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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
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November 03 2020 22:37 GMT
#1867
On November 04 2020 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:35 iamperfection wrote:
I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0 means hes presuming that mafia did it not that hes presuming he was role blocked at all

it's shockeyy


Exactly, it's a mee shockeyy
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 03 2020 22:40 GMT
#1870
On November 04 2020 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:35 iamperfection wrote:
I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0 means hes presuming that mafia did it not that hes presuming he was role blocked at all


I don't think town has a rb ability sadly. There's only been one roleblock a night. That throws your theory out the window.

explain?


Only one claim of rb per night has happened, and I doubt that town would have it unless mafia is actually stupid strong. But i just don't think town does have a rb, because I got rb second night, but that's it, one claim of rb per night can only mean there's only one roleblocker.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 03 2020 22:47 GMT
#1874
On November 04 2020 07:38 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:35 iamperfection wrote:
I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0 means hes presuming that mafia did it not that hes presuming he was role blocked at all


I don't think town has a rb ability sadly. There's only been one roleblock a night. That throws your theory out the window.

THEN HE WAS ROLEBLOCKED BY MAFIA


This can be explained if TT instead got rb n0. Looking at the post history, it's quite possible TT didn't even read Hapa's rb claim. Day1 post was at 700, TT enters thread past 1000. That's far fetched, but that's the closest I've gotten to explaining it.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 03 2020 22:49 GMT
#1876
On November 04 2020 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:35 iamperfection wrote:
I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0 means hes presuming that mafia did it not that hes presuming he was role blocked at all


I don't think town has a rb ability sadly. There's only been one roleblock a night. That throws your theory out the window.

explain?


Only one claim of rb per night has happened, and I doubt that town would have it unless mafia is actually stupid strong. But i just don't think town does have a rb, because I got rb second night, but that's it, one claim of rb per night can only mean there's only one roleblocker.

why does that throw the theory out of the window?


Cause if there's two rb, wouldn't two people be able to claim at the same time? It's possible some one else isn't claiming their rb, but seeing as how strong town roles are, i think mafia would have the only RB ability.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 03 2020 23:02 GMT
#1885
On November 04 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 03 2020 23:09 GMT
#1889
On November 04 2020 08:07 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.

How did Hapa killing TTTTT further mafia agenda?


On November 04 2020 07:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 07:38 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:35 iamperfection wrote:
I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0 means hes presuming that mafia did it not that hes presuming he was role blocked at all


I don't think town has a rb ability sadly. There's only been one roleblock a night. That throws your theory out the window.

THEN HE WAS ROLEBLOCKED BY MAFIA


This can be explained if TT instead got rb n0. Looking at the post history, it's quite possible TT didn't even read Hapa's rb claim. Day1 post was at 700, TT enters thread past 1000. That's far fetched, but that's the closest I've gotten to explaining it.


My only other thought is that mafia "RB" themselves on purpose if TT wasn't actually rb. These are just my hypotheticals on how Hapa could possibly be mafia.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 03 2020 23:21 GMT
#1891
On November 04 2020 08:19 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 08:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 08:07 Koshi wrote:
On November 04 2020 08:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

This is all nothing but what i said. Literally nothing else than what i said before, hapa just +1'd me. NOTHING. NOT A SINGLE THING.
if you take out the below, which is completely role-related:
The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

he was roleblocked, seemingly by mafia. Okay what else?
Analysis of how he was rb'd by mafia and what it means. super deep lengths? okay you may say that, how is that deeper than my analysis when i dont know what he does?

in the end he wants to take acro's words by face value, i do too, to some point, iamp DOES NOT, but still hapa went to different lengths in analysis than i did. What the fuck man?

i stand by this. good night for real now


We definitely know that iamperfection and I were switched, and Acro really was upset about it. That could mean he wanted to stack three mafia in group one if iamperfection is mafia, if it was 4 mafia vs 2 town, that's not likely, but a 3v3 is more likely, since they would only need one vote to have majority. However, that didn't happen and that may have forced hapa to vote Acro for town cred.

How did Hapa killing TTTTT further mafia agenda?


