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On November 30 2020 08:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Trfel - talk to me about this "you or me" thing. Why does one of us have to be mafia?
Obviously throw out everything I'm about to say if we have another blue claim, but 2 mafia + Evil Mastermind is a fucking disaster for town without a lot of blue-role backup. In my view, you're confirmed town with FF.
You are not considering Mayor/Pardoner/Bodyguard as town favored balancing.
I don't know much about balancing with 3P but EM isn't that strong of a role that I think town needs 3 blues.
Also giving town a hatter to compensate 3P KP doesn't make much sense to me as that seems like it would make the game even harder for town.
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On November 30 2020 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What is your yolo scum tem D1?
Vivax/Hapa, I could dig it up iny filter but it's there.
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On November 30 2020 09:08 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 09:01 Tictock wrote:On November 30 2020 08:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Trfel - talk to me about this "you or me" thing. Why does one of us have to be mafia?
Obviously throw out everything I'm about to say if we have another blue claim, but 2 mafia + Evil Mastermind is a fucking disaster for town without a lot of blue-role backup. In my view, you're confirmed town with FF. You are not considering Mayor/Pardoner/Bodyguard as town favored balancing. This is a fair point. Bodyguard is a +town thing. Show nested quote +I don't know much about balancing with 3P but EM isn't that strong of a role that I think town needs 3 blues. Incorrect. Think about this: EM can recruit the fucking mayor. I didn't see any rule against that. Do you realize how insane that is? Show nested quote +Also giving town a hatter to compensate 3P KP doesn't make much sense to me as that seems like it would make the game even harder for town. Also incorrect. Consider the situation that we are in: me killing a fellow townie (in the event that I got shot) does not at all change how many mislynches the town is allowed.
I am considering a position where where did not kill EM at the start and there is suppendly 4 deaths in a night. That is not balanced.
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Err wait I guess 3 kills in a night would be the most possible in that hypothetical. Still though...
Voted Hapa
I have a really hard time seeing Rayn being mafia in this and Trfel would be playing his heart out if he is mafia here, and I don't think he would have to try this hard if that were so.
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On November 30 2020 09:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 09:10 Hapahauli wrote:
2) Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)? Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
2) but you would not kill vivax since you were you know rb N1?
Solid.
Really doesn't make sense for mafia to leave an UnCC'd blue alive and not RB him.
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On November 30 2020 09:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hapa said he targeted vivax N1 and then said why would mafia kill me if i am gonna take mafia with me, he was roleblocked as per his words N1 so there is no vivax anyways.
Right, even if as Hapa says that mafia figured he was a Hatter then they would know he hasn't placed any bombs so why not kill the unCC'd blue.
I assumed you were responding to my post.
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On November 30 2020 09:37 Hapahauli wrote:
If mafia chooses not to roleblock me on N2, they are not going to shoot me, because from their perspective, I am still fairly likely (given my filter) to bomb Vivax, who I believe is mafia.
So you agree that mafia should have RB and Killed you?
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And if you are going to say, well mafia didn't RB me D1 it was Trfel
Then who did the RB on Trfel?
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On November 30 2020 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
Mafia know that I was JK'd N1. Would they risk shooting me knowing that I am a target for protection? I think not, but you be the judge.
Humm I suppose this is a fair point.
Though it means it was a really bad idea for you to make it so obviuse what your role was.
Which is actually your pov here, I never would have taken that post you quoted as a soft claim for hatter .
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Humm I might not have thought that fully through.
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On November 30 2020 10:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Look. We're not doing this stupid "binary lynch" stuff. There is enough of a chance that we're TvT that I'm not going down that road.
I'm here, willing and able to talk. We can have a productive conversation, but please, please consolidate your thoughts. This will not be productive if I'm answering a string of random one-lined thoughts and questions.
Ok who is mafia?
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Like I know you are down to a pool of Rayn/Vivax/Myself, assuming I read ok
So I suppose I would have to accept a Rayn/Vivax world
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I will stop posting for a bit but will be back later.
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On November 30 2020 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 10:28 Tictock wrote:
Like I know you are down to a pool of Rayn/Vivax/Myself, assuming I read ok
So I suppose I would have to accept a Rayn/Vivax world I am interested in how you got to this?
