared to him in past games really resonated to me and helped me make sense of my thoughts. Actually his case against me is too clean/obvious, and I don't think he's actually trying to discern my alignment. I think he is playing the way an old-school scum player plays, relatively unruffly comments, targeting someone (me) that has at least some thread traction, a case that 'makes sense' but doesn't dig any further.
##vote: MZ
P.S. I am slightly sad that we have 2 non-posters, I hope at least 2 mafia sit in the people actually playing, or it's gonna be sucky.
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On May 24 2023 01:44 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 19:49 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote:
The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here. If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time? Whupbammmmm, Marv with the town wisdom Basically would sheep
Why does that make marv town ?
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and now Vivax agrees & with the same reasoning on MZ. So I guess I should like him for that.
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On May 24 2023 17:12 Vivax wrote:
The Chez TR made no sense in that list, aye. As the read on me/rayn still doesn‘t. At this point it doesn’t seem to just be a tease or troll read of sorts anymore.
I wouldn‘t say massive troll @DP. Aside from obvious shitposts, I think it‘s mostly her being in way over her head.
Game takes practice and we‘re routined players, so I believe that regardless of alignment, she doesn‘t know how to gather player sentiment and just posts half-baked stuff in the hopes that it holds some value to others.
Which is behaviour I would usually place as mafia, but with newbie card + bias + language barrier I don‘t really feel like going down that road. I feel like I brought her into this game so I’m also responsible for ensuring it’s fun :p
Oh and LS seemes town for tone to me , I don’t rely on much else when it comes to him this early in the game (but I won’t forget he slipped by as mafia once in I think the last game where Damdred was also in).
Meanwhile I take some issue with MZs tone, at times. It’s all very well written and the angles he shoots hold merit but appears tendentious/tunnely in approach.
That said, GTMH I‘d currently vote with my TRs Koshi/rayn and maybe marv no matter what.
I really hate this Ls town read stuff. He has barely posted about the game. Either you have all developed hyper accurate meta reads on each other because of small player pool. And these never change or are meta gamed. or it’s just bad habits. I’m leaning towards the latter.
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On May 24 2023 17:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:LS should maybe himself answer about the Vivax read, other than that i don't think there is anything that looks other than townie from him. Like the dude is always about 95% of meta in his reads, right or wrong, he still does that every time. I can understand him not having a read on mebaby just because there is no meta to go on with. I mean like if someone seriously claimed they have a cop check on N0 in this game LS would probably go if they have ever been a cop before and checked anyone N0 before coming to conclusion that they have to be lying. :D On May 24 2023 16:48 Koshi wrote:
Just downgrade Vivax after mebaby flips red due to the tinfoil he mentioned for 3/3 I think this is actually one of the very rare cases where, if mebaby is mafia, she spewed Vivax town. The tinfoil is that Vivax his "relax guys she is just trolling" is rooted in truth because the ridiculous "YOU CAN NEVER WIN AGAINST ME VIVAX" spiel she did was in fact trolling as they are mafia together. As you know. My tinfoil is always strapped on firmly.
don't think this is a terrible tinfoil though
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On May 24 2023 17:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't even understand who fears marv's scumgame?
Oi, I used to have a phenomenal record as mafia. Maybe not so much the last few games... 
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On May 24 2023 17:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 17:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't even understand who fears marv's scumgame? Oi, I used to have a phenomenal record as mafia. Maybe not so much the last few games...
I remember when you were feared as scum. I think it was before Rayn joined though. After he joined I remember you just not trying that hard lol.
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On May 24 2023 17:18 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 17:12 Vivax wrote:
The Chez TR made no sense in that list, aye. As the read on me/rayn still doesn‘t. At this point it doesn’t seem to just be a tease or troll read of sorts anymore.
I wouldn‘t say massive troll @DP. Aside from obvious shitposts, I think it‘s mostly her being in way over her head.
Game takes practice and we‘re routined players, so I believe that regardless of alignment, she doesn‘t know how to gather player sentiment and just posts half-baked stuff in the hopes that it holds some value to others.
Which is behaviour I would usually place as mafia, but with newbie card + bias + language barrier I don‘t really feel like going down that road. I feel like I brought her into this game so I’m also responsible for ensuring it’s fun :p
Oh and LS seemes town for tone to me , I don’t rely on much else when it comes to him this early in the game (but I won’t forget he slipped by as mafia once in I think the last game where Damdred was also in).
Meanwhile I take some issue with MZs tone, at times. It’s all very well written and the angles he shoots hold merit but appears tendentious/tunnely in approach.
That said, GTMH I‘d currently vote with my TRs Koshi/rayn and maybe marv no matter what. I really hate this Ls town read stuff. He has barely posted about the game. Either you have all developed hyper accurate meta reads on each other because of small player pool. And these never change or are meta gamed. or it’s just bad habits. I’m leaning towards the latter.
Knowing him, he’ll show up at some point and post more reads. I’m statistically better off giving bold townreads over bad scumreads. If you think he can be scum, be my guest but hating my townread based on early tone seems a bit over the top.
I’ll give you that it’s not a read I’d hold onto unconditionally.
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On May 24 2023 17:12 Vivax wrote:
The Chez TR made no sense in that list, aye. As the read on me/rayn still doesn‘t. At this point it doesn’t seem to just be a tease or troll read of sorts anymore.
I wouldn‘t say massive troll @DP. Aside from obvious shitposts, I think it‘s mostly her being in way over her head.
Game takes practice and we‘re routined players, so I believe that regardless of alignment, she doesn‘t know how to gather player sentiment and just posts half-baked stuff in the hopes that it holds some value to others.
