[M][T] Aperture Mafia 4, Episode 2

On October 29 2020 04:33 iamperfection wrote:

Being a little sensitive

On October 29 2020 04:38 iamperfection wrote:

I mean he just diagreed with you and you take your ball and go home?

On October 29 2020 04:46 iamperfection wrote:

it's text you can't have a tone.

On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I just am. I have no malintent for our database.

On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:

I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you?

On October 29 2020 06:29 iamperfection wrote:

Wat

On October 29 2020 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think he is town though because my role says he is lol

On October 29 2020 10:23 Hapahauli wrote:
I asked GreYMist, and choosing "what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause" is not an option of choice.

You have to choose a player to target.

On October 29 2020 14:33 iamperfection wrote:

i havent gotten an answer i dont think i will get one either. I think you can target a player and choose that option though.

On October 30 2020 15:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I sell insurance, you know, protection.

On October 30 2020 15:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I didn’t say that.

On October 30 2020 15:28 Onegu wrote:
Hey question. I know I'm a idiot but with the corruption at 1 right now and it only having shit happen at 1,3,5 don't we want as many people as possible going tonight? To get the most clues?

On October 30 2020 16:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You mean like my claim doesnt make sense because i am refusing to claim??? lolol

On October 30 2020 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I already said the first part is not true.
Everything else is nonsense. Me using a power and not telling what i did is in no way scummy.

On October 30 2020 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont understand what you mean by your line of questioning re: Shockeyy?

On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:

Why do you think you're a good candidate?

On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:

I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you?

On October 30 2020 16:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i also thought you think i am mafia and not "wrong"? Which is it?

On October 30 2020 16:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I have eead those posts, I dont understand why this is a reason for me to change my read on you?

On October 30 2020 07:40 yamato77 wrote:
Trusting Dirk is difficult for me. The aware miller-ish aspect adds a layer of strangeness to what is already quite a convoluted role. If anything his post seems to be focused mainly on keeping himself alive for a vague promise of maybe helping town in 5 cycles, which is a long time. This sounds more like an actual survivor claim than any "actually town but may appear 3p" like he said. I don't think he's telling the 100% truth. Then again, the precedent in this very game is to hide one's own power level, so to speak, so I don't exactly think that means he's mafia. Another great candidate to check with the Library.

I don't think we should be asking about what corruption will do when we have so many claims to evaluate. Perhaps if it increases to 2 we could see what would happen at 3 but right now at 1 there's not much point if I read the OP correctly.

Rayn's return to the thread has been less than inspiring. Among a litany of list posts his seems mostly aimed at staying stuck in his reads he made hours ago and dismissing anything that has happened since. That said he is no stranger to confirmation bias so it's not particularly alignment indicative for him to not have developed further.

What's hilarious about this is that I actually find myself agreeing with him about the corruption level now that I think about it. I might choose to go myself and gain some information. I don't think I'm going to take any action involving my role as it exists now. That may change later on, because I don't know much about my role!

I didn't realize a different mini actually had multiple scum teams, but the OP reads as if there's only one (especially given the stated 1 KP) so until I have reason to believe otherwise I am going to play under that assumption. I don't see much merit in speculating about the two scum team theory.

I already stated why I take Hapa's claim at face value and dismissing that read because it looks like buddying is absurd. If I am indeed mafia, why would I buddy with a competing alignment? If we were both mafia, why would we need to "buddy up"? Rayn's reasoning here is obviously flawed, and as he himself admitted he has too many scumreads for them all to co-exist.

Shockey's list post was particularly awful. It is early sure but that was a series of thin one-liners that displayed a lack of critical thought about the game, especially as it pertains to me. I have not refused to cooperate with anyone. I have stated how I wanted to play the game and I have done so. Rayn's meta-defense of my scumread of Shockey for his posting leaves me less than enthused if this is what I should expect from a player who thinks they are analytical. Rayn's seeming certainty of Shockey's alignment is unsettling, to say the least. I have to assume knowledge outside of the thread, and the withholding of that knowledge is inherently anti-town in my opinion.

There are a lot of players in this game I don't have much of an opinion on because of their sparse, conversational and interaction based posting. Grack seems to be solely reactive. Onegu, likewise, seems to be mostly reactive outside of his claim. Ticktock's posting appeared rather bland and inoffensive, but was more substantive in comparison.

One person I absolutely do not care for is Acro. He is hyper-focused on Hapa's claim to a fault. His comments on anything outside of that since the early parts of the game are sparse. He wrote a whole bunch of nothing about my spat with Rayn and has followed up on literally nothing except his evaluation of a single 3p claim. This fixation is something that appears genuine, but could easily come from mafia. I do not trust him.

