EPTtwice he have called my claim sus without really doing anything with it. Trying to build pressure without taking responsibility. And rest of posting are just sort of there.
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twice he have called my claim sus without really doing anything with it. Trying to build pressure without taking responsibility. And rest of posting are just sort of there. | ||
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On October 30 2020 10:53 iamperfection wrote: the named VT part seems strange too im pretty sure you always have a name in greymist games? Btw i never claimed VT. I also a night action. | ||
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On October 30 2020 16:33 yamato77 wrote: I personally think the best lynch tomorrow is Acro. Onegu and Grack I don't really expect much from as town, so it's a crapshoot to try to lynch them. I made my case on Acro and that has largely gone unresponded to so I stand by it. To be fair your buried your acro "case" in a the last paragraph in a very long post. I do think acro is also a but scummy, but not as much as grack. After reading his acros filter i stumbled upon one of his very first posts: On October 28 2020 20:16 Acrofales wrote: Koshi, Dirkzor. Where are you? Rayn? You scum? Why ask to Koshi? He have posted once and that was his /in. No reason to think he was here. Myself and ray had just posted before game start so make sense... but not Koshi. | ||
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Rayn claiming to know Shockey is town to only recind that later as part of a master plan Shockeys claim to be the best to visit the database only to claim later to be doc. I would rate being able to save someone higher than some random hint. Even if the chance is quite low to actually save someone this early. Hapa's claim to be town but having a 3rd win con that may or may not align with town - and also dont worry i will play only for town. (add my own claim if you want) Of the 3 claims i sort of understand hapa's (and my own ofc). But the other 2 are so weird in their claim and execution i have no words to describe it. But since i cant see it helping town i assume they must be scum. Am i overthinking these role claims or are you also thinking this? | ||
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Corruption counter lvl 1 made this a hidden vote. So not great for us, but not the end of the world. I will assume lvl 3 and 5 gives similar obstacles for us (prolly more severe). @acrofales: Explain your action. what exactly could you control and what couldnt you control? Why do you assume there is a mafia in each group? @hapa: You went to the database but got roleblocked, correct? @who else visited the database and what did you discover? (goes to people in the other thread too!) For future reference: Players in this group D1: 2. Hapahauli 3. Grackaroni 4. Onegu 5. Dirkzor 6. Acrofales 7. ShoCkeyy | ||
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I think we should lynch Grack. | ||
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 It should be obvious to post all votes clearly in the thread at the same time as sending the PM (im not against voting in thread and sending PM later just as long as its clearly written its a thread only vote or something) From a claims stand point these 5 have no claimed: Rayn (town with some ability with a ring - see planeteers maybe? (earlier claimed some shit that turned out to be a lie)) Hapa (Town with 3p wincon) Acrofales (Now VT town, former threadsplitter) Onegu (VT who lost an item and will then become blue) Shockey (Claim to best to go to database, then later claimed Doc) Myself (Town with a count down with but at a cost) Am i forgetting anyone? I cant keep track anymore. I dont know where im going with this actually... Anyway ##Vote Grackaroni (thread only for now) Lets see if we can lure him out with something. | ||
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On October 31 2020 03:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: Ok so I protected iamperfection, and him and I did switch spots, my role also redirects actions. However, the no kill can either be mafia held their shot (idk if they can do this, I'll re-read the op), or they shot me and I didn't die cause I can't die due to the power of insurance. Wait what? Your role protects and redirect. Makes no sense really. If someone shoots the one you protected they would shoot you. You are claiming you can protect self and target and also bus drive? Seems super convoluted. Anyway i think we lynch acro or shockey now. Im leaning acro for now but im at dinner with friend and only glanced quickly. Well check again to tomrrow. | ||
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Had some wine. Going to bed. Can you explain how you got to this? Not voting shockey and then onegu instead? | ||
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Ive read your interaction where you call eachother scum. To be honest i dont understand either of your perspectives. Can you guys explain it like im 5? It also seems like you have both backed off. Why? | ||
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On October 31 2020 15:07 ShoCkeyy wrote: Slam, no one has claimed super op roles, other than what may be Dirk, and it's hard to trust dirk with the +1 corrupt and asking for 3+ people to visit. I only asked for 4 people in the beginning, which was me reading op wrong. I changed that. I later suggested 1-2 and called people idiots for suggesting the everyone went. If i compare my ability with yours shock, i find yours super OP. What the downside? And to make it absolutely clear: you are busdriving vet? So protection is a one off? | ||
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Thats not explaining it like im 5 and i still dont get it. Please elaborate. | ||
