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On May 28 2023 19:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 19:43 DarthPunk wrote:On May 28 2023 19:42 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t understand what these reasons are? The MZ case on me was “he asks a lot of questions” but there was no attempt to discern anything further than that. His posting (at that time) was very clean. I don’t get what’s difficult to understand about this.
I don’t care what does it for you either, I’ve explained my perspective and if you don’t accept that, there’s nothing else I can say about it.
Nor did I say my DP read must not be correct, for the record, just that has given me a whole boatload of doubt I did not previously have.
How would you feel if someone you were strongly townreading and you thought was strongly townreading you suddenly about faced on you? Do you really not understand the reasons as they are stated in the thread? No. Explain to me like I am a toddler.
If you answer TTT I will.
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I’m going to be really sad if you are town. Because then I was really lost in this game.
Can I ask you another question actually? Why do you think ls is such an obvious lynch now, if you didn’t think of him at all yesterday? And what does it mean for my alignment if ls flips town does that change things for you?
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On May 28 2023 19:58 marvellosity wrote:
What did TTT say? I just talked about my MZ read.
About clean posting, what do you mean by that specifically, what about having a clean and obvious case on you made him mafia?
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On May 28 2023 20:14 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t know how to answer this beyond what I’ve previously said.
Like Vivax said, well written posts. The sort of case that when a mafia tries to make a case on a townie they would make. If you don’t grasp the concept of how mafia tend to write in this sort of way more than townies, I don’t know how else to help you. Mafia cases are by definition untrue and insincere and so they need to be written with nice words and quotes to illustrate something that isn’t reality.
I guess this doesn’t really make sense because I definitely have not been making careful posts and you In fact jump on those as scummy mistakes or whatever. So it’s not really consistent if you think mafia make crafted posts and then my posts which are obviously not crafted make me mafia.
Fwiw I don’t think I ever made crafted posts as mafia, so maybe that’s why it doesn’t ring true to me.
Why do you think his case was obvious?
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On May 28 2023 20:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 20:47 DarthPunk wrote:On May 28 2023 20:14 marvellosity wrote:
I don’t know how to answer this beyond what I’ve previously said.
Like Vivax said, well written posts. The sort of case that when a mafia tries to make a case on a townie they would make. If you don’t grasp the concept of how mafia tend to write in this sort of way more than townies, I don’t know how else to help you. Mafia cases are by definition untrue and insincere and so they need to be written with nice words and quotes to illustrate something that isn’t reality. I guess this doesn’t really make sense because I definitely have not been making careful posts and you In fact jump on those as scummy mistakes or whatever. So it’s not really consistent if you think mafia make crafted posts and then my posts which are obviously not crafted make me mafia. Fwiw I don’t think I ever made crafted posts as mafia, so maybe that’s why it doesn’t ring true to me. Why do you think his case was obvious? Are you for fucking real that one thing that might make someone mafia has to be applied the same to someone else? All mafia must be caught in the same way? Come on. I have been extremely clear why I think you are mafia and the reasons behind that. The fact they aren’t the same as for MZ is totally irrelevant.
That’s not the point of that post, the point is that people play differently and that a person can make crafted posts and this is not a really strong reason to make him mafia and lead a wagon on him.
In fact I think the reason you voted him/pushed him was to discredit him and use your thread presence to get him lynched, because he nailed you as mafia for the exact reasons he stated.
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On May 29 2023 06:57 LightningStrike wrote:sigh I guess no one wants to talk 
Who is mafia in your opinion ?
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On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:
DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him.
So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam?
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On May 29 2023 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:
DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him. So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam? You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm.
Have you read the whole game
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On May 29 2023 07:39 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 07:31 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:
DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him. So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam? You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm. Have you read the whole game I had.
Can I ask why chez was town, then null, and now a scumspect.
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On May 29 2023 09:05 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 08:53 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:39 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 07:31 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:
DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him. So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam? You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm. Have you read the whole game I had. Can I ask why chez was town, then null, and now a scumspect. I had him town early because he felt like his normal trolly self. I went null due to how he voted Vivax which i felt like was scummy (RNGing your lynch there on two wagons????) I didn't call him scum no i said i needed to read him better. I do know his true tell tale sign which @Chez how do you read yourself?