On November 02 2020 07:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I think dirk is mafia.

On November 02 2020 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyhow 5hrs to work.

I think Koshi started as a lion (that i would expect him to) and devolved to a house cat *meow*. He needs to step up. I still think TT is mafia. Be wary of Koshi. yamato has fallen off earth. Slam is prolly town. Onegu who knows. haha.. i dont even know anything tbh. dont kill iamp or shockeyy.

On November 02 2020 05:56 Koshi wrote:

Hmm? I dont follow.

Also disclaimer: I forgot to vote. I really thought I did but there is a big chance I didnt. I also thought day would last till tomorrow. Oops.

On November 02 2020 16:59 Dirkzor wrote:
wtf is going on with you people. Now i remember why i stopped playing. Most aren't even trying to play. they just fool around thinking that its their time only that they use.

My my sake we can lynch Yamato, onegu, TT, slam and onegu just for being useless/lazy/not even trying. I don't even care if they are town anymore.

Can you use actually sentences yamato? you're supposed to be the writer. write what the fuck you mean.

On November 02 2020 15:10 yamato77 wrote:

-eats carrot-
-poops-

On November 02 2020 17:06 Koshi wrote:
Hmm wonder if yamato is seriously trying to push the idea I am mafia or that it is somehow bad for town that I didnt vote on a person that would never get lynched.

It not something to be proud of but 100% NAI.

On November 02 2020 17:11 Koshi wrote:
I mean well thought out many words typed about them scumreads. Things are going fine.

I only apologize for not backing my homie TTTTT more yesterday.

On November 02 2020 20:05 Onegu wrote:
Ok Claim time. So my role has the same name as a role from the first aperture game. But isnt the same. So some form of anti claim mechanics are usually in a game like this so I wont give full info but someone who does the work can figure it out maybe

I dont have full info and I am inferring alot fwiw based on my role currently and what the role was before.

Someone picked up a gun that got sent to the other thread. I dont know if they got told they found a gun with a bullet and that is all or if it has powers. It may or may not work how they think.

My role currently and why I am claiming now and not before. I am a vet. When I am shot I power up with something very strong for town that I have to sacrifice myself. TBH thinking on it I should have claimed this right away but I wanted to get shot, I know scum will never shoot me so I needed a vigi to and if I claimed sooner I didnt think they would trust my claim or think I am lying. Claiming now maybe someone sees it, believes me and shoots me. I am kinda hoping someone who wouldnt trust me has already shot me and wont see this.

On November 02 2020 21:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I shot TT.

On November 02 2020 22:16 Koshi wrote:
Good stuff. He is out of nowhere super convinced Acro is mafia. Then ends up not voting Acro.

Also. His role and the way he put it in the thread is pure bullshit.

On November 02 2020 22:51 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like Acro was trying to vote off ShoCkkey so I doubt he's mafia. I also didn't get the impression that the reaction over the bus driving between the two of them was pre-planned.

Dirkzor/Hapa aren't teammates with Acro, but I've never thought either of them would be red to begin with.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Onegu hammered his teammate. Otherwise there's 2 in the other thread.

On November 02 2020 23:07 iamperfection wrote:
im pretty sure yamato is claiming he has to write like that.

On November 02 2020 23:11 Dirkzor wrote:

I'm sorry for my outburst earlier then. I was just tired of people not really even trying.

Ok yamato now we can talk:

Did you do any action this night?

Did someone do an action against you?

On November 02 2020 23:12 iamperfection wrote:
oh if anyone wants to claim an action on yamato i suggest you do that now too.

On October 29 2020 14:35 yamato77 wrote:

I think what it means is that you will learn what the next level of corruption will do to that player's role.

My personal belief is that Corruption could potentially lead to negative effects on certain roles. Reading my role PM carefully, I think that I must be careful wrt corruption levels.

On November 02 2020 23:24 Onegu wrote:
It makes sense if scum will never shoot you... ANd you want to be shot...

On November 02 2020 21:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I shot TT.

On November 02 2020 23:23 iamperfection wrote:

well you cant vote for me can you.


also your claim is dumb because YOU NEVER CLAIM VETERAN.
your play makes no sense as a veteran. You should have used what limited ability you have to try to be a good townie if your actually a veteran.

On November 02 2020 23:27 Dirkzor wrote:


I think thats a no on both fronts but i'm not really sure.

What im getting is that corruption level increase made it so that yamato can only write this way. Not anyone elses ability. I will check when he started to talk like dog....

On October 29 2020 14:35 yamato77 wrote:

I think what it means is that you will learn what the next level of corruption will do to that player's role.

My personal belief is that Corruption could potentially lead to negative effects on certain roles. Reading my role PM carefully, I think that I must be careful wrt corruption levels.