This was to Hapa, and what I understand his PoV of the game being
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On November 30 2020 11:02 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 10:28 Tictock wrote:
Like I know you are down to a pool of Rayn/Vivax/Myself, assuming I read ok
So I suppose I would have to accept a Rayn/Vivax world I've already shit up this thread enough over the past few hours. Not committing to any reads until I have had a chance to deep dive the thread, especially the days that I missed. Otherwise, I keep ping-ponging back and forth on how suspicious I am of Rayn and it isn't productive.
Is that a fairly accurate view though?
Partially just making sure I understand your PoV, and partially as I feel that in your position you have assumed Trfel is town a bit easily when it should be possible for him to be mafiaRB.
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I am around but am kinda waiting to see how a couple things play out.
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Ok, so I was kinda waiting for Vivax to post, but I am leaning far back into Hapa/Vivax being mafia here. I think they bussed each other yesturday and I think I can back this up. I'll go through what I see in their filters but a large part of it is that they both call each other mafia with some conviction but back off those reads in soft ways.
A big part of this stems from Hapa not taking a stance on who he thinks is mafia today. Despite several times saying he thinks Vivax is scum, and a big chunk of his arguments as to why Mafia would not kill him RELIES on Vivax being mafia.
Hapa did post some reads after his claim, which he even reaffirms later to rayn. In both he says he is down to Rayn/Vivax/Myself but states Vivax is his most confident scum read.
Bit of a tangent, but still in order of Hapa's filter, Hapa tells us he did not run for mayor because he wanted to use his role, but he also points out that he made it clear the only role he would not run for mayor with is Hatter. Mind you he feels he outed his role so clearly that Mafia should know that's his role. Anyone else see the irony in this?
+ Show Spoiler [quotes] +On November 30 2020 08:48 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2020 06:17 Hapahauli wrote:On November 27 2020 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 27 2020 06:11 Hapahauli wrote:On November 27 2020 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am thinking if i can actually solve the game right now. Mechanically speaking, a VT. It would mean that in the remainder of the town, there would be 1-2 blue claims (given the 2 scum + evil mastermind, there is likely another town blue floating around to give the town a chance), in addition to 1 confirmed bodyguard claim. Pretty hard for scum to overcome. what? If I was mayor (in your position), I'd want to be VT, because it would be slightly easier for me to "solve" the game from my perspective in a mass claim situation. If you are referring to whether or not a mayor should be VT or Blue in general, it just depends on the blue role we are talking about. Mayor CPR doc is obviously insane. Mayor JK is pretty insane. Mayor [investigative role] is pretty good, though that is unlikely given Slam's flip. On November 30 2020 08:50 Hapahauli wrote:
In that whole post, I'm saying that running for mayor is good with CPR Doc, JK, and Investigative role.
So if I'm not running for mayor, that leaves two things: Mad Hatter or Vigi. On November 30 2020 08:53 Hapahauli wrote:
And running for mayor is pretty insane with vigi, since I could shoot someone and instantly confirm the mayor role as town.
Mad Hatter is the only damn role in the game that I wouldn't run for mayor, because I basically can't use the fucking role if I'm mayor.
All this brings me to this
On November 30 2020 09:10 Hapahauli wrote:
I think it was very easily deduced from my posting about what blue role I was.
As for why I wasn't killed, two plausible reasons:
1) I basically afk'd for 3 days.
2) Why would you shoot the Mad Hatter if you believe he is likely to deliver KP on mafia (i.e. Vivax)?
Now I do actually find the notion that if mafia know Hapa was Jailed they might not shoot him fearing another jail. However, this was Hapa's first thoughts as to why he would be killed and I think it's really important because of his 2nd point. Again we get the sense that from Hapa's pov Vivax HAS to be mafia.
Whats even more interesting?
On November 29 2020 04:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Brief skim.
Vivax's attitudes towards wanting to get lurkers before active players generally makes sense. I think his recent posting is much better. I've discussed some of my thoughts on Jocks filter previously. He hasn't posted, and that makes him as good of a lynch as any... even if the lack of resistance bothers me.