I viewed chez's vote at the time as caring about the result of the lynch, which, on a town vs town wagon, doesn't really make sense for scum CHEZ.
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On May 29 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Seriously no one is here to talk?? Been waiting for someone to talk in here but it been dead silence?
On May 29 2023 06:57 LightningStrike wrote:sigh I guess no one wants to talk
This feels really insincere honestly, like you haven't been active all game, which is fine (especially if you have IRL stuff)
But then why would you make a show of there being inactivity in the thread? which up until this point has been really active, also its night time, so people are less likely to post stuff that they believe will influence the night actions of mafia.
Your emotions are not consistent with your actions.
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On May 29 2023 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:
DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him. So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam? You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm.
Why do you think I am mafia, you seem very sure about this, to the point of not moving your vote on to mafia from me.
So you must have a really strong reason, lets see it.
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On May 29 2023 09:34 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 09:22 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 09:05 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 08:53 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:39 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 07:31 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:
DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him. So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam? You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm. Have you read the whole game I had. Can I ask why chez was town, then null, and now a scumspect. I had him town early because he felt like his normal trolly self. I went null due to how he voted Vivax which i felt like was scummy (RNGing your lynch there on two wagons????) I didn't call him scum no i said i needed to read him better. I do know his true tell tale sign which @Chez how do you read yourself? I viewed chez's vote at the time as caring about the result of the lynch, which, on a town vs town wagon, doesn't really make sense for scum CHEZ. He said RNG'd to Vivax via someone posting on an even number post which i think he based it off of? Mafia motivation would be just no care because we know now both wagons are town and he could just lynch anyone at that point.
Didn't you just say that trolling is part of the reason you read chez as town? and then he was trolling in that post and you think he is scummy for that.
I actually don't think that post was RNG I think it was saying he wasn't sure who to vote for and asking who he should lynch. Slam was straight on it and then made sure that the post he made correlated to the Vivax wagon,
Its part of why I read them both as town basically.
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On May 29 2023 09:44 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 09:25 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:
DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him. So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam? You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm. Why do you think I am mafia, you seem very sure about this, to the point of not moving your vote on to mafia from me. So you must have a really strong reason, lets see it. Stuff from what I posted earlier in my filter (My case on you) plus seeing VE flipped red the mindmeld could be faked. In addition right now I feel like your posting to post towards me?
So I am mafia for attacking you?
Is there anything else that you have considered in my 22 pages of filter?
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On May 28 2023 07:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 07:36 DarthPunk wrote:On May 28 2023 07:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 28 2023 07:27 DarthPunk wrote:On May 28 2023 07:26 marvellosity wrote:
Like DP is mafia im not but i understand why you could think so. I just thought about his emotion deeper than on a surface level, once rayn brought it up. I just don’t believe that. You apparently spent so much time in his filter, considering all his posts from each alignment perspective, but then rayn brings up one thing and it turns your previous analysis on VE-town upside completely? I dont buy it I mean, I still think he could be needlessly antagonistic as Town, but I never really was THAT sure, i read his filter, those were my honest reactions to it at the time, I thought there were better lynches available. Then I woke up, saw fuck all posts, VE was not even voting to not get lynched and didn't even comment on my huge post about him. Still won't vote LS because he has a weird as fuck town read (so strong that he won't even crossvote to save himself) I read TTT and I thought he made more sense and then rayn posts that shit and it also made sense, like what do you want from me, should be clear from the pressure I was putting on VE that I wasn;t sold on his town status. But I don't expect anything more because I think, regardless of what I did, you would find a way for me to be scum, it has been coming for days. In a way it has been coming. And the reason it’s been coming? I didn’t have a reason to scumread youfor quite a while , but I compare you to the two other high volume posters - rayn and Koshi. I got townreads on them very quickly (to the extent I was paranoid I was being mega duped) but with you - never far off null. Why did I feel that way? Then some things I don’t think make sense from a townie perspective - the town reads and the VE stuff here - and it just clicks to me you’re mafiaI am, genuinely sorry if you are town and I am just mega tunnelling. But I just really, really don’t think so
You didn't have as strong read on me until just before the VE lynch.