On October 29 2020 14:29 yamato77 wrote:
Yeah we have to be able to reasonably trust who we send and I do not trust Shockey.

Also, like Hapa said below, you can't choose to find out about corruption you just have to target a player.

Like I said before Hapa is a great choice for finding out more about his role and I would add Rayn and Shockey to that as well since there is definitely something strange going on between them given how Rayn's read changed.

I could potentially go (my role doesn't require the night action I thought it did) but it seems a lot of people null read me at best so I would have to do some convincing. I suppose I could force the issue but I'd rather do so with the full faith of town.

On October 30 2020 07:40 yamato77 wrote:
Trusting Dirk is difficult for me. The aware miller-ish aspect adds a layer of strangeness to what is already quite a convoluted role. If anything his post seems to be focused mainly on keeping himself alive for a vague promise of maybe helping town in 5 cycles, which is a long time. This sounds more like an actual survivor claim than any "actually town but may appear 3p" like he said. I don't think he's telling the 100% truth. Then again, the precedent in this very game is to hide one's own power level, so to speak, so I don't exactly think that means he's mafia. Another great candidate to check with the Library.

I don't think we should be asking about what corruption will do when we have so many claims to evaluate. Perhaps if it increases to 2 we could see what would happen at 3 but right now at 1 there's not much point if I read the OP correctly.

Rayn's return to the thread has been less than inspiring. Among a litany of list posts his seems mostly aimed at staying stuck in his reads he made hours ago and dismissing anything that has happened since. That said he is no stranger to confirmation bias so it's not particularly alignment indicative for him to not have developed further.

What's hilarious about this is that I actually find myself agreeing with him about the corruption level now that I think about it. I might choose to go myself and gain some information. I don't think I'm going to take any action involving my role as it exists now. That may change later on, because I don't know much about my role!

I didn't realize a different mini actually had multiple scum teams, but the OP reads as if there's only one (especially given the stated 1 KP) so until I have reason to believe otherwise I am going to play under that assumption. I don't see much merit in speculating about the two scum team theory.

I already stated why I take Hapa's claim at face value and dismissing that read because it looks like buddying is absurd. If I am indeed mafia, why would I buddy with a competing alignment? If we were both mafia, why would we need to "buddy up"? Rayn's reasoning here is obviously flawed, and as he himself admitted he has too many scumreads for them all to co-exist.

Shockey's list post was particularly awful. It is early sure but that was a series of thin one-liners that displayed a lack of critical thought about the game, especially as it pertains to me. I have not refused to cooperate with anyone. I have stated how I wanted to play the game and I have done so. Rayn's meta-defense of my scumread of Shockey for his posting leaves me less than enthused if this is what I should expect from a player who thinks they are analytical. Rayn's seeming certainty of Shockey's alignment is unsettling, to say the least. I have to assume knowledge outside of the thread, and the withholding of that knowledge is inherently anti-town in my opinion.

There are a lot of players in this game I don't have much of an opinion on because of their sparse, conversational and interaction based posting. Grack seems to be solely reactive. Onegu, likewise, seems to be mostly reactive outside of his claim. Ticktock's posting appeared rather bland and inoffensive, but was more substantive in comparison.

One person I absolutely do not care for is Acro. He is hyper-focused on Hapa's claim to a fault. His comments on anything outside of that since the early parts of the game are sparse. He wrote a whole bunch of nothing about my spat with Rayn and has followed up on literally nothing except his evaluation of a single 3p claim. This fixation is something that appears genuine, but could easily come from mafia. I do not trust him.

On November 02 2020 23:31 Onegu wrote:
When the fuck do I ever play like a good townie?

My role is get shot and then I can sacrifice myself to prevent all day and night kills including the lynch for a full day night cycle.

On November 02 2020 23:34 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato, is your "transformation" temporary?

For "yes" - eat a carrot
For "no" - poop.

God that was weird to write.

On November 02 2020 23:36 Onegu wrote:
because he just bolded he doesnt know all his role does and it looks like it changes depending on corruption

On November 02 2020 23:39 Onegu wrote:
hrmm ok.

What's hilarious about this is that I actually find myself agreeing with him about the corruption level now that I think about it. I might choose to go myself and gain some information. I don't think I'm going to take any action involving my role as it exists now. That may change later on, because I don't know much about my role!


So you know know much about your role?

On November 02 2020 23:40 Koshi wrote:

So I have 2 cats and you wont believe this but the other one also died and due to not being able to play with the first; the second didn't make it easier so I while I send in the RB for Hapa I accidently made Yamato a rabbit.