On November 04 2020 07:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:38 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 07:35 iamperfection wrote:
I presume I was RB’d by mafia N0 means hes presuming that mafia did it not that hes presuming he was role blocked at all


I don't think town has a rb ability sadly. There's only been one roleblock a night. That throws your theory out the window.

THEN HE WAS ROLEBLOCKED BY MAFIA


This can be explained if TT instead got rb n0. Looking at the post history, it's quite possible TT didn't even read Hapa's rb claim. Day1 post was at 700, TT enters thread past 1000. That's far fetched, but that's the closest I've gotten to explaining it.


My only other thought is that mafia "RB" themselves on purpose if TT wasn't actually rb. These are just my hypotheticals on how Hapa could possibly be mafia.

stop drinking the rayn koolaid


I mean, I immediately sussed out Acro.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 03 2020 23:22 GMT
#1893
On November 04 2020 08:21 Hapahauli wrote:
Can someone tell me if anything of value was accomplished in the last 20 pages of filter?


Yes.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 03 2020 23:54 GMT
#1899
I get it yamato. :p
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 03 2020 23:55 GMT
#1901
On November 04 2020 08:54 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 06:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 04 2020 05:52 iamperfection wrote:
you need to just embrace the chaos my friend.


What? as town you'd want to embrace peace. I'm curious why Acro was so upset by you and I switching as I think about it more.


Because would be really dumb for scum to claim it. I flip town time traveler it would focus attn on him. Scum wouldn't want to do this...

My problem with rayn is and I say this in the best possible way even though he is normally a asshole he is never obtuse and he is this game and it's bothering the crap out of me.


Did you read into the last few pages?
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 04 2020 00:52 GMT
#1912
I gotta do something while we wait on our election results + TT flip...
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 04 2020 01:17 GMT
#1917
Slam....... WHO'S MISSING FROM THOSE QUOTES?
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 04 2020 01:26 GMT
#1934
LOL IAMPERFECTION is the one missing... Yamato is included in the list post...
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 04 2020 02:14 GMT
#1951
On November 04 2020 11:00 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm probably not going to read this because I'm frantically f5ing a bunch of different election things.

Anything important I should know?


Wait until TT flip all honesty. It's kinda hard to read the current sentiment of the thread, but so far Slam, Hapa, Onegu, even yourself has been discussed as potential mafia.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 04 2020 07:33 GMT
#1965
On November 04 2020 15:34 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok may as well hash it out.

I can undo ShoCkeyy’s role. Fortunately I targetted Hapa n0. No one tried to redirect anything from him, or I am the reason he was RB despite whoever else can redirect things.

Once I knew what ShoCkeyy was doing I did not use my power.

Let me read it again and explain what it does. It gets better with corruption but I feel like it is a swing-balance-damage-control role.


Why would you want to “undo” protection?
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 04 2020 07:33 GMT
#1966
On November 04 2020 15:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Each night I can “sap power” from another player. Any attempts to redirect actions targeting that player will fail as 1.1 volts is only enough power for sarcasm core functions.

But at 3 and 5 corruption, I can sap more power from the database and gain further abilities.


Did you “sap” me last night?
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 04 2020 16:11 GMT
#2065
It doesn’t add up, I got rb n1, Hapa got rb N0 but not By mafia. So then who did mafia rb N0?
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 04 2020 17:22 GMT
#2073
On November 05 2020 01:59 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 01:26 Hapahauli wrote:
What do you mean? My assumption is that I was RB'd by mafia, since no townie has claimed responsibility, and given Acro's interactions with me regarding my KP.

I should have phrased that as a question for ShoCkkey

Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 01:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:
It doesn’t add up, I got rb n1, Hapa got rb N0 but not By mafia. So then who did mafia rb N0?



The only other assumption is that he got targeted by both mafia and slam.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 05 2020 13:55 GMT
#2222
I’m not mafia you ignorants... I literally can save people, that’s my role... I’m pro town and been pro town. I targeted Hapa last night with my role.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 05 2020 13:57 GMT
#2227
Dirk literally claims iamp and onegu aren’t the same role, and some how Koshi and Hapa are saying dirk checked me... can you guys read?
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