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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 06 2020 20:30 GMT
#2601
Like i dont know what was the thing in the other thread but i am sure every townie in our thread knew at least 95% Acro is gonna flip mafia.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 06 2020 20:31 GMT
#2602
Couple with the fact that you know me, and can see pretty easily when I am lying (plus your general ability to detect lies which is already strong) if you’d (rayn) been protecc at all I would still have lost.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 06 2020 20:32 GMT
#2603
On November 07 2020 05:30 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 07 2020 05:20 Alakaslam wrote:
Also most of my shitting up the thread was like 80% true at least and often 100% true; I can’t remember thread sentiment for jack shit as either alignmnet if life sucks, and it does right now (aside from the incoming kid and time spent with the lady)

Well i think you made yourself look good to at least some people. The problem is that when Acro flipped shockeyy confirmed himself like 100% and confirmed Koshi (which we ofc didn't know at the time). Had you shot shockeyy that would not change (i assume?). But still, shockeyy was the only person close to being confirmed, aside from iamp and yamato (after N1 -- when hapa claimed rb, iamp and yamato were basically clear). I dont really know what you should have done, with TT alive you can blame me or grack or onegu i guess. But then TT was not alive anymore, and regardless of why you didnt end up voting for him that looked terrible for you.

Exactly. Like I could have won this without Acro and TT if I didn’t change my vote but I’d probably have had to be clairvoyant to not. Remaining silent would have worked for a while, but I also would have increased the likelihood of scumslipping worse than I wound up doing and would not have dissuaded Hapa and Iamp at all which probably would have actually sped up my demise.

I dont think you could have tbh. Roles would have confirmed each other quick enough since you lost 2 dudes in first two cycles with no town dead.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-06 20:35:03
November 06 2020 20:32 GMT
#2604
On November 07 2020 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 05:30 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 07 2020 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 07 2020 05:20 Alakaslam wrote:
Also most of my shitting up the thread was like 80% true at least and often 100% true; I can’t remember thread sentiment for jack shit as either alignmnet if life sucks, and it does right now (aside from the incoming kid and time spent with the lady)

Well i think you made yourself look good to at least some people. The problem is that when Acro flipped shockeyy confirmed himself like 100% and confirmed Koshi (which we ofc didn't know at the time). Had you shot shockeyy that would not change (i assume?). But still, shockeyy was the only person close to being confirmed, aside from iamp and yamato (after N1 -- when hapa claimed rb, iamp and yamato were basically clear). I dont really know what you should have done, with TT alive you can blame me or grack or onegu i guess. But then TT was not alive anymore, and regardless of why you didnt end up voting for him that looked terrible for you.

Exactly. Like I could have won this without Acro and TT if I didn’t change my vote but I’d probably have had to be clairvoyant to not. Remaining silent would have worked for a while, but I also would have increased the likelihood of scumslipping worse than I wound up doing and would not have dissuaded Hapa and Iamp at all which probably would have actually sped up my demise.

I dont think you could have tbh. Roles would have confirmed each other quick enough since you lost 2 dudes in first two cycles with no town dead.

But I was foolin people man

Lotta leeway to do that with crazy game. Make people second guess confirmation and what not.

“Do you lack imagination? What if that role worked like this? Like have you considered that possible caveat? Can you really trust that just because he claims it?” While bullshitting with the power of GreYMisT wisdom like holy shit that fakeclaim was tailor made for not just the role, but for Slam in that role
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 06 2020 20:33 GMT
#2605
On November 07 2020 05:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Couple with the fact that you know me, and can see pretty easily when I am lying (plus your general ability to detect lies which is already strong) if you’d (rayn) been protecc at all I would still have lost.

I will tell you a secret. I can't tell when people are lying, especially in text. That's why i went to the database last night, it had to be one of you or Grack and 90% i think i catch the mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 06 2020 20:35 GMT
#2606
I probably say "you cant actually believe this if you are town" 10 times in a game and 9,8 i am wrong...
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 06 2020 20:35 GMT
#2607
On November 07 2020 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 05:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Couple with the fact that you know me, and can see pretty easily when I am lying (plus your general ability to detect lies which is already strong) if you’d (rayn) been protecc at all I would still have lost.

I will tell you a secret. I can't tell when people are lying, especially in text. That's why i went to the database last night, it had to be one of you or Grack and 90% i think i catch the mafia.

Ah

Yes then there it is. You had it in the bag
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 06 2020 20:37 GMT
#2608
Gee gee.

Thanks for hosting Grey!

Yamato's role was a work of art. That alone made the game worth playing.