You aren't telling the truth here Marv. your narrative isn't consistent.
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On May 28 2023 19:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 19:50 DarthPunk wrote:
I’m going to be really sad if you are town. Because then I was really lost in this game.
Can I ask you another question actually? Why do you think ls is such an obvious lynch now, if you didn’t think of him at all yesterday? And what does it mean for my alignment if ls flips town does that change things for you? Because LS lynch becomes more and more obvious the longer the game goes on and hes not invested. Yesterday I didn’t need to think about him because I had 2 other strong mafia reads. Obviously if you are mafia as well as LS then he was bussing you, I don’t know if that’s realistic or not. How he treated VE, for example, was completely different.
Who were the other strong mafia reads??
I don;t think you had VE as a strong read.
and as for me you your self stated this.
On May 28 2023 07:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 07:36 DarthPunk wrote:On May 28 2023 07:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 28 2023 07:27 DarthPunk wrote:On May 28 2023 07:26 marvellosity wrote:
Like DP is mafia im not but i understand why you could think so. I just thought about his emotion deeper than on a surface level, once rayn brought it up. I just don’t believe that. You apparently spent so much time in his filter, considering all his posts from each alignment perspective, but then rayn brings up one thing and it turns your previous analysis on VE-town upside completely? I dont buy it I mean, I still think he could be needlessly antagonistic as Town, but I never really was THAT sure, i read his filter, those were my honest reactions to it at the time, I thought there were better lynches available. Then I woke up, saw fuck all posts, VE was not even voting to not get lynched and didn't even comment on my huge post about him. Still won't vote LS because he has a weird as fuck town read (so strong that he won't even crossvote to save himself) I read TTT and I thought he made more sense and then rayn posts that shit and it also made sense, like what do you want from me, should be clear from the pressure I was putting on VE that I wasn;t sold on his town status. But I don't expect anything more because I think, regardless of what I did, you would find a way for me to be scum, it has been coming for days. In a way it has been coming. And the reason it’s been coming? I didn’t have a reason to scumread youfor quite a while , but I compare you to the two other high volume posters - rayn and Koshi. I got townreads on them very quickly (to the extent I was paranoid I was being mega duped) but with you - never far off null. Why did I feel that way? Then some things I don’t think make sense from a townie perspective - the town reads and the VE stuff here - and it just clicks to me you’re mafiaI am, genuinely sorry if you are town and I am just mega tunnelling. But I just really, really don’t think so
You didn't have as strong read on me until just before the VE lynch.
You aren't telling the truth here Marv. your narrative isn't consistent.
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On May 29 2023 09:52 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 09:48 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 09:34 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 09:22 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 09:05 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 08:53 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:39 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 07:31 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote:
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So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam? You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm. Have you read the whole game I had. Can I ask why chez was town, then null, and now a scumspect. I had him town early because he felt like his normal trolly self. I went null due to how he voted Vivax which i felt like was scummy (RNGing your lynch there on two wagons????) I didn't call him scum no i said i needed to read him better. I do know his true tell tale sign which @Chez how do you read yourself? I viewed chez's vote at the time as caring about the result of the lynch, which, on a town vs town wagon, doesn't really make sense for scum CHEZ. He said RNG'd to Vivax via someone posting on an even number post which i think he based it off of? Mafia motivation would be just no care because we know now both wagons are town and he could just lynch anyone at that point. Didn't you just say that trolling is part of the reason you read chez as town? and then he was trolling in that post and you think he is scummy for that. I actually don't think that post was RNG I think it was saying he wasn't sure who to vote for and asking who he should lynch. Slam was straight on it and then made sure that the post he made correlated to the Vivax wagon, Its part of why I read them both as town basically. The RNG stuff felt more serious to me at the time given everything but it could of been trolling? Idk though maybe i misread it that entire thing. Will recheck this stuff in a bit because I getting a headache and need to take medicine.