On November 02 2020 23:48 Koshi wrote:

Hmm. How do you not get the sarcasm here Mr. Policy lynch all liars, sobstory and irl excuses guy.


I didn't do anything to those last nights. I did things though. Secret things. Or Didn't I?

I may have forgot to send in actions twice.

But for sure I didn't do anything to Hapa and the other guy

On November 02 2020 23:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Bad joke. Would lynch for bad joke.

On November 02 2020 23:57 Koshi wrote:
Like wtf could I have done that is mafialike or pushes mafia agenda. Pretty sure nothing. Not even by accident.

Just this weird idea I should care more as town. lol.

On November 03 2020 00:12 Dirkzor wrote:


It was a hidden vote. How would you know if acro was voted or not?

On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

On November 03 2020 00:52 Koshi wrote:

Koshi so underwhelming. He only calls all my scumreads except himself mafia.
Fuck Koshi not calling himself mafia to match my reads perfectly.

On November 03 2020 00:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Occam's razor says that Acro got lynched because mafia was inactive and had zero thread control. I'm much more inclined to look at passive players (onegu/slam/grack) before going down the Koshi path.

On October 30 2020 17:04 Koshi wrote:

100% mafia read and I would vote Acro just based on that.

On November 03 2020 01:06 Hapahauli wrote:


I believe the horse-language translation is that Koshi is the most plausible mafia-bus candidate. Vote Acro super decisively and try to dramatically claim cred for it, even though it wasn't his original idea, and several other players had concrete suspicions of Acro before him.



I need to give this more thought than I have been. I had been interpreting this as just arrogance.

On November 03 2020 01:32 Onegu wrote:


Welp not voting yams...

On November 03 2020 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

shh dont tell anyone but i dont really care which one wins here.

On November 03 2020 01:43 Onegu wrote:
Also no idea why we aren't looking at people who were in the other thread. Unless shockky/ IAMp are red there is a scum there 100%. Also since 12 players and we are assuming to believe hapas 3p claim there are normally going to be 3 scum in a game like this. So if we assume 3 scum there is only a 50% chance there is another in the group who stayed in this thread... And 100% there is at least 1 and 50% there is more...

On November 02 2020 21:01 GreYMisT wrote:


Event Horizon Level: 2

TL Mafia Database Corruption Counter: 2

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TicTock, the [Role Being Processed] didn't block his ramp and let a control group of zerglings into his main!

Aperture Science has finished processing Acrofales, the Aperture Science Separation Chamber!
[spoiler=Role PM]
"Welcome to Aperture Mafia 4, Episode 2! You are the Aperture Science Separation Chamber! Once per game, at night, you may designate half of the players in the game for a special test. At the start of the day, those players will be required to go to a different thread and carry out a separate day phase with its own lynch. No player may speak in another, nor may they directly quote statements made in another thread. At the end of the day the threads will be brought together again (there will be a normal night phase). You may not, through the use of this power, knowingly cause there to be a thread in which the members of Aperture Science is equal to or greater than the number of town in that thread.

You win with the members of Aperture Science.

""Now, if you're part of Control Group Kepler-Seven, we implanted a tiny microchip about the size of a postcard into your skull. Most likely you've forgotten it's even there, but if it starts vibrating and beeping during this next test, let us know, because that means it's about to hit five hundred degrees, so we're gonna need to go ahead and get that out of you pretty fast.""
"

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The Vote today will NOT be for a lynch. Instead, the vote today will be a plurality vote for a mayor. You may ONLY vote between the following players to be your mayor:

Raynpelikoneet
Dirkzor
Hapahauli
Yamato77

Whoever has the most votes will be elected the mayor and will decide who gets lynched. In the event of a tie, whoever achieved the tied votes first will win.

If you believe you may be elected mayor, please PM your Lynch decision to the hosts prior to the conclusion of the day. Please place your votes HERE. Votes outside of that thread will not be counted.

---

It is now Day 2. The day will end in on Wednesday, Nov 04 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

On October 30 2020 20:28 Acrofales wrote:
Sweet! No NK and I wasn't roleblocked. Something weird happened. Shockeyy isn't supposed to be here, I don't think. It isn't entirely clear how the split works, but I thought it was by player list, and we should have Iamp here, not Shockeyy... Bus driver or something?

Oh, and I got a PM that I'm a planeteer. Lets explore space together.

@Koshi: you can't answer me, but pretty sure your ability can't have been this. This is about as close to an innocent child role I'm gonna get in a greymist game. It's absurd how good this ability is. We should even be able to use it afterward as a list cop ability, as I assume each side has at least 1 mafia or it'd screw over town. Too bad I got stuck with all the scummers over here.

@dirkzor: still think you're town, and I think hapa is 3p. So has to be onegu, grack or shockeyyy, who got put here through some kind of voodoo.

