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socialist countries... something something... profit. | ||
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No PMs? Can scum talk outside thread or what do you mean by no PMs? | ||
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what do do with the corruption counter thingy? Organize it so it doesn't go up or what do you think? | ||
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The TL Mafia Database The TL Mafia Database is a wealth of information, and has assisted players with their quest for victory in many games. Sadly, it is in a sorry state of disrepair. Weakening security protocols and new technology has enabled greater access, but more serious danger of Aperture Science infiltration. Without proper care, the database will destabilize with disastrous results. Each night, a player, instead of performing any action they may have, may visit the database and target another player. You will recieve a clue about that player's role or the setup at large. You can choose to learn whether your target has a role that has been in a previous aperture game before, If your target has activated some part of their role, what modifiers, if any, are currently affecting your target, or what effect the next stage of corruption level will cause. Because your connection to the database is unencrypted, Aperture Science will learn who you have targeted, but not the information you obtain. Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways. If no players visit the Database, it will continue to destabilize, causing the Corruption Counter to increase by 1. In addition, if too many people (half a majority of players alive - for example, 4 players with 12 players alive) visit the database, the corruption counter will increase by 1. At corruption levels of 1, 3, and 5, a special effect will occur that will modify the game in some way. I think it would be nice to know what happens when the corruption counter increase. So maybe we could have 1 person check that and report back tomorrow. 4 people using this device (unless other, better, night actions available) does seem like a good strategy for us. The more info we have the easier it gets to find scum/third parties... | ||
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On October 28 2020 21:12 Acrofales wrote: Wait. You *want* corruption to increase?!!! Is it scummy to not read and understand setup? I bolded a part in the spoiler. A person who uses the database can check what happens at the next corruption level. I want to know what that is. I might not be negative (i assume it is) but knowing is good. | ||
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On October 28 2020 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry, i am not calling you stupid Acrofales. I mainly never understand your train of thought and why you do the stuff you do and ask the questions you do, because to me most of the time they seem worthless and i dont understand how you can deduct any alignment indicative things from the answers. I mean like, you asked me if i am mafia or if i am a third faction. How on earth you think i am giving you any other answer than "no" regardless of my affiliation and how on earth that answer can tell you anything about my alignment? That's why i think the questions are stupid and i dont see a point in answering them. That's the only thing you have interacted with me. I dont genuinely have any reason to "avoid you" regardless of my alignment. I am basically just going to wait for more people to post, corruption counter is interesting. Especially to see what people want to do with it. It actually CAN tell something about someone's alignment. I mean like i think Dirkzor is town already. Are you scum?  | ||
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On October 28 2020 22:01 Dirkzor wrote: Is it scummy to not read and understand setup? I bolded a part in the spoiler. A person who uses the database can check what happens at the next corruption level. I want to know what that is. I might not be negative (i assume it is) but knowing is good. I found the answer: Its not scummy I want to send the maximum amount of people to the database without increasing the corruption. Today that would be 3. one of them should figure out what increasing the corruption does... | ||
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If we can find a viable way to do that I would be for it. People can volunteer? And we take it from there. I assume that a lot have some sort of night action because of the wording in OP but i really dont have a clue. | ||
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On October 28 2020 23:06 iamperfection wrote: I find it strange you care so much about this? You think figuring out roles and setup will help solve game. I don't think it will help that much their are probably way to many hidden mechanics to coordinate successfuly. If anything discovering more about the setup will probably just help mafia. | ||
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On October 28 2020 23:06 iamperfection wrote: I find it strange you care so much about this? You think figuring out roles and setup will help solve game. I don't think it will help that much their are probably way to many hidden mechanics to coordinate successfuly. If anything discovering more about the setup will probably just help mafia. I wrote my reply inside the quote train somewhere... Here it is: What else is there to do at this point? Talk about how a giant smiley is indicating scum or town? Its also, imo, a way to get people talking to the point where we have something more relevant to talk about. But mostly im just curious. I the kind of guy who want to know... because... just because. (see question about Monadel from before game start.) Its a puzzle i can crack | ||
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I thought rayn was pretty town in the beginning. Then he started to shit on the thread and basicly just post his every thought with no real goal. Also you totally have a tone and not a nice one. I had a town read on him last game (the mini, I was obs) and he was the same aggressive type. He was scum. I think lamp is being to soft on his opinions and fold every time rayn push back. I think hapa is being honest is his claim though I don't know why you would claim it as he did. Shockeys first post was super weird and was a "hi im here. Don't mind me. I'm super town" sort of post. Also his whole send me to database just trust me is also weird. I have no clue I think a acro is town. His deduction of my own initial posts are spot on with my thinking at the time. Yamato I think is town. His first post have a similar entry to the game as my own so that aligns with my thoughts. (Shit I'm on phone... can't do this no more.) | ||
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I'm claiming named town. I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson. I've been thinking about this for a while now. I wasnt sure how to play this out or what do to. But i figured the best way to do it was to be open about it so that town can benefit the most from the information i am about to give. I have a 1 shot ability (##Commence Space-Time Destabilization) that in 5 phases town will give a great benefit to town. Some kind of hint/info will be sent to me. I don't know what it is though. The downside is that the corruption level will increase by 1. (the flavor is that i spend a lot of database capacity to study "Event Horizon Level" and spent 5 phases doing that and will then have found the answer) Further more I will show up as "3rd party" or "not town" if someone check my alignment. (i wasn't sure if this was town to write this. But my thought was that i'd rather be upfront and let you make your own conclusion instead of being checked N1 and then fight the uphill battle with the rest of the town and let mafia ride it out) I also have a somewhat useful night action (for town) that i won't disclose for now. I thought about what this will mean going further: This will put a target on my back. I'm hoping i can be protected. And if not it will help other townies to come to their own conclusion. This might be disruptive on the short term, but i hope the long term gain out weight this. I wanted to do this as early as possible so to get the info as soon as possible. And figuring we dont vote on this day i thought it would be better to do it now rather than later. I don't know what the corruption increase will do, but i'm willing to take that risk. I hope you do too. I didn't want to ask about this since it would be a whole lot of discussion where no-one knew anything anyway, and if we ended agreeing that i shouldn't do it, people would wonder if i actually could or not. Anyway. Thats my claim. The timer should show up in thread so you can see my ability is real. I'm in meeting the next 7 hours, but will do the multitask thingy =) | ||