Frankly, I'm pretty lost this game. I should have more time to play after the holiday weekend ends if I am alive. Hopefully getting rid of an inactive player will help thin the weeds or flip a red.
This was Hapa's last post before he claimed Hatter. Put yourself in mafia's shoes, does this make you feel certain that a clearly HatterHapa is bombing Vivax so you shouldn't kill him?
No more quotes as this post is big enough but when I asked Hapa what his reads were at the end of the lengthy discussion he claims he has no strong reads and seems to keep wanting to focus on Rayn.
Now to me it seems like Hapa clearly thinks Vivax is scum, but he has yet to actually push Vivax or put down a vote on him. Which matches a lot with the way that he backed off his Vivax read (even mildly calling him town) when voting Jock don't you think? This all reads to me like Hapa KNOWS Vivax is mafia, but is reluctant to actually lynch him today if he doesn't have to.
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Not doing as big a post on Vivax, but here is him pushing Hapa yesterday then forgetting about it after the lynch.
On November 28 2020 19:15 Vivax wrote:
My team would be Hapa + Jock atm. I just don't see how Hapa who is super diligent 'mistakenly' claims a roleblock and blurts out he's blue, and neither do I see how he wouldn't think Jock is mafia. Plus he manufactures very convoluted reasoning in cases against me that could be said in a much simpler way. That's because he's prioritizing the convincing over the validity of his case.
On November 28 2020 21:41 Vivax wrote:
Rayn's point on Trfel is essentially that he's hypocritical with how peeps are throwing votes around on available wagons.
As for FF it's that he's one of those people. Overall posting seems townie.
I still think Hapa started off the day just like a mafia softing blue would. He goes whoops on his RB claim and doesn't have to reveal the role. But that obviously doesn't make him scum by itself. It just seems unusually sloppy for him.
What imo makes him possible scum is (aside from various misreps, thinking of him calling my posting useless) his preference for active players in the lynches. And right now he should be thinking I'm bussing Jock and maybe deliver a scenario where that's possible.
He seems otherwise content to let FF and Shockeyy remain in the null area, while he should be having a better read on rayn by now.
Really good mafia pushes vocal players first and finishes the job in a finale of coinflips. Granted, I can't find anything in his filter that makes me go HA. It's just that I get a feeling of dishonesty from his preferences and the way he goes about me.
On November 29 2020 01:38 Vivax wrote:Certainly would help if Jock came back and posted something. I'm a bit worried that he's the only viable wagon. But I'll vote for him in the meantime. Anyone else around? Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 00:47 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 25 2020 00:42 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Jock
I have noticed that you have been critical of Slam's "joke" candidacy.
Why then are you voting for Grack's campaign? Where are you getting the 'joke' candidacy thing from? I'm more critical of people assuming that slam's campaign makes him town, and i'm critical of slam putting that idea forward too. I have never said anything about slam's campaign being a joke or that i think about it in that way. I don't think he's joking at all. I'm voting for grack because he was thinking along similar lines to me as regards to slam's campaign not making him town, and bought it up in the thread before I did, so I gave him town points. I figure I'm better off voting for someone other than myself as mayor because i'm more likely to be able to pick out a town and help them be mayor than i am to do anything useful if i was mayor. At the moment grack has town points so he has my vote. This post is also giving me pause. Because on the followup Hapa avoids to answer Jocks question where he got the joke candidacy from. I don't know if it has been adressed afterwards though.
On November 29 2020 23:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2020 06:24 Trfel wrote:
And Vivax, I don't believe you ever responded to my comments yesterday? Specifically, when did you actually catch up with the thread and start to have solid reads? You had multiple posts going on. Which ones in particular do you mean and I don't get what you mean with the last sentence? My reads are far from solid after the Jock flip. I have little conviction on any read besides on you. I think I'd be ok with Fefe as town as well purely tone wise without the semi-martyr-y posts which read too smug for my taste.
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On November 26 2020 03:44 Tictock wrote:
Yolo scumteam
Vivax/Hapa
Ahh good times
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I also assume Hapa was not wanting to push Vivax as mafia, because Vivax is supposed to CC bodyguard when he comes back to the game
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