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On May 26 2023 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 25 2023 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 25 2023 07:24 Vivax wrote:
I‘ma call it a nighty-o
1gu I hope delivers something decent in the future. I don‘t think he read anything at all tbh.
LS gets a downgrade for last appearance while rayn is being annoying on me, redeemed by being observant on him tho.
I‘m sorry if MZ is town.
I‘d also add (to reasons why I think he’s mafia) that his complaint about the egregious posting was warranted, at the same time it felt a bit like he was exaggerating his reaction. Maybe to gain a bunch of cheap cred with those insulted.
Should be an interesting angle to revisit at some point. Dont worry i wont be advocating a lynch on you in ANY case (while i think you could be mafia) here. You will live to see D2. You read it here folx, rayn is actively trying to protect mafia Vivax from the lynch. I think this is where rayn fucked up ladies and gentlemen. Until now his play could be classified as stubborn town, this post right here proves that he's actively trying to harm town, removing the stubborn town possibility entirely because townRayn would never ever not lynch Vivax if he thinks he's mafia if the lynch is viable in this situation. FUCKING GOTTEEEEEEEEMMMMM marv, do you think mafia VE says this knowing that either Vivax will flip town or Meapak will flip mafia? In my mind it's a no, but you know VE probably better so what's your opinion?
Yeah he’s cunning enough to say that.
The thing with VE is he’s a smarter mafia player than town as he has all the info. And he has big balls so he’s willing to say stuff like that.
I can’t read too much into it either way as I think he can say this as either alignment
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On May 26 2023 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the problem i have with VE is that both me and marv said that Vivax would probably act JUST like he did as town and we both know that from own personal experience, and VE never considers that it could be the case that Vivax acts like that as town just because he himself wouldnt.
Yes that’s what I was trying to get at multiple times yesterday, I don’t understand how it didn’t at least create doubt either.
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On May 26 2023 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2023 22:41 TankTopTiger wrote:
That's not to say MZ not looking for alignment is not a good point (might be worth going through this later), but it's something that was simultaneously defensive. So to me, you were very passive and only exerted influence when threatened. I have high expectations for the contributions of DP, Reyn, Marv, and Koshi, so me not seeing any evidence of you having been proactive puts you grey at best for me. Like this is very weird... You know Meapak was the other wagon engineered by marv and he has no intention to look into Meapak as in if marv is right or not (for right or wrong reasons but that doesnt matter), instead all he posts is attacking the lead person on the unflipped wagon against a town wagon??
It’s quite the interesting choice of target isn’t it.
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VE, how you feeling about things now the dust settled a bit?
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Should I remember this Holylare reference?
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On May 26 2023 05:04 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:It's amazing how Darthpunk is going full Holyflare after a mistake he himself made. I have never ever encouraged anyone to vote for Vivax, the only thing close is when i am considering between MZ/Onegu/Vivax, and even there i am talking directly to marv and noone else. That happens about 4 hours before i leave the tread and after that i continuously say i don't think vivax will flip mafia and i am going to stay on MZ. Yet somehow Darthpunk (and mebaby) have somehow come to conclusion i almost lead a lynch on Vivax??? And now apparently Koshi is mafia??? Because DP voted wrong.  It's pretty amazing to read this. Darthpunk please don't go full Holyflare if youre town. Sure you have you made the one post where you was writing Ogenu acting to strong to be town and Vivax is less paranoid than normal to be town... this post made change minds from other players. You didn't vote on V but this post got fucking important at this time. And you watched how people where voting for V after this instead of MZ.
Is this really what happened or did people just go for VE’s passion in the thread at the time.
Take responsibility for your own shit and your own vote people
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On May 26 2023 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 05:03 marvellosity wrote:
Should I remember this Holylare reference? Every time he leads a mislynch D1 he blames everyone in the other wagon.
Seems fairly straightforward lol
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On May 26 2023 05:05 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 05:03 marvellosity wrote:
Should I remember this Holylare reference? I think you were gone too long. Might not have been? Holyflare likes to... misconstrue intent behind posts. Assigns a lot of motive. This particularly irks Rayn, and myself, among others (I think Koshi? I could be wrong) But while you are here. Is Kenpachi's rule ever a sensible thing these days? Why did he think the first person to attack him was mafia?
Never really paid that much attention to all the weird policies and rules, it’s more like side show entertainment. Patterns are made and they are broken
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Well, interesting. If DP-maf had that whole shit flinging with Koshi just to kill him that would be quite something. So maybe not that. Right, I’m owed another hour’s sleep
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I take that back, too wifom-y
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Just fair warning, the next day (24h or so) are going to be pretty inactive for life reasons. But should have more time on Saturday.
Stuff I want to look at is who didn’t treat their vote preciously D1 because it didn’t matter?
And maybe players in the night phase whose behaviour suggested they already knew MZ was town (TTT, maybe DP?)
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On May 26 2023 15:40 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 15:30 marvellosity wrote:
Just fair warning, the next day (24h or so) are going to be pretty inactive for life reasons. But should have more time on Saturday.
Stuff I want to look at is who didn’t treat their vote preciously D1 because it didn’t matter?
