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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:17 GMT
#474
On August 31 2022 07:16 Koshi wrote:
Why are you working 2.5 jobs? That's hard.

yes. i need money to buy us a house and other things.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:20 GMT
#476
Koshi do you think Vivax is town?
So you think deconduo is town?

If so, why? Vivax hasn't said anything worth anything whole game. Basically he has made posts but the only game contributing post is his vote on MZ. He has been talking about outside game stuff. If Vivax is mafia Vivax talks either nothing or he talks about some stupid shit like stock markets.

Here Vivax talks like he is talking about stock market.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:21 GMT
#477
EBWOP: So = Do (on deconduo last post of mine)
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:29 GMT
#482
On August 31 2022 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2022 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So deconduo's 1st page of filter is sarcasm or talking about those posts he made sarcastically. As i already said i find it very counter productive to scumhunting since at least me and Jock wasted some time trying to clarify something that was apparently basically jokes. In addition to that, if you look at the last three games in the database of his, as town he actually tries to scumhunt (useful), as mafia he pretty much posted nothing but setup discussion (useless) on D1.

If deco was really engaged and good in his previous 3 towngames, I am ok with voting him off based on his performance this game. Because this game the reads are pretty shallow and quick drawn.
Mafia that can't fake real reads and just quickly calls people town/mafia based on little or thread sentiment.

I dont know if he was good or not.
What i do know is that when he posts he scumhunts / gives reads as town, not so as mafia:
town - https://tl.net/forum/mafia/492282-tl-mafia-lxxii-gaiden-2?user=Deconduo
town - https://tl.net/forum/mafia/491681-tropical-storm-mini-mafia?user=deconduo
mafia - https://tl.net/forum/mafia/237920-world-at-war-2-mafia?user=deconduo

I don't believe people's habits change in 5 or even 10 years as he claims.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:32 GMT
#486
On August 31 2022 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
I think this game looks way more like Gaiden than the mafia one lol?

huh i would say that's the least similar...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:42 GMT
#488
On August 31 2022 04:43 deconduo wrote:
Overall almost everyone seems pretty townie so far. I've got Rayn and MZ in my 'interesting' group - but that could just be cos they've both had a go at me. Not convinced they've done anything actually scummy but it can be hard to distance myself from a bit of tunneling and look at the situation critically. I'll do review of them tomorrow i think.

Looking forward to what Matt has to say

Like, at this time i havent been posting much anything for almost a day. Yet deconduo doesn't have any questions or anything to say about either of us. He just said my case on him is townish (yet i am still in interesting category). MZ has been under pressure from many people, yet he has nothing to say about this.

Instead he wants to hear from Mattchew???
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 22:57 GMT
#489
Cake why do you call MZ Zhipp?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 23:02 GMT
#490
On August 30 2022 11:27 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 11:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On August 30 2022 10:51 Tubesock wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
There was so much discussion of this quote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb

For my own clarity rayn, this was the section of the OP that made you make this comment right?
Mafia roleblocker has precedence. If mafia roleblocker and jailkeeper target each other the jailkeeper's action will not be counted.


No, later Rayn said it was an inside joke. That he messed up.

Ah my bad, I'll have to go reread that bit.
On August 30 2022 10:53 Tubesock wrote:
On August 30 2022 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I wanted to lynch jock for spamming the thread and questionablevibes but now I want to lynch Decon for this post
On August 30 2022 05:51 deconduo wrote:
100% confirmed town
Holyflare

Leaning Town:
Dandel Ion + Jockmcplop (Lovers quarrel)


Undecided:
deconduo
Alakaslam
CopCake
Tubesock
Meapak_Ziphh
raynpelikoneet
Rels
Mattchew

Leaning Mafia:
Vivax (Pretending to bus Koshi)
Koshi

Chezinu:
Chezinu

Seriously, a reads list like 6 hours into the game solidly falls into something I call "contributing without contributing" because it really adds nothing to the conversation.


But that's the best list post of the ENTIRE game!

Why don't you see that as a mostly joke post with 1 (technically 2) useful read? He looks pretty playful to me.

I didn't really read it as a joke post, you hit my point spot on when you say the post only has 1 useful read. It's completely filler and adds nothing. Even if it's a joke, I get a lot more red vibes from that type of post than I do playful townie.

To me, a townie jokes more along the lines of
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
I'm town

It's harmless, in the first couple pages of the game, and unambiguous.

I personally strongly dislike decon's "joke" here as well:
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.

Although since it's so early in the game I wasn't focused on it at first, I only saw it again when rereading for the HF post I quoted above.


I like his joke list post better than Jock's quote every post try-hardness. They both move the thread a little forward at least.

Putting HF as top town on one self claim post is pretty hilarious. Then essentially doing the opposite for Vivax bussing absent Koshi is pretty funny too. And of course the Chezinu read is spot on too. Now we can wait and see who nitpicks him for it and why.