Mixed feelings about my own play. I definitely lost the thread toward the end, and I'm pretty happy that Rayn made the database play that he did. Themed games are not my strongsuit.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9644 Posts
November 06 2020 20:37 GMT
#2609
On November 07 2020 05:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Gee gee.

Thanks for hosting Grey!

Yamato's role was a work of art. That alone made the game worth playing.

Mixed feelings about my own play. I definitely lost the thread toward the end, and I'm pretty happy that Rayn made the database play that he did. Themed games are not my strongsuit.

never trash dumb town tells again
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 06 2020 20:38 GMT
#2610
On November 07 2020 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 05:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Couple with the fact that you know me, and can see pretty easily when I am lying (plus your general ability to detect lies which is already strong) if you’d (rayn) been protecc at all I would still have lost.

I will tell you a secret. I can't tell when people are lying, especially in text. That's why i went to the database last night, it had to be one of you or Grack and 90% i think i catch the mafia.

Oh wait a minute. Communication fail on my part.

I am not calling you an FBI wizard. Like ESP and shit. I am saying you are good at like, hunting down a lie? Doing lateral stuff to test the words that have been spoken so you are pretty much saying what I was talking about.

But I didn’t know you already had that solid of info.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 06 2020 20:39 GMT
#2611
well truth to be told i thought it was you already, i just wanted a confirmation. You didn't vote for TT while posting a vote in thread. People can call "but why if he is scum yadda yadda" but it doesnt make it any less scummy. Grack was begging to get checked in database with "i am still doing nothing (N1)" which is a stupid lie if he is mafia, and there was the dumbtell that was like 80% true.

But i dont like to work with 80% or 90% if i can have 100%.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 06 2020 20:40 GMT
#2612
On November 07 2020 05:38 Alakaslam wrote:
I am not calling you an FBI wizard. Like ESP and shit. I am saying you are good at like, hunting down a lie? Doing lateral stuff to test the words that have been spoken so you are pretty much saying what I was talking about.

hahaha ^^ i just wrote the same thing didnt i?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 06 2020 20:40 GMT
#2613
On November 07 2020 05:38 Alakaslam wrote:
But I didn’t know you already had that solid of info.

well you would if you read the thread
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 06 2020 20:40 GMT
#2614
Hapa you were an excellent calming presence in the thread. I have your “dear Rayn” post as one of the MVP moments for how clear it is. Also your claim was well timed.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 06 2020 20:41 GMT
#2615
On November 07 2020 05:37 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 05:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Gee gee.

Thanks for hosting Grey!

Yamato's role was a work of art. That alone made the game worth playing.

Mixed feelings about my own play. I definitely lost the thread toward the end, and I'm pretty happy that Rayn made the database play that he did. Themed games are not my strongsuit.

never trash dumb town tells again


The dumb town tell was "correct" this game, but I still believe that it is a results-oriented way of looking at it. I used to factor more of those tells in my game, and I have seen them "faked" enough to know that they are not reliable.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 06 2020 20:42 GMT
#2616
I still claim i had the best reads because noone would have ever lynched or killed TT if it was not for me. Not even Hapa.
table for two on a tv tray
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 06 2020 20:47 GMT
#2617
On November 07 2020 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 05:38 Alakaslam wrote:
But I didn’t know you already had that solid of info.

well you would if you read the thread

Probably. I think I would have conceded sooner if I had been properly reading.

But ain’t nobody got the time for that
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 06 2020 20:48 GMT
#2618
On November 07 2020 05:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2020 05:37 iamperfection wrote:
On November 07 2020 05:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Gee gee.

Thanks for hosting Grey!

Yamato's role was a work of art. That alone made the game worth playing.

Mixed feelings about my own play. I definitely lost the thread toward the end, and I'm pretty happy that Rayn made the database play that he did. Themed games are not my strongsuit.

never trash dumb town tells again


The dumb town tell was "correct" this game, but I still believe that it is a results-oriented way of looking at it. I used to factor more of those tells in my game, and I have seen them "faked" enough to know that they are not reliable.

i agree
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 06 2020 20:49 GMT
#2619
Rayn, I wanted to wait until postgame, but I did want to apologize for this:

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/564724-aperture-mafia-4-episode-2?page=20#395

I'm legitimately not sure why I offended you, but I clearly did, so I am sorry.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 06 2020 20:50 GMT
#2620
On November 07 2020 05:47 Alakaslam wrote:
Probably. I think I would have conceded sooner if I had been properly reading.

But ain’t nobody got the time for that

This is kinda funny btw. Nothing towards you but still.
I afk'd for a day, i came back and could easily confirm almost everyone as not mafia in like 10 minutes. Does anyone actually read the game?
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