And maybe players in the night phase whose behaviour suggested they already knew MZ was town (TTT, maybe DP?) What do you think my alignment is marv?
Obviously up for debate, which I think you could have figured out
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On May 26 2023 16:14 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 16:02 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2023 15:40 DarthPunk wrote:On May 26 2023 15:30 marvellosity wrote:
Just fair warning, the next day (24h or so) are going to be pretty inactive for life reasons. But should have more time on Saturday.
Stuff I want to look at is who didn’t treat their vote preciously D1 because it didn’t matter?
And maybe players in the night phase whose behaviour suggested they already knew MZ was town (TTT, maybe DP?) What do you think my alignment is marv? Obviously up for debate, which I think you could have figured out Sure, but what would you lean towards?
Why does that matter? I don’t need to try to define exactly where I stand rn, just that I’m unsure.
The Koshi stuff during the night was all very weird, you made some big posts and a lot of reasons why he was being scummy but none of them made sense to me. In hindsight, how do you feel about those posts?
PS going into work now (first reason for inactivity - 95% of the time I WFH but having a team day today)
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TTT - I don’t think I’m particularly known for being against lynching lurkers, but I’ve always believed it should be a last resort type thing.
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On May 26 2023 17:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 17:33 TankTopTiger wrote:
@DP & VE
You mentioned the vig shot was bad for town, can you spell that out for me? I see it differently. In a work where mz was scum we would have a lot more information and progress in the game, the wagon was close and a scum! Mz would have probably revealed some truths about alignments. As it stands, mafia didn’t care about the lynch and therefore we have very Little information based on voting patterns
Yes, that’s why I think we need to look at who really cared about their vote - ie did not know alignments. Did Chez, Onegu, LS?
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On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv why do you think Koshi was shot?
I have nothing but wifom.
Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig.
My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target.
But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him
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On May 26 2023 19:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 11:41 LightningStrike wrote:First off what. Second of all the fuck. Not only we lynched the doctor but the Vig got shot and shot the other wagon to the doctor lynch and they were town w t f.......... Koshi said: On May 25 2023 14:36 Koshi wrote:
That MZ wagon was all my townreads. Includes Vivax. So amazing what game the people on Vivax wagon were reading.
Anyway. I dont believe in full mafia wagons so 1 of my townreads must be wrong. But that's ok.
Planning on lynching the entire Vivax wagon first. Which means that he thinks there is at least 1 or more mafia on the Vivax wagon Look at here: On May 25 2023 18:28 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:26 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2023 18:20 Koshi wrote:On May 25 2023 18:16 marvellosity wrote:
Don’t disagree with most of your targets though, not sure if I am happy or sad about that. Super sad. Those reads now while we (the not baddies and his townreads) were there before the lynch. And the rayn blaming on the bottom is the icing on the glittered shitcake. What are your reads then? And I feel ok criticising rayn, because after the flip apparently it was super obvious that Vivax was town, but if that was the case there was an opportunity for that to not happen, and he didn't try and stop me, but I don't think it was as clear that he was super town as you have implied post flip. I understand the salt, but I also think you are engaged in results orientated thinking and I feel bad enough about the mis lynch already. Do you think I am town or mafia? If I am mafia then please make a case and try and lynch me, if you think I am town, can you please try and engage with me in a way that is productive. I think you could be mafia. I will never make a case on you. I will yell all future days that I think you are mafia. I will never respect any read you make this game. I think this is why Koshi was shot he thinks DP is a mafia on the Vivax wagon (which he did think 2 or all 3 mafia there) This post felt really bad btw, the fake outrage at the top. I get that if he was invested in the game but I read his whole filter in 2 minutes and its clearly not the case. This screams disingenuous to me.
I have to say I agree about the reaction at the top
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On May 26 2023 19:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv why do you think Koshi was shot? I have nothing but wifom. Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig. My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target. But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him
It could be, in the case DP is maf (this is entirely speculative) that they tested out what would happen if koshi got attacked and I stonewalled it and they made the decision then.
Lots of ifs there though.
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On May 26 2023 20:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 19:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv why do you think Koshi was shot? I have nothing but wifom. Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig. My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target. But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him It could be, in the case DP is maf (this is entirely speculative) that they tested out what would happen if koshi got attacked and I stonewalled it and they made the decision then. Lots of ifs there though.
Tbh - in the case DP is town too, it actually works with either
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On May 26 2023 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 19:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2023 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv why do you think Koshi was shot? I have nothing but wifom. Maybe koshi’s emotions N1 he exaggerated to make himself a less likely NK. Although that doesn’t matter so much if you’re a 1 shot vig. My own paranoia/ego thinks they might be removing my supporters so I can be a legit target. But simple answer is he was right about something you and I weren’t + they thought they were never going to mislynch him Like i get you werent shot because you are likely pushing MZ lynched all day 2. Although shooting you pretty much would do the same thing..Something at least i haven't considered (strongly at all) is DP and VE. Which Koshi did at various times. Koshi MO says all day 2 is shitfight with DP. Why is that not beneficial for mafia if DP is town? I wouldn't trust myself talking Koshi out of that tilt.
I think we know the bolded doesn’t do the same thing, people just ignore dead people all the time.
Last paragraph is a very good point, I hadn’t considered that.
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