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On October 29 2020 01:34 ShoCkeyy wrote: hi and bye. Got meetings, just woke up, and caught up on thread from bed. I'm sure I'll need to re-read but lets say some one from the player list is mafia! Who were you thinking was scum from your first initial read? You never came back to this... And do you still think so? | ||
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On October 29 2020 13:11 Grackaroni wrote: What are you looking for? If it's a lemon I've been searching for 8 years and if it's a banana I didn't give it to you. Is this just a funny post or somehow related to your/Onegu's abilities/interactions? Also why don't you have an opinion on anyone? (well to be fair, Other than hapa's claim) | ||
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I have no idea what that means so i have no real thought about it. If he is town i would expect him to explain what is does and why he is doing it. Or at the very least try to explain why he can't say anything. I started skimming rayns filter and he started of being constructive and then spiralled down into a mess of shitposting. I don't know what to do with it. He had a bed day? | ||
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On October 29 2020 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think found a loophole in matrix. explain please... | ||
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I'm also noting that greymist didn't do anything. This might mean nothing or it might mean it was a fake ability. Why rayn would do that i don't know. That's why i want more information. Right now it doesn't mean anything without any context and that makes me think its scummy. | ||
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On October 29 2020 19:45 Acrofales wrote: It's a greymist game, people posting weird shit in the thread and that having a public, private or no effect at all is kinda par for the course. I don't really read too much into people activating abilities until it's clear what happened. Like in your case, it was clear that whatever you did, caused an event horizon to appear and the corruption to increase. We then have to believe you that the event horizon counter thingy is a good thing. I am choosing to do so. Speaking of, why didn't the event horizon counter decrease with the phase change? I dont know. I thought it would decrease at each phase end. Maybe its a whole phase. My pm just says "...decreasing by 1 each phase." So... thats not how i thought it would work. I agree it might not mean anything, but it still worth noting for the future. | ||
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On October 29 2020 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think i am gonna go to the database N0, i dont think i want to take any other action tonight. Any suggestions who i should be checking? People i am not going to check in any case because they are town, are: Shockeyy Dirkzor Iamperfection I dont know how many to send. (if we think we can control any of this). sending at least 1 seems undeniable good. so does sending more than 3. here is how i see it: sending 1 person: Gives us the chance to semi-check that person. if they go we get the info they give and can make our reads of that. If they dont go we can see it in the corruption increasing - thus making them scum for not playing with town. If we end up sending a mafia (or any 2 player faction) they can swap between them if one have a better night action than the other. We would have a hard time knowing if this happened. edit after writing the other scenarios below: This opens up to someone going that we didn't choose. They can then use this information for themselves. Sending 2 persons: Similar to above, but one of the 2 can just not go and do their nightaction anyway. Then we can only make our reads from the info they then have to fake. Sending 3: Gets us the most info since we get 3 different kinds of hints. BUT its so easy for scum and/or 3p to go themselves to increase corruption. Last scenario: Not deciding on anything and let people figure it out on their own. This option will not really give us any infomation going forward as we dont have anything to compare to. all in all i think we should send 1 or 2. None seems like a missed opportunity. 3 seems risky if we want to keep the corruption low. Now i dont have time to figure who should go or what they need to check. Hopefully i can get to that later... | ||
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On October 29 2020 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Dirkzor, do you know what level 1 corruption does? Do you know what any level does? No i have no clue. I thought it would be a clear cut change. But it wasnt. Maybe some abilities/power only become active once it increase? I'm guessing here. Havent played other greymist games so.... | ||
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I on the fence about rayn. Some of his posting seems really townie. His (smoke induced?) ramblings from last night is not a very typical thing for a scum player to do. They know its too easy to fuck up and get caught. At the same time he lied. LIED. openly and admitted it. Thats not a very townie thing to do. And the explaination is very weak too. "I had a plan. Forget that. Made new plan. I lied, but trust me now". He even waits a few post before explaining that he no longer know shockeys alignment. If you plan changed shouldnt you tell town? I dont know. Its just such a weird thing to lie about. Onegu could be whatever. I want you to start posting about something other than your lost items. We get it now. Who is scum and why? Everyone have a town read on Iamp. Myself included. That somehow worries me. Koshi? You out there? Post now. TicT makes a ton of sense imo. Grack is most likely scum. Not that many posts. Just enough to not be at the bottom. No real follow through on anything. He don't like my claim but doesnt do anything with it beside stating it. Why not push me if you think im a liar. | ||
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I vote that only 1 go. I dont care who but only one. Seems so much easier to get some information about if that person actually went or not. I dont really have an opinion about who. I can't figure out who should go. Iamp? Everyone think he is town and he sorta wanted to. He also havent been pushing the idea like some other people and i like sending one that does really really want to go i case they are 3p or some shit. Check Rayn because i dont get it. or check grack because he is scum or check the corruption counter Last but not least: All of you who said everyone should go are stupid. How will you control if everyone went? It only takes 4 people for the counter to increase leaving 8 (eight!!!) people to do as they fucking want and we wont know. With the setup being at it is they can just write something convoluted and no one would know better. | ||
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On October 30 2020 04:25 ShoCkeyy wrote: Dirk, you have been granted entry into my town list from slightly town. What are your thoughts on me? As for rayn, I've seen rayn lie many times as town. In our last game, he basically lied that he was cop, he was just VT, to try and save me if I'm recalling correctly. well its stupid. And you should think so too. You voted for a guy who lied and turned out to be town. There is nothing wrong with voting on a guy who lies. Regarding you alignment (just skimmed your filter):Im leaning scum. You list of read are so low effort its laughable. YOu dont even react to my claim even tho you mention it. Your posts dont make sense. You said you are the best person to go check the database but then later it "whatever". | ||
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slight mafia lean grack - i think it's easy to look town with how Grack posts, while still being mafia, so i'm null.. Its like what? is it a mafie lean or a null? Reads to me like you wanted to bus your teammate just a little by putting him under slight mafia and then couldnt think of a thing that makes him scum so you wrote null... You also called him town and scum in the same sentence. You have zero interaction with grack and vice versa Soon going to bed. | ||