I smelt town on grack early on, so we lynch onegu or shockeyy. Will filter them this afternoon.

On October 30 2020 15:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I didn’t say that.

On November 03 2020 02:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Honestly, the more I read TT's filter, the more I reallllly regret shooting him.

On November 03 2020 02:09 Koshi wrote:

No sorry. I wanted to play with iamp a bit. But it didnt work out. Went south a lot.

On October 31 2020 08:46 Alakaslam wrote:

Is it really at all balanced ever to have equal scum and town in a thread?

On October 31 2020 06:31 Alakaslam wrote:
So one of us is definitely mafia here

On October 31 2020 04:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Well I’m not sure where I stand man, we are the smaller thread and the fact that they aren’t 6-6 has me wondering if there could be no scum here.

I’m gonna see if no lynching is allowed. If acro’s power is scum power, then is double lynching really in our best interest on this side?

On that side, they need to consolidate hard.

Like think about this:

If the scum team has all the information, they know the corruption counter will go up and hide our votes. Then they split the threads, and one is all town and the other is “lylo” per se. But in the lylo thread, they can just stack their own votes with anyone who votes wrong and still guarantee a ML.

Like it seems super powerful but why else is it 7/5 instead of 6/6?

On October 31 2020 12:50 Alakaslam wrote:

Crap you are right

So there could be just one scum each or 3, or even 4? If town has super op roles?

On October 31 2020 06:33 Alakaslam wrote:
Potentially two

Koshi so certian TT is town.

TT said... anything so far? I will reread and then comment and then drive

On November 03 2020 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think shockeyy is pretty much confirmed town by game mechanics & role interactions.

On November 03 2020 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yeah i understand that, i am thinking why does he do that? who's mafia so he thinks none of the threads split that way lynches mafia?

On November 03 2020 02:17 Koshi wrote:

Nha I'll pass

On October 31 2020 08:40 Koshi wrote:

True. But no fucking way he is an immortal doctor unless RB'ed.

His claim stinks.

It fucking stinks rayn.


But w.e.

I dont want to waste time on this.

On October 31 2020 08:23 Koshi wrote:
Shockey might be town. But the story he tells is even more unlikely than dirkzor. So I am going to go with Shockey is mafia trying to turn something that happened this night in his favor.

He claims he is a bodyguard that protected iamp that wouldnt die if not iamp but he is shot.

I guess that could be a role. The problem is. Shockey being shot over iamp??? Hahahahahahaha

Why wasnt scum kp rb?
Why wasnt for example rayn shot and rayn medic saved?
Why was not nk more favorable to mafia?


And then this very annoying dumb cockyness dripping from his posts... Also. Is he doing anything really?

The only thing I am hesitant about is his willingness to stand in the spotlight if he is mafia.

That would be odd. A bit. So w.e.

On October 31 2020 08:27 Koshi wrote:
Bodyguard bussdriver that doesnt die if shot himself.

Yeahhhhh.

And then he believes mafia actually shot him.

Yeahhhhh.

Maybe town being delussional. Maybe mafia pretending to be delussional. I dont know. Yet.

On October 31 2020 08:30 Koshi wrote:
So basically immortal.

On October 31 2020 08:31 Koshi wrote:

Bussdriver fits. Rest seems unlikely.

Best lies hold some truth.

On October 31 2020 08:36 Koshi wrote:

He said that they mafia lost kp because they shot him or held their shot.

He didnt say "shot us".

Read better rayn.


He clearly states twice that mafia did not shoot iamp but him for the kp to go missing.

On October 31 2020 08:42 Koshi wrote:

Maybe somebody else can help you. I dont even know what you are arguing.

Something about why mafia shockey wouldnt or couldnt lie about mafia kp and his own role.

On October 31 2020 08:46 Koshi wrote:
I shall sleep and dream about my role pm being an immortal doctor that saves somebody each night. I am so happy about it and tell the thread. Exposing the most powerful role ever fucking created so mafia can rb and kill me.

Then I wake up screaming due to realizing I am the dumbest person ever to have played an immortal doctor that cant be killed.

On October 31 2020 08:47 Koshi wrote:
Well. At least that is the dreamworld rayn believes shockey lives in.

Good times good times.

On October 31 2020 08:48 Koshi wrote:

You care about that while the guy claims IMMORTAL DOCTOR THAT NEVER CAN BE KILLED NOR HIS TARGET??????

On October 31 2020 08:49 Koshi wrote:
Also. I believe shockey actually claims he would die if his target it shot. But without actually saying it.

But maybe not.

Anyway. Pretty sure rayn made me trash up the thread.