Did you already decide who nitpicked on that or not? Because i know who did and i also know who didn't care while saying they would.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 23:06 GMT
#491
Maybe Tubesock is also mafia. That post is quite... well...
deconduo's joke list post is better than Jock's quote-every-post posts, because both move the game forwards??
Then wait for who nitpicks on deconduo's post (like a... threat?), well i did, nothing happened in Tubesock's world.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 23:08 GMT
#492
Where are all the americans? Chezinu if you needed to take one of the players in this game with you on an island, who would it be? Would you climb to a coconut tree instead of them yes/no?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 23:10 GMT
#494
You don't think i nitpicked on deconduo's post?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 23:12 GMT
#496
Okay. What in your opinion Jock did, or how he reacted to that (deconduo's list post)?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 23:38 GMT
#499
On August 31 2022 08:33 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 04:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:16 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:12 deconduo wrote:
Anyone who's posts I like always turns out to be mafia

The question is, if you've noticed this pattern before, didn't you just vote for the people whose posts you liked?
How did it go?


Don't remember, its been years

Fair enough.

On August 30 2022 04:17 deconduo wrote:
My old rule was always vote Palmar day 1

Oh its ok the rule is vote palmar day 1 or if he's not there vote holyflare.

On August 30 2022 04:17 Holyflare wrote:
Wait where did Rayn clarify his post? I don't think the typo changes the question lol.

His post makes sense after the clarification. It didn't before, I assume that why you posted 'what?'.


Why does saying this game has a rber that doesn't rb make any sense? Can't find anything about it in the OP.

I think he's saying that he's ok with it if it happens.

?? That's not what he said at all though?

That's exactly what i was saying though.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 23:48 GMT
#503
Okay Tubesock can be town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 23:49 GMT
#505
On August 31 2022 08:41 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2022 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 31 2022 08:33 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:16 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 04:12 deconduo wrote:
Anyone who's posts I like always turns out to be mafia

The question is, if you've noticed this pattern before, didn't you just vote for the people whose posts you liked?
How did it go?


Don't remember, its been years

Fair enough.

On August 30 2022 04:17 deconduo wrote:
My old rule was always vote Palmar day 1

Oh its ok the rule is vote palmar day 1 or if he's not there vote holyflare.

On August 30 2022 04:17 Holyflare wrote:
Wait where did Rayn clarify his post? I don't think the typo changes the question lol.

His post makes sense after the clarification. It didn't before, I assume that why you posted 'what?'.


Why does saying this game has a rber that doesn't rb make any sense? Can't find anything about it in the OP.

I think he's saying that he's ok with it if it happens.

?? That's not what he said at all though?

That's exactly what i was saying though.

No? you said it was a "Vivax probe" post:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:24 CopCake wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb


Are you talking of a past game or?

Yeah, well i was prodding Vivax but since i mistyped the post already went to waste.

Then I just read your big post where you elaborated further, but that was after Jock's post
If I was to explain your reasonning to HF, it would be "it was a trap", not "would be good if the mafia RB didn't RB"

I don't really think you're getting where i am at for this, but i am right and you are wrong if you think Jock is mafia for this.

So please read further.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 23:51 GMT
#506
How about you read the rest of the game and then get back to us Rels?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 23:57 GMT
#509
On August 31 2022 08:52 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2022 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
every single one of his posts is either talking about setup/mechanics/game theory or a hard neutral reads

Show me a single post where i ever do this in this game please.

i'll bite because ive been trying very hard to not get a big head and think that my first read is guarenteed correct and then confirmation bias every post you made (although your cocky mafia!ryan response was just so so scummy to me)

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On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb

game setup

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:28 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
I'm town


Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?

lol?

did you skip HF post on purpose?

Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it?

Was wondering why you didn't address this post:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb


What?

But responded to the very next one:
On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
I'm town


Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?

But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question


Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post?
Confused.

He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later)

So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting.

Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless.

I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond.
_____

I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back.

deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.

What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo?

this post is literally just all about setup mechanics with a question about overall game theory at the end

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2022 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2022 05:12 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:28 Rels wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
[quote]

Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?

lol?

did you skip HF post on purpose?

Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it?

Was wondering why you didn't address this post:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb


What?

But responded to the very next one:
On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
I'm town


Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else?

But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question


Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post?
Confused.

He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later)

So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting.

Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless.

I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond.
_____

I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back.

deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this:
On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding.

What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo?


What's the benefit of claiming town?

There is none but if someone asks you if you're town you either say "yes" or "that's a dumb question, why are you asking that?".

I mean in my opinion those are the only reasonable answers to the question as town, no?

more game theory

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2022 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
One general thing. I would like if everyone also placed their votes into the game thread as well when they do vote. I am going to have very hard time following the voting thread as well especially near the deadlines this week since i am at work, and it's not once or twice i dont have all the votes correctly because people dont post them here also (i find voting threads idiotic and confusing and just host's way to have less work).

game mechanics

before you gave reads basically all your posts were branched off of this or questions that werent going to really lead anywhere

You don't read properly or you are mafia or you are just an asshole if you claim that first three of those are what you described them to be.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 30 2022 23:59 GMT
#511
First three of those posts are litelrally most of the scumhunting anyone ever did this game at the time, so your post either makes you a complete idiot or mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 31 2022 00:00 GMT
#512
Im fucking done for today and i might even take a modkill and not vote tomorrow because this is retarded.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 31 2022 00:08 GMT
#516
On August 31 2022 09:02 Holyflare wrote:
Why would you take a modkill because someone read your posts in a conf biased way? You keep dropping idiot OR mafia choices and then taking the path that leads you to think Mattchew is just an idiot. Why float "or mafia" if you don't even believe it yourself?

because yeah, i dont believe he is mafia, sadly.
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