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On October 30 2020 04:47 ShoCkeyy wrote: Why should I react? We're still on N0, I barely even want to post all my thoughts. I am the best person to go check the database. I know this for a fact. However others don't want me to which is why I say "whatever". Its not that you should react. Many havent reacted. Its the fact that you did and then didnt at all anyway. You made a list. And one of my most important posts you just sorta forget but remembers anyway? If you know that you going to the database is a huge win for town why not try to make it work? Prove to the rest of us that it would be the best idea. Instead you give up. And you didn't even properly try. | ||
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iamp: I've tried to be as open as possible. Ask and i will answer to the best of my ability. | ||
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On October 30 2020 05:07 iamperfection wrote: i just dont understand why you would claim like that and request protection. only you get a hint when bascially everyone can get a hint every night if they go to the database? You need to survive 5 phases why would you volunteer that information? I don't know if it will be a hint or what. It says it will be of benefit for town and sent to me. I dont know. Maybe its a master check on everyone at once (sounds to OP tho)? I wrote it up front because there is a count down. So it would be transparent later on anyway. And dont say you wouldn't have asked: "Level 5 - what does that mean?" This way i wrote all the information i have and let town decide what to do with it. Protect me if you want or dont. I dont even know if there is protection in this game. I think my claim is also so much in the grey area that scum might even not KP me and try to get me lynched instead. So it might go either way. | ||
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On October 30 2020 05:10 Onegu wrote: The first part of this is laughably bad. When 2 people call you scum doesnt even matter. Do you think we are both scum and said in our QT hey lets say shockeyy is scum in 10. 9. 8. 7. 6. 5. 4. 3. 2. 1. The second part I have no idea about. Dont care about grack as I havent seen him say anything about me... Why dont you care about grack? even if he havent said anything about you, caring about him figuring out his alignment is important yes? Also i agree that 2 people posting at the same time would be weird as scum. But you jumping on my (and others) scum read is not... | ||
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Regarding my thoughts on the database which some of you have questioned. I initial thoughts was to send 3 people to get as much info as possible without increasing corruption. I don't see corruption increasing to be anything positive for us - especially because my role ability makes it out to be a price payed for a town benefit later. With that in mind i changed my opinion to send 1 or 2 so that corruption didn't increase and ending on sending 1 since it would be easier to "control" the events and thus gain infomation from that. I have never said sending everyone was a good idea. Quite the oppsite actually. I called people idiots for saying it. I think the setup is convuluted enough that people can claim to have gone to the database, make stuff up and we would never know. All if this should be clear if you actually read my posts instead of just guessing... That being said. I dont think we are at a point where there are consensus about who goes, checking what or how many. So if the corruption increase anyway we might aswell send as many as possible. I won't be going. I welcome any check on me. Both my role and what corruption level increase. My role isnt affected my the level of corruption besides that my one off ability would increase it by 1. | ||
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twice he have called my claim sus without really doing anything with it. Trying to build pressure without taking responsibility. And rest of posting are just sort of there. | ||
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On October 30 2020 10:53 iamperfection wrote: the named VT part seems strange too im pretty sure you always have a name in greymist games? Btw i never claimed VT. I also a night action. | ||
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On October 30 2020 16:33 yamato77 wrote: I personally think the best lynch tomorrow is Acro. Onegu and Grack I don't really expect much from as town, so it's a crapshoot to try to lynch them. I made my case on Acro and that has largely gone unresponded to so I stand by it. To be fair your buried your acro "case" in a the last paragraph in a very long post. I do think acro is also a but scummy, but not as much as grack. After reading his acros filter i stumbled upon one of his very first posts: On October 28 2020 20:16 Acrofales wrote: Koshi, Dirkzor. Where are you? Rayn? You scum? Why ask to Koshi? He have posted once and that was his /in. No reason to think he was here. Myself and ray had just posted before game start so make sense... but not Koshi. | ||
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Rayn claiming to know Shockey is town to only recind that later as part of a master plan Shockeys claim to be the best to visit the database only to claim later to be doc. I would rate being able to save someone higher than some random hint. Even if the chance is quite low to actually save someone this early. Hapa's claim to be town but having a 3rd win con that may or may not align with town - and also dont worry i will play only for town. (add my own claim if you want) Of the 3 claims i sort of understand hapa's (and my own ofc). But the other 2 are so weird in their claim and execution i have no words to describe it. But since i cant see it helping town i assume they must be scum. Am i overthinking these role claims or are you also thinking this? | ||
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Corruption counter lvl 1 made this a hidden vote. So not great for us, but not the end of the world. I will assume lvl 3 and 5 gives similar obstacles for us (prolly more severe). @acrofales: Explain your action. what exactly could you control and what couldnt you control? Why do you assume there is a mafia in each group? @hapa: You went to the database but got roleblocked, correct? @who else visited the database and what did you discover? (goes to people in the other thread too!) For future reference: Players in this group D1: 2. Hapahauli 3. Grackaroni 4. Onegu 5. Dirkzor 6. Acrofales 7. ShoCkeyy | ||
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I think we should lynch Grack. | ||
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It should be obvious to post all votes clearly in the thread at the same time as sending the PM (im not against voting in thread and sending PM later just as long as its clearly written its a thread only vote or something) From a claims stand point these 5 have no claimed: Rayn (town with some ability with a ring - see planeteers maybe? (earlier claimed some shit that turned out to be a lie)) Hapa (Town with 3p wincon) Acrofales (Now VT town, former threadsplitter) Onegu (VT who lost an item and will then become blue) Shockey (Claim to best to go to database, then later claimed Doc) Myself (Town with a count down with but at a cost) Am i forgetting anyone? I cant keep track anymore. I dont know where im going with this actually... Anyway ##Vote Grackaroni (thread only for now) Lets see if we can lure him out with something. | ||
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On October 31 2020 03:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: Ok so I protected iamperfection, and him and I did switch spots, my role also redirects actions. However, the no kill can either be mafia held their shot (idk if they can do this, I'll re-read the op), or they shot me and I didn't die cause I can't die due to the power of insurance. Wait what? Your role protects and redirect. Makes no sense really. If someone shoots the one you protected they would shoot you. You are claiming you can protect self and target and also bus drive? Seems super convoluted. Anyway i think we lynch acro or shockey now. Im leaning acro for now but im at dinner with friend and only glanced quickly. Well check again to tomrrow. | ||
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Had some wine. Going to bed. Can you explain how you got to this? Not voting shockey and then onegu instead? | ||
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Ive read your interaction where you call eachother scum. To be honest i dont understand either of your perspectives. Can you guys explain it like im 5? It also seems like you have both backed off. Why? | ||