Which is behaviour I would usually place as mafia, but with newbie card + bias + language barrier I don‘t really feel like going down that road. I feel like I brought her into this game so I’m also responsible for ensuring it’s fun :p
Oh and LS seemes town for tone to me , I don’t rely on much else when it comes to him this early in the game (but I won’t forget he slipped by as mafia once in I think the last game where Damdred was also in).
Meanwhile I take some issue with MZs tone, at times. It’s all very well written and the angles he shoots hold merit but appears tendentious/tunnely in approach.
That said, GTMH I‘d currently vote with my TRs Koshi/rayn and maybe marv no matter what.
Vivax, there’s half baked, and there’s giving reads on someone who hasn’t posted - they’re not the same.
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On May 24 2023 17:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 17:07 Koshi wrote:On May 24 2023 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:LS should maybe himself answer about the Vivax read, other than that i don't think there is anything that looks other than townie from him. Like the dude is always about 95% of meta in his reads, right or wrong, he still does that every time. I can understand him not having a read on mebaby just because there is no meta to go on with. I mean like if someone seriously claimed they have a cop check on N0 in this game LS would probably go if they have ever been a cop before and checked anyone N0 before coming to conclusion that they have to be lying. :D On May 24 2023 16:48 Koshi wrote:
Just downgrade Vivax after mebaby flips red due to the tinfoil he mentioned for 3/3 I think this is actually one of the very rare cases where, if mebaby is mafia, she spewed Vivax town. The tinfoil is that Vivax his "relax guys she is just trolling" is rooted in truth because the ridiculous "YOU CAN NEVER WIN AGAINST ME VIVAX" spiel she did was in fact trolling as they are mafia together. As you know. My tinfoil is always strapped on firmly. don't think this is a terrible tinfoil though
I think it is but we can talk about that later in more detail. It's not really important now.
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I am just gonna say, i wrote this:
On May 24 2023 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Vivax looks active and i'd say more likely town too. I didn't hate his last post, although there is a creeping suspicion about him and meatbaby goin like "hey can i say this in thread" -- "yeah it's fine, noone will believe you anyways and it's great distancing anyways", but i don't really have any other reason to think Vivax is mafia atm, and that reasoning in itself is stupid.
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She pretty much instantly responds:
On May 24 2023 07:56 die_meatbaby wrote:
Me and vivax never talk about the game ever 2 pc´s 2 different rooms. Also if I have questions i would write the host and not asking him.
Think about it a little bit from the PoV that they are both mafia?
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On May 24 2023 17:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 17:12 Vivax wrote:
The Chez TR made no sense in that list, aye. As the read on me/rayn still doesn‘t. At this point it doesn’t seem to just be a tease or troll read of sorts anymore.
I wouldn‘t say massive troll @DP. Aside from obvious shitposts, I think it‘s mostly her being in way over her head.
Game takes practice and we‘re routined players, so I believe that regardless of alignment, she doesn‘t know how to gather player sentiment and just posts half-baked stuff in the hopes that it holds some value to others.
Which is behaviour I would usually place as mafia, but with newbie card + bias + language barrier I don‘t really feel like going down that road. I feel like I brought her into this game so I’m also responsible for ensuring it’s fun :p
Oh and LS seemes town for tone to me , I don’t rely on much else when it comes to him this early in the game (but I won’t forget he slipped by as mafia once in I think the last game where Damdred was also in).
Meanwhile I take some issue with MZs tone, at times. It’s all very well written and the angles he shoots hold merit but appears tendentious/tunnely in approach.
That said, GTMH I‘d currently vote with my TRs Koshi/rayn and maybe marv no matter what. Vivax, there’s half baked, and there’s giving reads on someone who hasn’t posted - they’re not the same.
Fair enough. I don’t want her to be scum tbqh.
And there’d be a certain comedy value in someone being lunched with that name considering that being a baby seal in a town of bloodthirsty villagers isn’t a good prerequisite for survival.
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Can we get some MZ discussion up in here? Promise we can still talk about MB too…
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On May 24 2023 17:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am just gonna say, i wrote this: Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Vivax looks active and i'd say more likely town too. I didn't hate his last post, although there is a creeping suspicion about him and meatbaby goin like "hey can i say this in thread" -- "yeah it's fine, noone will believe you anyways and it's great distancing anyways", but i don't really have any other reason to think Vivax is mafia atm, and that reasoning in itself is stupid.
[...] She pretty much instantly responds: Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 07:56 die_meatbaby wrote:
Me and vivax never talk about the game ever 2 pc´s 2 different rooms. Also if I have questions i would write the host and not asking him. Think about it a little bit from the PoV that they are both mafia?
I didn‘t coach her while posting. Do you think she’d list Chez as town if I did that ?
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Day One Vote Count
Onegu (2): VisceraEyes, die_meatbaby
die_meatbaby (1) Koshi
Chezinu (1) Alakaslam
Meapak_Ziphh (1) marvellosity
Marvellosity (0): Koshi
Vivax (0): die_meatbaby
Not Voting (8): [UoN]Sentinel, Chezinu, Vivax, LightningStrike, DarthPunk, Onegu, raynpelikoneet, Meapak_Ziphh
With 2 votes, Onegu is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Thursday, May 25 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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Why are 3 of the 5 votes on non posters? Come on guys.
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On May 24 2023 17:39 marvellosity wrote:
Can we get some MZ discussion up in here? Promise we can still talk about MB too…
Sure, i have to sleep though, for like three hours and then run some errands (and a bit later sleep a bit more). I should be around a while in ~5hrs and from about 8pm GMT until deadline.
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I've worked three 12hr shifts this week and sleeping during the day is already annoying as there is much daylight 
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