On October 31 2020 09:31 Koshi wrote:

If that is his role. Why didnt he use those words? That I understand.

No it has to be a convoluted mess...

Oh well. Again. Not saying he is mafia. Just saying there is a chance he is not telling a full truth.

On October 31 2020 09:34 Koshi wrote:
Also. It reads more like a bodyguard.

And @Shockey. Maybe you should try to explain things better instead of being a jackass claiming people cant read. While nobody here understands your roleclaim fully because you cant explain shit propperly.

On October 31 2020 09:36 Koshi wrote:
1 question. How they you think you absorbed the nk? Did you get shot directly. Did iamp get shot and you took the bullet. Both. Neither. A combination.

On October 31 2020 09:44 Koshi wrote:

Sure. You can roll 1000 dice and all are 6. Everything is possible.

Also the fact with how confusing the day and night was. The lack of time and how he focussed on things I focussed on. The names he summed up. The names he didnt sum up.

Nha. Town mindmeld cant change my mind.

On November 01 2020 04:34 Koshi wrote:
About dirkzor I have no opinion. Probably 3p or is this mafia pushing the corruption higher? No idea.

I dont see why he is town atm.

Onegu no clue. Also no cares.

On November 01 2020 04:37 Koshi wrote:
I am voting for slam

## Vote slam

On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

On November 03 2020 02:54 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ehhhh I’m not happy with why we’re only allowed to vote those four people... it seems like a mafia ability to trade in KP so you can only vote townies...

On November 03 2020 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:

He is saying you said you dont wanna waste time on shockeyy's claim and then all your posts after that are about shockeyy's claim.

On November 03 2020 03:26 Koshi wrote:
Very clearly I said to lynch acro. I jumped on acro immediately.

And in our thread I said to lynch Slam which is still very much likely the correct idea. It is not my fault you dumbasses killed a mindmelded townie and now want to kill the townie who stood up for him.
Like if TTTTT is town you fuckers completely misread him, and refused to believe another townie claiming a full mindmeld. You know how sgitty that is?

On November 03 2020 07:51 Alakaslam wrote:
TT flip matters a lot. What I read so far didn’t really seem illuminating to me at all.

Obviously can’t vote yama for mayor so Rayn gets my vote.

My role is expendable at this point. At least, stuff would have to happen to make me useful.

On November 03 2020 03:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I mean:

If TT is mafia and Slam is town there is a decent chance Koshi is mafia.
If TT is town and Slam is mafia Koshi is always town i think.
If TT and Slam are both mafia then Koshi is obviously always town
If TT and Slam are both town then Koshi is always mafia.

On November 03 2020 09:38 Alakaslam wrote:

“I know, I’ll vote for the dude who says I should be lynched!”

Obviously I can’t vote you.

Anyway.

Now that I am back at my teaching job and life is cool.

Iamp is lock town.
Hapa is more questionable than he was.
Onegu is general onegu which is similar to myself. Not a lot of time to play so low quality play in general. Makes it easier for scum to hide. If Iamp hadn’t been so quick to jump down my throat, his statements on Onegu would sway me.

Yama is clearly town.
My read on Koshi largely depends on how TT flips.
Rayn is obvious town to me.
Grackaroni is way in the background. Scum lean.
ShoCkeyy is too complex for me to disbelieve right now. Kill him if he lasts long.

Dirkzor is town IMO.

On November 03 2020 10:44 Alakaslam wrote:

To be fair, I agree. If I were mafia, how could that guarantee Koshi is not also my partner? Pretty secure bus when nobody was listening to him. Defending an inactive is nice free towncred too.

On November 03 2020 12:12 Grackaroni wrote:
So I take it Hapa officially claimed 3rd party.

On October 29 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote:


I try to present my reads in a very constructed format.

That all being said, I'm having a bit of a hard time thinking about how I want to approach this game, because my role has two win conditions. One is that I can win with town, and the other is... a bit strange, but potentially pro-town. I may choose to reveal more as I learn more about the setup.

On November 03 2020 13:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:
What’s up with all these “town” saying to lynch me at some point? Literally no one has counter claimed my insurance license. Why would I, confirmed town, need to be lynched at some point...?

On November 03 2020 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You seriously think so? I mean, if TT ends up being town and Slam mafia, then Koshi has had the best reads in this game. No matter how much he is or isnt trying to convince people he has still had the best reads hands down.

And that's something you will kever even consider lynching before lylo when all cards will be put on table.

On November 03 2020 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you voting for me slam? Have you even read the thread?

On November 03 2020 07:51 Alakaslam wrote:
TT flip matters a lot. What I read so far didn’t really seem illuminating to me at all.

Obviously can’t vote yama for mayor so Rayn gets my vote.