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On October 31 2020 15:07 ShoCkeyy wrote: Slam, no one has claimed super op roles, other than what may be Dirk, and it's hard to trust dirk with the +1 corrupt and asking for 3+ people to visit. I only asked for 4 people in the beginning, which was me reading op wrong. I changed that. I later suggested 1-2 and called people idiots for suggesting the everyone went. If i compare my ability with yours shock, i find yours super OP. What the downside? And to make it absolutely clear: you are busdriving vet? So protection is a one off? | ||
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Thats not explaining it like im 5 and i still dont get it. Please elaborate. | ||
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I initially thought that either shock or acro needed to be scum after their little shouting match. I no longer think so. But that doesn't make them both town either. Acrofales ability to split the game in 2 can be either town or scum. So i wont make my read of that. Shockeys ability does seem like a town ability. But that sonly if the claim is true. What if scum witheld their KP to claim what they did (hence making shockeys scum). I dont think mafia knew what the corruption counter would do. I think thats the unknown for both (all?) sides. If acrofales was scum it would benefit him to use his split ability the day we had hidden votes. But as i said i think it is a coincidence. I still think grack is out best lynch followed by onegu at this point. Hopefully i get around to make a real case on grack later. For now lets just say he havent done anything. He promised a filterdive that never came. He pushes only a little bit but never for reals (my claim and also in the shocks/acro case). His post with colors is just soo over the top to me. @other thread: you going to no lynch or what is the plan? What are your thoughts on grack as a lynch here? | ||
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Maybe just lynch onegu for not even trying. And same goes with tictoc/koshi in the other thread. One of the 3 lurkers are bound to be scum. | ||
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Lurker gets lynched. ##vote onegu (thread only for now) | ||
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On November 01 2020 01:09 Grackaroni wrote: Started reading from the top of the game. In the first 10 pages I actually think Acro comes off as townier than anyone. I got overexcited that he'd be scum because I saw Koshi/Rayn bashing on him in the other thread and Hapa pushing him in this one but I think he actually looks townier than Rayn so far. 2nd option to me still seems exceedingly obvious to me. From the start of the game Dirkzor talks about how he wants to check what raising the corruption counter will do and then he raises it by himself anyway mid-day. I would not do that as town in return for what he calls a hint in 5 phases. Whatever he's getting from doing it is empowering himself to achieve his own win condition. I'm quite confident about that. Have you had an origional thought of your own this game? | ||
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Even me talking about corruption counter at the beginning have been mentioned before. Im not upset you don't believe me claim. To be honest of im surprised more havent been critical. Im mad because it seems like your not even trying. I want you to do better. | ||
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On November 01 2020 03:57 Grackaroni wrote: There's no reason why Koshi would never ever be mafia in this game. What does this even mean? its mean absolutely nothing. No one in this game would never ever be mafia. (beside oneself). This is what i mean. You don't try enough. Its just so much nonsense (most of the time). On November 01 2020 01:58 Grackaroni wrote: I had to take a detour to read the wall of Grack. Your push on me seems to have started when I called out your claim to begin with, and now when I mention it again you're complaining that it's unoriginal and people have already talked about it lol. I understand why people are null/scum on me for not contributing but then you start coloring people as scum by association with me. What kind of response did you expect people to give about me. I could do more to try to lynch you. From what I recall from the thread I was the one that gave your claim the most trouble. I think Koshi thought it was non-town as well in the other thread but that came later. I hope you get to that case on me Dirkzor because I want you to be better. We wouldn't want somebody trying to build pressure for a lynch without taking responsibility. @other thread. Could you give me some reasons for lynching Dirkzor? This is so much bull. You can't use my word and turn them around. Thats not how this works. You didnt give my claim trouble. You posted 2 times: one that i was 3rd party with my own agenda and what can be summed down to "hmm" with fancy colors. Thats not giving me trouble. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2020 01:25 Grackaroni wrote: We could theoretically. It might make sense if we think Mafia have better actions than town but it's kind of hard to check who actually goes from the options available. Maybe you could make everybody visit the person above/below them and check whether they have a role that was in a previous aperture game. With that option I think you could at least potentially catch some people lying. On October 30 2020 10:16 Grackaroni wrote: I don't know why people would trust the Dirkzor claim. Press the SPACE TIME DESTABILIZATION in thread to get a powerful ability in 5 phases times. Also you return 3rd party/non-town to checks. hmmm.... I will give my shockey/grack moment was a bit of an overreach. But i wanted to see what came of it. But, as i wrote in a separate post, your whole: "I dont know mafia KP mechanics" sorta gives you a saving grace for now. I don't think mafia would fake not knowing their own abilities. | ||
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##Vote Acrofales (sent to hosts) Will be back tomorrow before lynch to consolidate... We need a clear lynch with clear votes in thread!! That way if we have 2 (or more) mafia in thread they can't change the vote with the hidden mechanic. I will consolidate on most everyone just for this reason. | ||
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On November 01 2020 07:46 Hapahauli wrote: I am still voting Acro. By my count, we have four votes on Acro: Myself, Grack, Dirk Acro is voting Onegu. We do not have positions from Onegu or Shockeyy (although, Shockeyy seemingly thinks Acro is mafia). Thats some impressive counting skills there... We need shocks on acro to get the 4 we need. Onegu is mia so dont count on him. | ||
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can change to onegu if people are around. Dont think they are tho. =/ Wont change vote as i think a lynch is important here unless evryone comfirms. | ||
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On November 01 2020 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: what are you talking about? what the happened in our thread? yamato? If corruption increase so does KP by 1. So if even 1 town goes, and mafia fill up the rest they have +1 KP next night. So i would assume you wouldnt be interested it that? | ||
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Do we really want to chance it with someone we think is mafia? Why not someone we think is town. That person can just claim to have went and say 2/3 others have also gone? How would we know. Maybe make someone we think is town go, and then mafia have to use a lot of manpower to increase it (and thats other night actions they cant use). Btw i don't know how many mafia is left. I just assumed that there would be atleast 2. | ||
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If we send a townie they have to use 2 people to increase corruption and those 2 can't use any nightactions. If there is 2 mafia left (likely i would say) they have to choose between using KP or increasing +1 KP. But if mafia then sac one guy for the +1 KP they then have to use 2 people the next night as i assumed 1 KP per night action. It might not be in their favor to sac a guy if they then can't use the +1 KP anyway. I don't think its clear cut that trying to force a scum to go is the best option. I would prefer not to go, since i have another nightaction, but if town wants me to go i will. | ||