Im really sorry if you are town and this is all legit, but I mean, you literally just complained about people not talking to you in the thread, and then when I do, you cant talk about it or go into it?
Come on bro.
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On May 29 2023 10:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 09:59 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 09:52 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 09:48 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 09:34 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 09:22 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 09:05 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 08:53 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:39 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 07:31 DarthPunk wrote:
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Have you read the whole game I had. Can I ask why chez was town, then null, and now a scumspect. I had him town early because he felt like his normal trolly self. I went null due to how he voted Vivax which i felt like was scummy (RNGing your lynch there on two wagons????) I didn't call him scum no i said i needed to read him better. I do know his true tell tale sign which @Chez how do you read yourself? I viewed chez's vote at the time as caring about the result of the lynch, which, on a town vs town wagon, doesn't really make sense for scum CHEZ. He said RNG'd to Vivax via someone posting on an even number post which i think he based it off of? Mafia motivation would be just no care because we know now both wagons are town and he could just lynch anyone at that point. Didn't you just say that trolling is part of the reason you read chez as town? and then he was trolling in that post and you think he is scummy for that. I actually don't think that post was RNG I think it was saying he wasn't sure who to vote for and asking who he should lynch. Slam was straight on it and then made sure that the post he made correlated to the Vivax wagon, Its part of why I read them both as town basically. The RNG stuff felt more serious to me at the time given everything but it could of been trolling? Idk though maybe i misread it that entire thing. Will recheck this stuff in a bit because I getting a headache and need to take medicine. Im really sorry if you are town and this is all legit, but I mean, you literally just complained about people not talking to you in the thread, and then when I do, you cant talk about it or go into it? Come on bro. Didn't have to do the game it's a sinus headache and I just checked after getting some medicine. It was RNG'd here it is: Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 10:44 Chezinu wrote:
If the next post starts with an odd character of the alphabet, I vote MZ. If even Vivax.
I could change my mind. This felt serious in the bold unless you think he was trolling that entire post?
It felt flippant to me more than anything
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On May 29 2023 10:05 LightningStrike wrote:
I mean it's to much as there was 2 people but still point stand it was still RNG'd just towards VIvax over MZ.
Its not RNG though, he is asking who he should vote for? We all read that right? so then we are going to be racing to start a post with our preffered lynch,
Which is what slam did,
Is none of this changing your mind?
If Slam and Chez flipped town right now who is the final mafia?
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On May 29 2023 10:01 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2023 09:49 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 09:44 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 09:25 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:On May 29 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote:On May 29 2023 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:
DP I only got you so far but I might be tunneled. But outside of that I do need to figure out Slam (who I got no idea how to read properly as either alignment) and Chez a bit better and go from there and that is why I was wanting to talk. I do got a way to read Chez but I really hope he comes so I can do my way to read Chez. If i am wrong on any of my town reads it might be Marv but however I am confident in my read on him. So your scum team is me, chez and Alakaslam? You, VE(flipped) , and ? that where i am atm. Why do you think I am mafia, you seem very sure about this, to the point of not moving your vote on to mafia from me. So you must have a really strong reason, lets see it. Stuff from what I posted earlier in my filter (My case on you) plus seeing VE flipped red the mindmeld could be faked. In addition right now I feel like your posting to post towards me? So I am mafia for attacking you? Is there anything else that you have considered in my 22 pages of filter? Not exactly for attacking me but the manor of you attacking me. Felt like you went for an easy target in me (I am the most lynchable person in TL Mafia ever). Plus remember when you asked me about why I thought Koshi was killed? I had already had answered it and felt scummy how you did answer that post.
Why do you think you are an easy target and the most lynchable person ever,. if that were the case don't you think you would have got more than 1 vote yesterday?
In fact most people have not been interested in pursuing you as a lynch all game, that basically demonstrates to me you are not the most lynchable person in TL mafia ever.
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