My role is expendable at this point. At least, stuff would have to happen to make me useful.

On November 03 2020 15:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please let me know who else has thought that acro is mafia, tt is town and slam is mafia, yamato? At least noone in our thread did since we all voted for tt.

On November 01 2020 13:21 yamato77 wrote:
I just got off work and caught up with this thread. I'm fine lynching TT if he's not at all going to post this cycle

On November 03 2020 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont understand what you are trying to say. TT didnt post during the day. I dont care what happened during N1 regarding him.

I am nalking about slam here. Because the scenario we are talking about includes slam being mafia.

Are you saying you didnt vote for TT after all?

Or are you saying you voted for TT but didnt actually think he is mafia????

If not either, then its you know like... proven that koshis reads have been better on flipped people assuming the scenario we are talking about here. Idk why this is so hard to understand.

On November 03 2020 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you know if you get to talk normally at some point?

N2?

D3?

On November 03 2020 03:26 Koshi wrote:
Very clearly I said to lynch acro. I jumped on acro immediately.

And in our thread I said to lynch Slam which is still very much likely the correct idea. It is not my fault you dumbasses killed a mindmelded townie and now want to kill the townie who stood up for him.
Like if TTTTT is town you fuckers completely misread him, and refused to believe another townie claiming a full mindmeld. You know how sgitty that is?

On October 30 2020 15:56 yamato77 wrote:
I'm checking Rayn. I don't trust him. His "claim" makes no sense to me and he refuses to say anything to anyone and is basically only antagonistic to people trying to build trust and consensus.

On October 29 2020 13:40 yamato77 wrote:
If I had a gun I would shoot Shockey. His posts read as smug and flippant and that's a general scumtell in my book. I no longer really want to send him because he refuses to be more open about much of anything.

On November 01 2020 04:37 Koshi wrote:
I am voting for slam

## Vote slam

On November 03 2020 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait you voted for slam?

On November 03 2020 16:12 yamato77 wrote:

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On November 01 2020 04:37 Koshi wrote:
I am voting for slam

## Vote slam

On November 03 2020 03:26 Koshi wrote:
Very clearly I said to lynch acro. I jumped on acro immediately.

And in our thread I said to lynch Slam which is still very much likely the correct idea. It is not my fault you dumbasses killed a mindmelded townie and now want to kill the townie who stood up for him.
Like if TTTTT is town you fuckers completely misread him, and refused to believe another townie claiming a full mindmeld. You know how sgitty that is?

On October 30 2020 15:56 yamato77 wrote:
I'm checking Rayn. I don't trust him. His "claim" makes no sense to me and he refuses to say anything to anyone and is basically only antagonistic to people trying to build trust and consensus.

On October 29 2020 13:40 yamato77 wrote:
If I had a gun I would shoot Shockey. His posts read as smug and flippant and that's a general scumtell in my book. I no longer really want to send him because he refuses to be more open about much of anything.

On November 03 2020 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think lynching Slam is the correct play here.

On November 03 2020 01:43 Onegu wrote:
Also no idea why we aren't looking at people who were in the other thread. Unless shockky/ IAMp are red there is a scum there 100%. Also since 12 players and we are assuming to believe hapas 3p claim there are normally going to be 3 scum in a game like this. So if we assume 3 scum there is only a 50% chance there is another in the group who stayed in this thread... And 100% there is at least 1 and 50% there is more...

On November 03 2020 16:43 Dirkzor wrote:
Maybe he is trying to say he have a scumtell on koshi because "antagonistic to people trying to build trust and consensus." "His posts read as smug... and that's a general scumtell in my book."

On November 02 2020 23:31 Onegu wrote:
When the fuck do I ever play like a good townie?

My role is get shot and then I can sacrifice myself to prevent all day and night kills including the lynch for a full day night cycle.

On November 03 2020 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You saying he is scumhunting or thinking about the game critically too much, basically?

On November 02 2020 23:22 Onegu wrote:
Also I didnt scum read acro. It looked like that was who I was supposed to vote for so that is who I voted for... I forget who asked me that...

On November 03 2020 23:16 Dirkzor wrote:
But i can see a Slam/Onegu scum team.

On November 03 2020 23:33 Koshi wrote:

About that last sentence.

That is not happening in this thread.

So don't know why or how I should answer on something that is not happening.


I said there is a chance he is mafia due to his obsession with me over Slam.
I said he is more likely being bad town atm. The fact I say town is because of the things you say.
etc

And I say all that because he is going to pick a lynch and I feel way better with somebody like hapa. If he wants to scumclaim that is fine. If Yamato lynches me there is a chance it is fine and dandy.

On November 03 2020 23:37 Koshi wrote:

No not poop.