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On November 01 2020 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: My thoughts on Acrofales' no flip: Acro had a jan ability/attribute in his role, he "fully claimed" so that would make him mafia Mafia janned Acro. I don't know why mafia would jan town!Acro because he fully claimed his role as per his words. Town janned Acro. Why the fuck would anyone do that? 3p janned Acro. I don't really see why? So like.. There is also a possibility of a copycat role who gets the first role that dies. Aside from this option it is very hard for me to see why Acro is town mechanic-wise. Explain the jan part? I'm not strong in mafia lingo. | ||
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On November 01 2020 23:37 iamperfection wrote: Dirkzor when you claimed you said the downside was the corruption counter went up by 1 why did you word it that way? I'm not sure what you are asking here? | ||
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Some things really don't add up: He couldn't remember who he voted for in the first place (TT). So he just voted "whatever" (Koshi) hours later because of error and message field empty. But he can remember that the 2nd time around he voted for koshi. (this also being hours later) He doesnt know what PM's went through and which one didnt. Maybe both maybe none. This all means he didnt actually just checked his "sent" messages to see what went through, but he still remembered his 2nd vote (Koshi) off the top of his head. I don't buy it. Also trying to throw shit around on Shockey/Iamp and then later Onegu/TT/Koshi. | ||
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I know the reward for activating my ability is a good thing. 5 phases = reward for town. I know it will also increase corruption by 1. I don't know what corruption increase will do. But seeing as I'm already getting a reward i assumed the corruption increase would be "the downside" = something bad Other than this i guess most of us didn't really think that corruption was a good thing for us? did you? I just had the extra info because of my ability. Makes sense? | ||
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On November 02 2020 04:05 ShoCkeyy wrote: Dude you also are trying to throw shit on me and iamp... you’re not in any better position imo. Thats not true. I've not called Iamp scum at any point. | ||
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On November 02 2020 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: You knew it will increase the corruption level by 1. Okay. You say you don't know what the corruption level increase will do. Okay. You are already getting a reward? How? I thought it was all in 5 phases. Are you on purpose misreading me now? It says so in the first line. 5 phases = Reward. | ||
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My my sake we can lynch Yamato, onegu, TT, slam and onegu just for being useless/lazy/not even trying. I don't even care if they are town anymore. Can you use actually sentences yamato? you're supposed to be the writer. write what the fuck you mean. | ||
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either way, i think "more powerful" does not mean +1 kp. I think a 2 KP mafia side in a 12 player game (even if its only later in game) is too overpowered. What it means, i have no clue. I'm not that strong in roles and it being a greymist game makes it even harder to guess. My best lynch right now would be onegu. I don't like his claim. Considering my own role (and a read through of older aperture roles) his own claim seems so underwhelming. I got the ability you have already seen AND a night action. Onegu have nothing until he gets an item? There must be something more. Maybe my role is the odd one out but who knows. | ||
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Acro being scum is nice. We also learned he controlled the groups. He choose to make them 1-6 7-12. ended up a bit different due to shockeys ability. This gives us some info. There can maximum me one more scum in 2-7. There can maximum be 2 scum on 1+8-12. (see below) It also saids there are maximum 4 scum (in acrofales team, tho i doubt there are 2 scum teams at this point) I now firmly believe that shockeys claim was true. He is town. I have had a town read on Hapa most of the game (despite his claim). He does and think the same way i do. So i think we can find scum in Grack or Onegu. To be honest it could be either. I've had scum read on grack most of this game. His stupid town move did gave me pause. Onegu i explained before. In the 1+8-12 it isnt as clear cut for me. After TickTocs flip we will know more. Iamp have been acting protown the whole game. Don't think we will find scum here. Him not being dead does give me some doubts tho. Rayn is a bit of a rollercoaster for me. His posting is quite town but his claims have been all over and are still giving me a headache how you can do that as scum? I'm still waiting for him to reveal his grand master plan... I don't think we should look here for scum This leaves Koshi, yamato and slam. If TT flips scum i guess Slam is our scum. If TT flips something else we can look at the other 2. 2. Hapahauli 3. Grackaroni 4. Onegu 5. Dirkzor 6. Acrofales 7. ShoCkeyy 1.Iamperfection 8. Alakaslam 9. Tictock 10. Koshi 11. Raynpelikoneet 12. Yamato77 I don't think scum would KP TT. Seems weird. So did scum not KP (again) this night? Shockey did you block again? Or what am i missing | ||
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On November 02 2020 21:56 Koshi wrote: Dirkzor also Question: Do you have to be alive for the good thing to happen? Yes. it will be sent to me. Also i see now that Hapa shot TT. So scum didn't kill again. (or hapa is scum, but i don't believe he is) | ||
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On November 02 2020 22:07 Koshi wrote: 3 mafia in a mini. 6 players in a group. More than half equals 4. So 3 could easily be in 1 group. You may not, through the use of this power, knowingly cause there to be a thread in which the members of Aperture Science is equal to or greater than the number of town in that thread. | ||
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I'm sorry for my outburst earlier then. I was just tired of people not really even trying. Ok yamato now we can talk: Did you do any action this night? Did someone do an action against you? | ||
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I dont mind voting for rayn but i want to agree on who we want to lynch first anyway. Also this fell out while looking at other stuff: On November 02 2020 10:41 Grackaroni wrote: Onegu/I both voted for Acro. Why would Acro being town change your thoughts? Wouldn't it be if Acro was mafia? | ||
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On November 02 2020 23:20 iamperfection wrote: its ok for me to role hunt it aint ok for you. why you do that? What? | ||
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On November 02 2020 23:15 yamato77 wrote: -eats carrot- -poops- I think thats a no on both fronts but i'm not really sure. What im getting is that corruption level increase made it so that yamato can only write this way. Not anyone elses ability. I will check when he started to talk like dog.... | ||
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No, but i dont understand anyway. I'm trying to figure shit out just like you and you attack me. | ||
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On November 03 2020 00:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: Cause Acro was getting voted out anyways. And my role isn’t very big if I get roleblocked like I did last night. It was a hidden vote. How would you know if acro was voted or not? | ||
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On November 03 2020 00:19 Koshi wrote: One could also wonder how he knows he is being roleblocked except if it is notified. Or he protected TTTTT. But your question is fine as well. Hapa was roleblocked the first night and was notified i believe. But the missing KP does raise questions. Shockeys claim explained the missing KP the first night. But him being roleblocked this night does not explain away anything. There should be a kill this night. | ||
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On November 03 2020 00:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: People literally posted who they were voting for... even you. Yes we did that. But you didn't know how the votes went. We would have had the same issue the other thread had now if someone had fucked up. So the best town thing was to consolidate and make sure we got the lunch. | ||