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I initially thought that either shock or acro needed to be scum after their little shouting match. I no longer think so. But that doesn't make them both town either. Acrofales ability to split the game in 2 can be either town or scum. So i wont make my read of that. Shockeys ability does seem like a town ability. But that sonly if the claim is true. What if scum witheld their KP to claim what they did (hence making shockeys scum). I dont think mafia knew what the corruption counter would do. I think thats the unknown for both (all?) sides. If acrofales was scum it would benefit him to use his split ability the day we had hidden votes. But as i said i think it is a coincidence. I still think grack is out best lynch followed by onegu at this point. Hopefully i get around to make a real case on grack later. For now lets just say he havent done anything. He promised a filterdive that never came. He pushes only a little bit but never for reals (my claim and also in the shocks/acro case). His post with colors is just soo over the top to me. @other thread: you going to no lynch or what is the plan? What are your thoughts on grack as a lynch here? | ||
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Maybe just lynch onegu for not even trying. And same goes with tictoc/koshi in the other thread. One of the 3 lurkers are bound to be scum. | ||
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Lurker gets lynched. ##vote onegu (thread only for now) | ||
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On November 01 2020 01:09 Grackaroni wrote: Started reading from the top of the game. In the first 10 pages I actually think Acro comes off as townier than anyone. I got overexcited that he'd be scum because I saw Koshi/Rayn bashing on him in the other thread and Hapa pushing him in this one but I think he actually looks townier than Rayn so far. 2nd option to me still seems exceedingly obvious to me. From the start of the game Dirkzor talks about how he wants to check what raising the corruption counter will do and then he raises it by himself anyway mid-day. I would not do that as town in return for what he calls a hint in 5 phases. Whatever he's getting from doing it is empowering himself to achieve his own win condition. I'm quite confident about that. Have you had an origional thought of your own this game? | ||
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Even me talking about corruption counter at the beginning have been mentioned before. Im not upset you don't believe me claim. To be honest of im surprised more havent been critical. Im mad because it seems like your not even trying. I want you to do better. | ||
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On November 01 2020 03:57 Grackaroni wrote: There's no reason why Koshi would never ever be mafia in this game. What does this even mean? its mean absolutely nothing. No one in this game would never ever be mafia. (beside oneself). This is what i mean. You don't try enough. Its just so much nonsense (most of the time). On November 01 2020 01:58 Grackaroni wrote: I had to take a detour to read the wall of Grack. Your push on me seems to have started when I called out your claim to begin with, and now when I mention it again you're complaining that it's unoriginal and people have already talked about it lol. I understand why people are null/scum on me for not contributing but then you start coloring people as scum by association with me. What kind of response did you expect people to give about me. I could do more to try to lynch you. From what I recall from the thread I was the one that gave your claim the most trouble. I think Koshi thought it was non-town as well in the other thread but that came later. I hope you get to that case on me Dirkzor because I want you to be better. We wouldn't want somebody trying to build pressure for a lynch without taking responsibility. @other thread. Could you give me some reasons for lynching Dirkzor? This is so much bull. You can't use my word and turn them around. Thats not how this works. You didnt give my claim trouble. You posted 2 times: one that i was 3rd party with my own agenda and what can be summed down to "hmm" with fancy colors. Thats not giving me trouble. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2020 01:25 Grackaroni wrote: We could theoretically. It might make sense if we think Mafia have better actions than town but it's kind of hard to check who actually goes from the options available. Maybe you could make everybody visit the person above/below them and check whether they have a role that was in a previous aperture game. With that option I think you could at least potentially catch some people lying. On October 30 2020 10:16 Grackaroni wrote: I don't know why people would trust the Dirkzor claim. Press the SPACE TIME DESTABILIZATION in thread to get a powerful ability in 5 phases times. Also you return 3rd party/non-town to checks. hmmm.... I will give my shockey/grack moment was a bit of an overreach. But i wanted to see what came of it. But, as i wrote in a separate post, your whole: "I dont know mafia KP mechanics" sorta gives you a saving grace for now. I don't think mafia would fake not knowing their own abilities. | ||
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##Vote Acrofales (sent to hosts) Will be back tomorrow before lynch to consolidate... We need a clear lynch with clear votes in thread!! That way if we have 2 (or more) mafia in thread they can't change the vote with the hidden mechanic. I will consolidate on most everyone just for this reason. | ||
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On November 01 2020 07:46 Hapahauli wrote: I am still voting Acro. By my count, we have four votes on Acro: Myself, Grack, Dirk Acro is voting Onegu. We do not have positions from Onegu or Shockeyy (although, Shockeyy seemingly thinks Acro is mafia). Thats some impressive counting skills there... We need shocks on acro to get the 4 we need. Onegu is mia so dont count on him. | ||
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