If at any point you claim it was always equal and deep down you knew I could be town then I call you a big fat liar.

On November 03 2020 23:40 Koshi wrote:
liar big fat liar

On November 03 2020 23:46 iamperfection wrote:
i dont get how you can edit quotes yamato but have to talk like that.

On November 04 2020 00:23 Koshi wrote:
Kinda only left with a full claim or better

On November 04 2020 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato, you may not edit, right?

can you

bold
italisise
underline
strike ?

On November 04 2020 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

why didnt you poop on this?

On November 04 2020 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also want to see TT flip before commiting into lynching based on THAT flip as i kinda am now and i cant convince myself think otherwise. Let's kill Hapa, if not for anything else just for that he doesnt win

On November 04 2020 04:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Dear Rayn,

Everyone takes different joys from a game of mafia. Personally, I get my sole satisfaction from this game from lynching correctly, and nothing else in this game comes close. From my conversations with you, you seem to, rather admirably, enjoy the arguments, the drama, and the "puzzle" of the thread. Maybe there is some grand conspiracy in this game. Maybe Acro was part of a larger scheme. Maybe I am the leader of a sleeper cell slowly finding my compatriots. Maybe I have some nefarious 3p mechanic that is slowly converting townies to my cause and turning into my Army of horse minions. I already got Yamato clearly. Who's next?

But unfortunately, I either know or doubt most of that to be true. Why? Because this is a boring game.

This is a boring game where a mafia player got lynched on Day 1.

There was zero resistance to his lynch on a day with hidden ballots.

There was zero resistance to his lynch on a day where town was thrown into chaos with parallel worlds.

This is not because of some grand conspiracy. This is because mafia is likely playing inactively and badly.

If you want to look down rabbit holes, then so be it. You find it fun, so part of you no doubt wants to believe the game isn't boring and explore those holes.

But it's not fun for me. It shits up the thread, makes it harder for me to read, and harder for me to find mafia. And I won't play that game with you, even if I get lynched for it.

Warmest Regards,
Hapa

On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

On November 04 2020 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sorry yamato, youre gonna be bad :/

On November 04 2020 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hapa shot TT, only to say he made a mistake after.
iamp voted for TT, only to now say he is prolly town.

Both of those people dont make mistakes, or if they do, very rarely. Coincidence?

On November 04 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.

On November 04 2020 08:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Yes.

On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

On November 04 2020 08:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I mean, I immediately sussed out Acro.

On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

On November 04 2020 08:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:




My only other thought is that mafia "RB" themselves on purpose if TT wasn't actually rb. These are just my hypotheticals on how Hapa could possibly be mafia.

On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

On November 04 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.

On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

On November 04 2020 10:11 Alakaslam wrote:
I’m always it in certain people’s eyes because I’m bad. Well forgive me. I’ve been posting less, I give some reads but it always circles back to Onegu and I am scum and I need to claim potato. Well I already have.

On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

On November 04 2020 10:11 Alakaslam wrote:
I’m always it in certain people’s eyes because I’m bad. Well forgive me. I’ve been posting less, I give some reads but it always circles back to Onegu and I am scum and I need to claim potato. Well I already have.

On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

On November 04 2020 10:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Slam....... WHO'S MISSING FROM THOSE QUOTES?

On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

On November 04 2020 10:19 Alakaslam wrote:

Eh? I was not noticing this.

On November 03 2020 00:32 iamperfection wrote:
yamato put a carrot next to who you kill as mayor

2. Hapahauli

3. Grackaroni

4. Onegu

5. Dirkzor

7. ShoCkeyy

8. Alakaslam

9. Tictock

10. Koshi

11. Raynpelikoneet

12. Yamato77

On November 04 2020 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

and you didnt even tell me who is mafia.

On November 04 2020 10:19 Alakaslam wrote:

Eh? I was not noticing this.

On November 04 2020 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

and you didnt even tell me who is mafia.

On November 04 2020 08:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Did you read into the last few pages?

On November 04 2020 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

and you didnt even tell me who is mafia.

On November 04 2020 10:21 iamperfection wrote:
yamato is asking you guys who you think is mafia if you cant tell by his bolds.

On November 04 2020 08:59 Onegu wrote:



Currently reading...

On November 04 2020 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

and you didnt even tell me who is mafia.

On November 04 2020 10:24 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh

Well that

Oh

Oh my goodness

Ok I am slow. Maybe because as Iamp said, he wouldn’t include himself and I have had him as basically not on the table.

Well sheeeeit.

On November 04 2020 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

and you didnt even tell me who is mafia.

On November 04 2020 10:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:
LOL IAMPERFECTION is the one missing... Yamato is included in the list post...