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On November 03 2020 01:43 Onegu wrote: Also no idea why we aren't looking at people who were in the other thread. Unless shockky/ IAMp are red there is a scum there 100%. Also since 12 players and we are assuming to believe hapas 3p claim there are normally going to be 3 scum in a game like this. So if we assume 3 scum there is only a 50% chance there is another in the group who stayed in this thread... And 100% there is at least 1 and 50% there is more... I think I've been over this... it was really a good post of mine. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 31 2020 02:53 ShoCkeyy wrote: I didn't go to the database. What I find even more odd is the fact that Acro says this: Why the fuck should I not be here Acro??? DID YOU TRY TO SHOOT ME LAST NIGHT? On October 31 2020 02:58 Acrofales wrote: Okay, I think we lynch shockeyy. Strike 1: the "I'm too busy to play, but look, I'm posting" thing, and his little spat about what it means to be analytical. He prides himself on being analytical: But then he goes: This didn't blip on my first read through, as I think lamp is town too. But 100% is a bit much for early in the game. shockeyy claims to need *lots* of data to give any kind of read. And about 24 hours later, he claims Iamp is 100% town. An analytical townie should need more data. Shockeyy is *not* an analytical townie. Town sentiment at the time was trusting of lamp, so mafia just following town sentiment and shmoozing lamp is a safe move. Strike 2: lying and shmoozing. And then there's the weird lying about his role thingy. Not sure what that means, but it's another dose of lying, which is a third strike: you're out! ##vote shockeyy Oh, and I filtered onegu too. I have never read a filter more devoid of anything interesting. John Cage's 4"33 has more content than that filter. I'd like to lynch 2 people from this side of the game, but unfortunately I didn't get a triple lynch ability, so my vote is for shockeyy who is actually scummy rather than just a blank void. But he also pointed out Onegu. And then ended up voting for him. Havent looked at the other thread. | ||
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On November 03 2020 01:43 Onegu wrote: Also no idea why we aren't looking at people who were in the other thread. Unless shockky/ IAMp are red there is a scum there 100%. Also since 12 players and we are assuming to believe hapas 3p claim there are normally going to be 3 scum in a game like this. So if we assume 3 scum there is only a 50% chance there is another in the group who stayed in this thread... And 100% there is at least 1 and 50% there is more... I still think Onegu is scum. So i read this like Onegu and Acro bussed the hell out of eachother and now Onegu is trying to get us to lynch in the other grp since he is under suspicion. | ||
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So it isnt the planeteer thingy thats making the vote apparently. A vote for me is a vote for town! Dirkzor 2020 MLGA :D | ||
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My scum reads are still Onegu, Grack and Slam (prolly in that order) On November 02 2020 20:05 Onegu wrote: Ok Claim time. So my role has the same name as a role from the first aperture game. But isnt the same. So some form of anti claim mechanics are usually in a game like this so I wont give full info but someone who does the work can figure it out maybe I dont have full info and I am inferring alot fwiw based on my role currently and what the role was before. Someone picked up a gun that got sent to the other thread. I dont know if they got told they found a gun with a bullet and that is all or if it has powers. It may or may not work how they think. My role currently and why I am claiming now and not before. I am a vet. When I am shot I power up with something very strong for town that I have to sacrifice myself. TBH thinking on it I should have claimed this right away but I wanted to get shot, I know scum will never shoot me so I needed a vigi to and if I claimed sooner I didnt think they would trust my claim or think I am lying. Claiming now maybe someone sees it, believes me and shoots me. I am kinda hoping someone who wouldnt trust me has already shot me and wont see this. Onegus claim just doesnt add up. And besides his claim i don't see any effort. His claim is this + Show Spoiler + Welcome to Aperture Mafia! You are the Godsend. If you die, you are revived at the start of the next day (This happens at most one times). At any point after this, you my sacrifice your soul to prevent all deaths that day/night cycle by typing ##Self-Sacrifice. Sacrificing yourself will send the game immediately to night, skipping the lynch. The town will not be told that deaths will be prevented. You win with the town. | ||
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On November 03 2020 22:57 yamato77 wrote: -poops- -poops- -poops- -poops- -poops- -poops- -poops- I agree this was bad. I posted the same thing earlier. He also forgot to add that with Acro flip we have way more info in the main thread compared to off-thread. He also happens to be in the main thread and pointing we should lynch in off-thread | ||
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On November 03 2020 09:38 Alakaslam wrote: “I know, I’ll vote for the dude who says I should be lynched!” Obviously I can’t vote you. Anyway. Now that I am back at my teaching job and life is cool. Iamp is lock town. Hapa is more questionable than he was. Onegu is general onegu which is similar to myself. Not a lot of time to play so low quality play in general. Makes it easier for scum to hide. If Iamp hadn’t been so quick to jump down my throat, his statements on Onegu would sway me. Yama is clearly town. My read on Koshi largely depends on how TT flips. Rayn is obvious town to me. Grackaroni is way in the background. Scum lean. ShoCkeyy is too complex for me to disbelieve right now. Kill him if he lasts long. Dirkzor is town IMO. | ||
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I'll lynch whoever town agrees on, and if we cant agree i'll lynch Onegu. | ||
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On November 04 2020 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: i agree that i probably look like shit after this, but i want to kill hapa because he is not being honest. most of the people may not see it. it's okay, i dont even think we NEED to kill hapa. i want all the town win and not some smuggy 3p's who are shit. hapa is a smuggy 3p and we are in a good position to have 1 mafia dead and no towns so far. call me scummy for trying to sway the lynch away from mafia idc. another thing is that i wanna see TT flip before i decide if to lynch slam or not, and hapa being very not town gave me a chance to try. Then lets lynch onegu. I think this game is very much solved and over (at least town vs. mafia - 3p might be another issue that i cant figure out atm) I think rayn have this feeling too and is worried he is being screwed over getting paranoid | ||
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On November 04 2020 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: hi do you need hapa dead in order to win? Well, maybe. I need town win to win. So that depends on Hapa's win con i guess. I just don't happen to agree with you. I don't know what hapa is up to. Be i have had a solid town read on him all game (despite his claim). He thinks like i do and does what i do/want to do. But im fealing super confident about Onegu/Slam that i think, for now, its a non issue and will only muddy the water by dragging town through it. | ||
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On November 02 2020 22:01 Dirkzor wrote: Okay seems like all flips are delayed 1 phase. Acro being scum is nice. We also learned he controlled the groups. He choose to make them 1-6 7-12. ended up a bit different due to shockeys ability. This gives us some info. There can maximum me one more scum in 2-7. There can maximum be 2 scum on 1+8-12. (see below) It also saids there are maximum 4 scum (in acrofales team, tho i doubt there are 2 scum teams at this point) I now firmly believe that shockeys claim was true. He is town. I have had a town read on Hapa most of the game (despite his claim). He does and think the same way i do. So i think we can find scum in Grack or Onegu. To be honest it could be either. I've had scum read on grack most of this game. His stupid town move did gave me pause. Onegu i explained before. In the 1+8-12 it isnt as clear cut for me. After TickTocs flip we will know more. Iamp have been acting protown the whole game. Don't think we will find scum here. Him not being dead does give me some doubts tho. Rayn is a bit of a rollercoaster for me. His posting is quite town but his claims have been all over and are still giving me a headache how you can do that as scum? I'm still waiting for him to reveal his grand master plan... I don't think we should look here for scum This leaves Koshi, yamato and slam. If TT flips scum i guess Slam is our scum. If TT flips something else we can look at the other 2. 2. Hapahauli 3. Grackaroni 4. Onegu 5. Dirkzor 6. Acrofales 7. ShoCkeyy 1.Iamperfection 8. Alakaslam 9. Tictock 10. Koshi 11. Raynpelikoneet 12. Yamato77 I don't think scum would KP TT. Seems weird. So did scum not KP (again) this night? Shockey did you block again? Or what am i missing Reading, have you tried it? | ||
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On November 04 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote: imagine voting mafia as mayor  can we not vote on mayor?Shockey, you want to move back as a scumread. You think both me, Yamato and Hapa is scum? How in any world does that fit in anything? | ||
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But you can have one or the other: Which to do you find the most scum hapa or iamp? Or is it hapa 3p and iamp scum? | ||
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It CANNOT have been a acro/iamp/hapa scum team. The limitation is in acro's role. And also the whole RB thing with hapa also doesnt make sense. All RB are accounted for and hapa assumed the RB came from mafia team - just as you assume RB comes from mafia. | ||
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On November 04 2020 17:34 Koshi wrote: So basically he claims he can undo busdriving abilities? Which make you wonder if there are 2 busdrivers in this game. Or can he also undo things like protection or a copcheck etc? Probably not. Don't understand how it for some people is so hard to explain their role. All the claims are so weird this game. | ||
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On November 04 2020 07:02 yamato77 wrote: -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot- -eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot--eats carrot- ... | ||
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What i want is for everoyne who claimed to make a new post that clearly states what powers/ability you claim, when you used them and on who. Im not asking for you to claim anymore than you already have, but you guys claim over 3-10 posts its not very easy to follow. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 30 2020 15:01 ShoCkeyy wrote: I disliked the fact that he waited till almost last minute to bring it up instead of talking about it earlier. I get it I guess, but this also means I should just bring up my role and say fuck it. I’ve got insurance to sell baby. On October 30 2020 15:01 ShoCkeyy wrote: I disliked the fact that he waited till almost last minute to bring it up instead of talking about it earlier. I get it I guess, but this also means I should just bring up my role and say fuck it. I’ve got insurance to sell baby. On October 31 2020 03:02 ShoCkeyy wrote: I didn't fake claim btw, my role is just more than protection FYI. Thanks for straight up letting me know you're mafia On October 31 2020 03:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: I already answered 1) No, I didn't because then I'd have to give up my action, which I was just baiting, however, the bigger trap was revealing my actual role, which is An Insurance Commercial. I give protection to those who are willing to pay, but there's more to it that I'm not willing to reveal. But by revealing I'm the protector, it forced mafia KP on me, which obviously backfired and Acro is trying to now claim I'm mafia when he was surprised I didn't die On October 31 2020 03:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: Ok so I protected iamperfection, and him and I did switch spots, my role also redirects actions. However, the no kill can either be mafia held their shot (idk if they can do this, I'll re-read the op), or they shot me and I didn't die cause I can't die due to the power of insurance. On October 31 2020 03:58 ShoCkeyy wrote: Why is that a problem? It completely makes sense that I can do so. I'm the all powerful insurance of USA. And yes, if they shoot the person I'm protecting, I'll get shot... That's obvious from my claim, and how iamperfection and I switched places. Hmmm.... I personally thought you claim post was good, but you know, after seeing that KP get stronger for mafia, and you willing to increase corruption points, I'm starting to think you're mafia. Slams claim: + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2020 10:18 Alakaslam wrote: I am the potato glados. Corruption helps me get info. I was probably an insurance against mafia advancing corruption too quickly early on as I get info and powers at 3 and 5. Because before wheatley, I WAS aperture science. I’ll read my PM better. My role is more or less useless but why waste the lynch or time on me, especially if the last player is strong (which I am starting to think is the case) and I can at least get info or force them to shoot me instead of a stronger player. On November 04 2020 15:34 Alakaslam wrote: Ok may as well hash it out. I can undo ShoCkeyy’s role. Fortunately I targetted Hapa n0. No one tried to redirect anything from him, or I am the reason he was RB despite whoever else can redirect things. Once I knew what ShoCkeyy was doing I did not use my power. Let me read it again and explain what it does. It gets better with corruption but I feel like it is a swing-balance-damage-control role. On November 04 2020 15:35 Alakaslam wrote: So I am a potato. From portal 2 you can gather I am glados because my role mentions sarcasm functions. On November 04 2020 15:37 Alakaslam wrote: Each night I can “sap power” from another player. Any attempts to redirect actions targeting that player will fail as 1.1 volts is only enough power for sarcasm core functions. But at 3 and 5 corruption, I can sap more power from the database and gain further abilities. On November 04 2020 15:40 Alakaslam wrote: I am mot told what they are. I also can visit without messing with the corruption counter but considering watchers and the like, I decided not to N0 and then it became clear that doing so was not gonna be worth it period. Having outed the role though, I should probably start. I can act as an info cop of sorts until I am Offed? Koshi reminds me nobody has died. Why all the drama then? I dont have time to find more claims. But these 2 was the hardest for me to follow. Will find more later if i have time. This is just for future reference btw and im not going anywhere with this. | ||
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On November 04 2020 18:30 Onegu wrote: and going on n0 was always worth... more so if he doesnt affect corruption... WTF this makes 0 sense to me... From OP: Because your connection to the database is unencrypted, Aperture Science will learn who you have targeted, but not the information you obtain. Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways. | ||
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On November 04 2020 20:22 Koshi wrote: Well. If you believe it is a dumbtell. It is more likely town dumbtells at this stage because unless he doesn't visit scumQT somebody in his team must have mentioned it. And I assume hosts post the names of the visits in the scumQT etc Ah i see your point now. Hmm... hadnt thought of that. | ||
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I went over TT's filter. He was bussing Acro hard from Day 1. His strongest scum read. After Acro died and didnt flip he attacked Slam for his non-vote. To be fair he also suspected me and a bit grack D0. But never called us directly scum as he did acro. Is this a trend for tictock? Bus his teammates hard? On October 30 2020 14:10 Tictock wrote: As for general reads; Slam, Onegu, Sho, and Grack are all pretty unreadable to me right now. Iam, Happa, and Yamato all feel pretty town to me. Mostly just tonal and they are consistently being constructive and bringing intresting stuff to the table. Rayn is all over the place. I would need to do actual legwork but he started off the game wanting everybody to claim and seemed focused on a planning how to approach the database. He tore into Happa's claim, but unless I missed it didn't react to dirk's claim at all. Then he suddenly wants to go check the corruption when before he had stated he wanted to send scum reads, and I think he went back to that recently as well. Ever since I got confused, thinking he ended the phase early, I've been going back and forth about rayn in my head. Acro is still probably scum. Nothing he has posted has stood out to me, can't think of anything he has stated or done while writing this and have no sense of where he is at with the game. Granted I could say the same for Grack and a few other people as well, but I think Acro has been posting much more consistently. I feel like I'm missing something but this is more or less where I am at with the game right now. On November 02 2020 19:15 Tictock wrote: Acro didn't actually flip ontop of the rest of the shit happening in the past day? Slam reads like caught scum and apparently voted to save me. What have I come back to? On November 02 2020 19:56 Tictock wrote: Not even finishing this phase tonight, I tried Slam seeming awkward at start of phase is all that really jumps out to me, and not like he is having fun being awkward. | ||
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I was hoping everyone would have forgot about the timer but SOMEONE keeps bringing it up | ||
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Anyway... what if mafia doesnt actually have a KP and grack scum slipped here. There havent been a KP yet so it kinda fits. And yes shockey n0 move could explain n0 but n1 isnt explained yet and i havent found a reason for scum to hold their NK. I know its a random bomb to throw but whatever. | ||
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It didnt feel like lurker afk to me what TT did. More like just RL stuff afk. | ||
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On November 05 2020 04:45 Hapahauli wrote: That all said, I think that the "thread B confirmed town" theory is out of the window. That also said, I think TT's filter makes Slam and Koshi look good. TT returns after Acro is dead, knows Acro will flip mafia, and immediately throws shade on Slam and Koshi: ... it does not seem likely for TT to respond to Acro's lynch (and knowing that he would flip red) by immediately throwing shade on another scumbuddy. I see this going either way. TT knew he was close to being lynched. So assuming he was the next lynch or maybe even vig (as happened) he wanted to throw the last bit of bus on his last mate. But your theory is equally valid. So i wouldnt put much stock in it. | ||
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On November 05 2020 05:07 Hapahauli wrote: Consider this: if TT had survived the night and Acro flipped red, how do you think TT would have looked? Because he hard bussed Acro all of Day/Night 0. I don't think this was done unintentionally. He would have looked exactly the same is what i think. I wouldn't have thought his 2½ remarks on acro as indicative of anything. I'm not really sure what you think would have happened so you're welcome to explain. All im trying to say here is that I think you are overthinking parts of your analysis atm. | ||
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On November 05 2020 05:27 Hapahauli wrote: Reading through TT's Day 0 / Night 0 filter is striking, because as admittedly inactive as he was, he was the first player to call Acro suspicious, and was consistent with it throughout the cycle. When you think about the mafia roles this game: 1) Acro activated his ability on N0 2) TT seemingly activated his ability sometime on D1 (hence the noflips on D1/N1). This all looks like a planned and coordinated play by mafia, that was probably blown up by TT afk'ing unexpectedly. I think part of that play was setting up for TT to bus Acro hard and claim cred. I'm not saying this might can't be the truth. It just seems to well planned for a mafia team with 1 guy mostly AFK (D0/n0 maybe because he was in scum QT tho). The few times i've been mafia, the plan never ever gets fully planned and people do stuff left and right. I just won't give credit to a team that have failed this badly up until this point to have made this well thought out plan (despite it failing) But to be fair i havent really done my homework here with filterdiving and re-reading like i usually do. Been a long day for me .. | ||
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Am i doing it right? So we should send 1-2. Yeah grack and slam is fine if my math is correct. | ||
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Acro decides to use his power in a way that portrait him as town. His solution is to split the thread by the playerlist. So we can assume 1-6 has 0-1 mafia left and 7-12 has 0-1 mafia left (if we think there is 3 scum total. With its 1 in group for certain) Shockey busdriving iamp does complicate it a bit, but not much. If shockey is scum (i dont think so) you rearrange the groups like they ended up 2-7 and 1+8-12, with 0-1 scum in each. But is shockey isnt scum (he most likely isnt) you need to factor in Iamp original position and use 1-6 and 7-12 and not how they actually ended up. I also can't really see all these confirmed town you keep throwing around. Only Onegu is really comfirmed. In a setup this complicated everything can be turned around at some point. Again TT not using his power is a very hard read to make. He wasnt there at all. Maybe the original plan was for him to use it, but he was a a no show, or maybe it was never the plan since he was alone scum in off thread and Acro+1 was meant to get someone else lynched. | ||
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On November 05 2020 17:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: We know that roleblock happened N0. From mafia TT went to database, Acrofales couldnt have gone because otherwise he couldnt have used his role. TT went confirmed because 4 people went and corruption went up. So everyone who said they went actually went. TT is not a eoleblocker, so because of the corruption going up yamato, iamp (and onegu) cannot be mafia roleblocker either. Unless you want to claim either 2 mafia teams or that mafia doesnt have a roleblocker... This was clever! I like it. But we can't have 3p roleblocker? Or 4p scum team? Or some other power we can't think off since we arent greymist. I just don't want to close a door completely shut. | ||
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So whatever happens to me this night (I assume I'm dead) lynch iamp. He might be 3p, i don't know. I think he is 3p myself. But he isn't town like Onegu. I'm checking slam this night and will inform of my check if able. I might have won the game or I am dead. So probably wont be able to either way. It was fun playing with you all =) | ||
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On November 07 2020 03:52 Koshi wrote: Dirk I am sry if I made you lose 🤣. Truly did it with best intentions. Was going to save you anyway but thought it would be ideal to also block mafia kp but didnt account for a piercing shot. On the other hand, you did lie and didnt trust town to bring this home, also you raised the corruption and made it piercing. Hahaha awesome! Basicly I think Rayn got me killed. If he had just done what he said he would do and not visit database on N2 i wouldnt have been dead =) GG all. Was a fun game to get back to Mafia with. Been yeeeears since i last played. I thinki did decently regardless. My claim and action D0 was mostly "I'm bored - lets do shit" Ended up enjoying the thrill of getting closer and closer to the deadline. Btw if slam was killed D2 by Yamato when he was mayor instead of Onegu, i would also have won i think. So its also yamatos fault =) After i died i thought about my N2 play. I should have fully claimed with the reason that scum shouldnt kill me anyway since i would be gone soon and they might aswell shoot someone else. Hoping town didnt have any more KP. Was prolly a bigger gamble, but a fun one =) To sum up: It was not my fault i lost | ||
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On November 07 2020 04:04 ShoCkeyy wrote: I think I did good? Hah. I didn’t get lynched which is usually the case. Was it deliberate that your first claim was so.... incoherent? I thought you were scum since your roles seemed way to OP. And the way you claimed was also "along the way" sorta claim. | ||
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On November 07 2020 04:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: Yea, I didn’t want mafia to catch on to what my entire role was. But why? If you just kept "insuring" someone they couldnt kill you. Only way you could die is by lynch or if a townie healed your target (which almost happened) Or am i missing something? | ||
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